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Subject: What's that thing on Halo that will never exist?

Armor Lock vs. Top Speed, Approaching Ghost = Super Awesome!

Yes like, the weapons (human) are simple, the vehicles too, even the Frigates are possible, with centuries of dedication, some of the AAs also, sprint, evade, even the jet pack, but what's that awesome thing we will NEVER be able to recreate on real life?

On my personal opinion, Armor Lock. That thing is just Insane!

[Edited on 05.14.2011 9:41 PM PDT]

  • 05.14.2011 9:40 PM PDT
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Wait. You do realize we can evade now right now and even sprint too?

Also, you think that a Frigate is simple? Try building a Kilometer long ship with a fusion reactor and gigantic metal coils that need to be balanced, otherwise they would rip apart the ship.

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  • 05.14.2011 10:09 PM PDT

I assume we're talking only human stuff.

Orbital elevators.

Slip-space travel.

Smart artificial intelligence.

Hologram AA. It's most likely Covenant in origin, though (Heretics and Skirmishers use such holograms).




[Edited on 05.14.2011 10:26 PM PDT]

  • 05.14.2011 10:10 PM PDT
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Moa Riding.

And Armor Lock is somewhat possible in the future, but far inferior to AL in Reach.

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  • 05.14.2011 10:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
I assume we're talking only human stuff.

Orbital elevators.

Slip-space travel.

Smart artificial intelligence.

Hologram AA. It's most likely Covenant in origin, though (Heretics and Skirmishers use such holograms).



Orbital elevators are not far fetched at all. They've been discussed in legitimate scientific communities, of course not to be made in the immediate future.

  • 05.14.2011 10:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: spurkis
I assume we're talking only human stuff.

Orbital elevators.

Slip-space travel.

Smart artificial intelligence.

Hologram AA. It's most likely Covenant in origin, though (Heretics and Skirmishers use such holograms).



Orbital elevators are not far fetched at all. They've been discussed in legitimate scientific communities, of course not to be made in the immediate future.

Same goes with smart A.Is. They may not be formed by same principles but are still very possible.

Slipspace travel is on the fence. Maybe some day but maybe not in the same sense as in Halo.

Hologram is in the same category as slipspace. I came up with idea of trapping particles inside magnetic fields. With the same principle as electrons in this picture. Of course a hologram would need lots of magnetic fields to achieve shape of an object. But that's why it's in the far future.

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  • 05.14.2011 10:53 PM PDT

Even if an orbital elevator is theoretically possible, I think that when we hold the technology to build one, we're already advanced enough to get ships into space by rockets by relatively unexpensive means (i.e. better fuel, more optimal weight and size or other things). Maybe if we develop some seriously strong material in the future that can withstand factors like extreme wind, low temperatures, tidal force and so on. Not to mention the cable, which would need to be very, very long and powerful. In addition, I think the outcome of an accident would be too big for people wanting to invest in it.

Artifical constructs developing organic emotions and feelings without them being already programmed is veeery far-fetched.

A hologram is one thing, a Hologram is another. A TV-remote sized device able to project a walking hologram out of nowhere seems impossible to me. Maybe if a small ball was deployed each time activated, that rolled along the ground projecting the hologram.



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  • 05.15.2011 4:46 AM PDT

Moa burgers

  • 05.15.2011 5:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: spurkis
Even if an orbital elevator is theoretically possible, I think that when we hold the technology to build one, we're already advanced enough to get ships into space by rockets by relatively unexpensive means (i.e. better fuel, more optimal weight and size or other things). Maybe if we develop some seriously strong material in the future that can withstand factors like extreme wind, low temperatures, tidal force and so on. Not to mention the cable, which would need to be very, very long and powerful. In addition, I think the outcome of an accident would be too big for people wanting to invest in it.

Artifical constructs developing organic emotions and feelings without them being already programmed is veeery far-fetched.

A hologram is one thing, a Hologram is another. A TV-remote sized device able to project a walking hologram out of nowhere seems impossible to me. Maybe if a small ball was deployed each time activated, that rolled along the ground projecting the hologram.



[Edited on 05.15.2011 4:47 AM PDT]

We already have the extremely strong material which can withstand extreme forces: carbon nanotubes. They are over 300 times stronger than steel and much lighter. They are the perfect material to build space elevator. Space elevator is also the best way to get things to space as it has very small energy requirements compared to any fuel. I believe we have space elevators in next 100-150 years.

Everything is programmable. That's why it's possible to program AI that can develop it's own personality and feelings. This can be done by programming multiple (millions) algorithms that are able to combine, then they combine over time, with those algorithm you also have to create algorithms to control them and their combining. Much like human does while growing up. It's technically possible but requires processing power we don't have yet. But may have in under 200 years.

Hologram could technically be formed out of nowhere or at least make them look like they came out of nowhere. Again nanotechnology is the answer. A simple tank that contains millions of nano robots that create magnetic fields. They can also communicate with each other and the tank to form right shaped hologram. the biggest problem with this is those magnectic fields as I don't know how powerful they would need to be. There is a chance this kind of hologram will never exists as there is no use for a hologram that comes out of nowhere.

I know these may sound very far fetched but everyone of those ideas uses combinations of technologies that I know are possible. We are progressing at huge speed when it comes to technology. Optical memory is a good example of this: at the start of 21st century we only had optical memory devices with capacity of few gigabytes. In few years from now we will have ones with capacity of over six terabytes. That's 6,000 times more.

  • 05.15.2011 5:54 AM PDT

Posted by: dm8ns
Many will enter, only one will rise to the top and he might not even win....

I think that the one thing we will never see in the future is Artifical Gravity.

  • 05.15.2011 6:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nuke incoming
I think that the one thing we will never see in the future is Artifical Gravity.

Artificial gravity can be achieved by rotating objects and creating centrifugal force. You can imagine yourself standing on inner surface of a ring that rotates and even when you are upside down the centrifugal force is strong enough to keep you on the ring.

You probably meant artificial gravity that doesn't include rotating objects but I wanted to point that out. There is a chance to create a very dense object with high mass that creates gravity but we can't do that. We won't probably achieve that kind of things until few thousand years from now if we still exist.

  • 05.15.2011 6:43 AM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
I assume we're talking only human stuff.

Orbital elevators.

Slip-space travel.

Smart artificial intelligence.

Hologram AA. It's most likely Covenant in origin, though (Heretics and Skirmishers use such holograms).




Elevators and some form of FTL are scientifically possible. Not anything in the near future of course, but it could happen.

  • 05.15.2011 6:48 AM PDT

Needler...i mean come on, heat seeking needles that explode? would be sweet though

  • 05.15.2011 7:03 AM PDT

don't think there is so much reason for being pessimistic, as a species we humans are capable of anything, I have no doubts of that, we just need to quit the religious rubbish, fighting each-other over stupid 'my god is not your god...' and similar things. I would say I am against humans being religious and believe that our fate is in our own hands, not the hands of some 'ethereal' higher power, just a damned shame more people don't share this opinion!

artificial gravity, would say it is possible personally, since gravity like all forces we have encountered so far is quite clearly quantifiable and alterable, we can create quite complex magnetic fields in modern times, even though it is still quite a complicated force to get your head around. same sort of thing does with opposing gravity, to create anti-gravity devices, since again (and physics lecturer agrees) gravity will have an opposing anti-force, like all other things in the universe.

orbital elevators I would argue will be made in the future, since it will always be better than using something like chemical rockets, or plasma rockets. since the only thing an orbital elevator will require to lift objects is a stable, reliable source of power, with nuclear fusion just over the horizon that should be no worries. once we construct our first orbital elevator (probably equatorial) massed transport of raw materials into orbit will begin, the 'tether' station will grow from the small station it will start as, likely an orbital shipyard will appear. spinning sections for habitation using centrifugal forces will appear as the station grows, eventually large dedicated space craft will be built and begin out expansion into the cosmos, as our technological juggernaut progresses more and more, bigger more sophisticated ships will be built taking us further and further into space, a settlement (possibly research and mining) will be established on the moon, then Mars, then missions sent to places like Mercury in the search of raw materials (since Mercury should be rich in metals, due to how the solar system formed!), all of this will come from a single orbital elevator, that is how important I think it is that organisations quit the bull and just do it!

again, faster than light travel, according to my physics lecturer is likely possible, given time as long as we don't destroy ourselves or get wiped out by some grand natural disaster, we will discover how to do it! humans have an innate lust for knowledge, we are driven to better ourselves as a species and expand our horizons, you could say we are built, designed and programmed for this!

so to conclude I think that our destiny is their for us to reach out and take, we are a fledgling space-faring race, hell there is a great chance of humans becoming something incredible, there is nothing stopping us taking the universe by the balls and taking our place amongst the stars. there are in my opinion only three things holding us back, firstly religion (one of the most pointless things ever 'devised' in our short history!), secondly politics (how often has a US president said we are going to do this, do that, and then just let his words fade to nothing, humanity needs a leader not a puppet!) and thirdly fear, I think overall the vast majority of people are afraid of what will happen when we leave the confines of our beautiful, safe haven, Earth and take on the hardships the universe has to offer. history has taught me one thing, regardless of where, regardless of the climate, regardless of what is happening (ice age, huge volcanic events, massive storms and so on!) humans can endure, and we can prosper! so I for one thing that nothing is impossible, that we have no limits, no boundaries we cannot smash through, no reason the vast majority of technologies in the Halo Universe cannot become reality!

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
That's the right spirit. Actually that's what I have been saying since this thread started. It's nice to see another person with enough knowledge to know that almost everything is possible. :)

Unfortunately the biggest thing slowing down technological advancement is that we aren't wise enough to form an united humanity. Hopefully we will someday be.

  • 05.15.2011 7:17 AM PDT

+1 to that! don't worry though, it shall happen sooner or later, when faced with great adversity people come together to tackle greater problems. for example when Yellowstone Caldera goes up, and it will sometime without a doubt, we will need to stick together if we are to survive.

sort of annoying mind, how we have the technology to go to Mars right now, not in twenty years, not thirty years! the Moon is a stones throw away, should be funding exploration more, wars against each-other less! imagine what we could do right now, if half of the US defence budget was given to NASA for example?

once designed a Earth - Mars transport shuttle, using current level of technology for transporting bulk cargo to Mars, things like flat pack buildings and such! even had a rotating habitat so the crew could enjoy gravity whilst travelling the void, and a 'fallout shelter' in-case of large solar events so the crew could ride out solar storms. we can dream can't we...?

as far as going to Mars is concerned I think the wrong approach is being taken! we should send robotic machines, send them to dig on Mars, think the best place to live on Mars is under the surface as it would give you protection from the horrible surface conditions! thinking living in tunnels quite a way under the surface and having a couple of surface access points with stairs and/or elevators, also have a surface garage for driving round!

  • 05.15.2011 7:30 AM PDT

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youre all forgetting more's law. we are suspected to hit the limit in about 2020, or so i heard. ergo if we are EVER going to have A.I. it will be in about 2025.happy new year 2025 , holy -blam!--here comes cortana

  • 05.15.2011 8:03 AM PDT

Moore's law as in Moore from Intel? what does Moore's law have to do with it, since it is about the trend in transistor count in micro-processors...?

  • 05.15.2011 8:07 AM PDT


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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
That's the right spirit. Actually that's what I have been saying since this thread started. It's nice to see another person with enough knowledge to know that almost everything is possible. :)

Unfortunately the biggest thing slowing down technological advancement is that we aren't wise enough to form an united humanity. Hopefully we will someday be.


Agreed.

The only thing we as a species can't do are moa burgers ):

  • 05.15.2011 8:13 AM PDT

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I since, as someone above me stated, the only barrier for a.i is storage space . once we hit our limit it is make or break wheather or not we will be able to make an ai,even if is the size of a supercompouer

  • 05.15.2011 8:52 AM PDT

I see, storage is going nuts in recent times! Intel are about to make things more interesting by going into the third dimension with micro-processor design, having multi-layered circuitry is going to make fitting more transistors onto silicon much more space efficient! parallelism is the holy grail still, its pointless having more and more processing power without being able to utilise what you currently have, for example most of the time the majority of my processor in this current system sits doing nothing! so think it is programming that is the thing holding that aspect of technology back, rather than the hardware.

  • 05.15.2011 9:01 AM PDT

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I since, as someone above me stated, the only barrier for a.i is storage space . once we hit our limit it is make or break wheather or not we will be able to make an ai,even if is the size of a supercompouer

That's why we need to hollow out a moon of mars and fill it with processors.

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actually we are going away from silicone proccecors entirely soon. so scify theorys like using a persons brain etc are not that far off but basically we can go to the size of atom as far as theoretical storage goes, only problem is getting there. the 2020 date assumes we will not reach atom size

edit: even the halo fiction has trouble finding a way to create an a.i., it is beyond me wheather or not we can"scan" people's brains to make a.i . but if we hit proccesing power and a actual brain scan. it should not be far off.therefore our problem is just using our tech right and plus once we are at that point all our scify disscusion might not be imposable. our theorys here could actually overcome technological bArriers in real life@!


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  • 05.15.2011 9:07 AM PDT

not hardware that is the problem, software! the problem is we don't understand how to build an artificial intelligence, at least not one in a true sense of the world. we can program an artificial intelligence in a game to interact with their surroundings and what not, but that is still not a true intelligence in any definition of the word. you can throw all the processors, all the storage space in the world at it and will still not fix the primary problem of understanding.

also making an artificial intelligence has a lot of potential pit-falls with it, last thing we want is a sky-net style problem on our hands because an intelligence is given the ability to make decisions or else it isn't an intelligence!

Edit: any by going away from Silicon, I assume your referring to Graphene processors? using artificial diamond as a substrate instead of Silicon? sure that has its advantages, but doesn't alter the main problem of not knowing how to create a true artificial intelligence in the first place.

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  • 05.15.2011 9:15 AM PDT

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i know but in halo people scan brains, essentially simulating an actall brain. we do not nbeed to know how to make a real inelligence. just simulate ourselves.
edit: hell we can come close to simulating the UNIVERSE now, why cant we, with a little bit more knowlege of our brains,simulate them
P.S. A omputer program that reads DNA anyone?



poiny is we might have the awnser very soon

[Edited on 05.15.2011 9:23 AM PDT]

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