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Subject: What's that thing on Halo that will never exist?

true, the problem is do you think we should create artificial intelligence? I personally am in two minds about the prospect for some obvious reasons, we do not want to copy ourselves or else the possibility of bad things happening will grow hugely. last thing we want to do is make a computer copy of our own psyche, so much hatred, war and suffering is caused because of our thoughts!

scanning our brain won't be the answer, we still don't even know how or why our brain works! how we are 'alive' and 'sentient', so how can be begin to create artificial life based on our own brains without first truly understanding how it works, that cannot be a good idea. we are progressing more toward interactive computing, rather than artificial intelligence at the moment, where computers can listen to a question and answer it not by thinking but through stored information. in Star Trek for example, the computers aren't artificial intelligence, they are simple sophisticated interactive super-computers with some bio-neural circuitry (Voyager onwards!). personally think we are a long way off true artificial intelligence at the present moment because we don't understand enough of what makes something intelligent to begin creating it.

  • 05.15.2011 9:37 AM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
I assume we're talking only human stuff.

Orbital elevators.

Slip-space travel.

Smart artificial intelligence.

Hologram AA. It's most likely Covenant in origin, though (Heretics and Skirmishers use such holograms).




Orbital elevators are being considered by NASA as an alternate extra-atmospheric means of transportation now that the shuttles are retired. It's all very feasable. Carbon nanotube technology is real. NASA stated that within 50 years we may be able to build one.

  • 05.15.2011 10:15 AM PDT

The reason we haven't settled on the Moon is bevcause we simply have no need to. Yet. Earth still has a sufficent amount of materials. Not for long, though.

  • 05.15.2011 10:34 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Stealth Ships. The novel The Flood had the right idea with saying that active camouflage emitted heat. There is no way that you can mask your thermal signatures. Thermodynamics is a pain in the ass. Your Stealth ship will be detectable, and the instant that it uses its engines or thrusters, it will be detected from half way across a solar system. We could use SETI to detect a mobile phone on Jupiter today, think what more advanced detection technology could do.

FTL. All the workabouts to Relativity exist as hypotheses which exist solely to justify FTL (aka Ad Hoc). There is no evidence to support any of them. Causality, Relativity, FTL: Pick two.

Hand held plasma weapons like what the Covenant use, Plasma Rifle, Pistol etc. Shooting plasma in real life would be like shooting steam. Ignoring the fact that Covenant "Plasma" is not really plasma but some magic goo as revealed by Frankie 5 years ago, confining it to a magnetic field would be impractical. Your hand held weapon would have to guide the charge across the distance by manipulating those fields. Also, one has to question the power source in the weapon to A) Generate the plasma in the first place and B) Project magnetic fields powerful enough to guide the charge successfully. It would have to be fairly large. The magnetic fields from other plasma weapons would also interfere with each others plasma charges as well.

Portable fusion packs like what MJOLNIR possesses. There is no way I can see something like project ITER being shrunk down to the size of a backpack.

Hard Light. The Forerunner's magic indestructible alloys. Anything to do with the Precursor. Artificial Gravity (Not simulated...) and anti-gravity. Halo Rings. In fact, I would take most of the Forerunner/Precursor stuff with a grain of salt. (The closest we could probably get to anti-gravity would be to use room-temperature superconductors in the presence of a magnetic field).

Shields are possible but not as envisioned by Halo or most sci-fi. Plasma shields (Which exist today) would always be visible, and would be very hot. Encasing yourself in one like Spartans/Elites do would not work very well for the individual inside of it. They are also incapable of stopping lasers.

  • 05.15.2011 11:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nuke incoming
I think that the one thing we will never see in the future is Artifical Gravity.

There is artifical gravity out there if I am correct.

OT: Slip-space. Though, It is still possible.

  • 05.15.2011 11:04 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Slip space travel, Orbital Elevators, Hologram, Stealth Ships, to name a few.

[Edited on 05.15.2011 11:09 AM PDT]

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Slip space travel, Orbital Elevators, Hologram, Stealth Ships, to name a few.

Orbital Elevators. There's a thread about them in this fourm right now.

  • 05.15.2011 11:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Slip space travel

Do you even know about quantum physics?

[Edited on 05.15.2011 11:21 AM PDT]

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Slip space travel

Do you even know about quantum physics?

English please? I didn't understand a word.

  • 05.15.2011 11:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: WHYTMND
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Slip space travel

Do you even know about quantum physics?

English please? I didn't understand a word.

This is English lol

[Edited on 05.15.2011 11:24 AM PDT]

  • 05.15.2011 11:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Splinter420
Needler...i mean come on, heat seeking needles that explode? would be sweet though


And the way it reloads.

  • 05.15.2011 11:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: IOU 720
youre all forgetting more's law. we are suspected to hit the limit in about 2020, or so i heard. ergo if we are EVER going to have A.I. it will be in about 2025.happy new year 2025 , holy -blam!--here comes cortana

Moore's law hasn't taken into account everything. It only counts for the amount of transistors on a silicon chip. The assumption only counts silicon based processors but not new technologies like quantum processors and optic processors. I believe new technologies may cause a huge bump and maybe even faster advancement on processing power.

Posted by: anton1792
FTL. All the workabouts to Relativity exist as hypotheses which exist solely to justify FTL (aka Ad Hoc). There is no evidence to support any of them. Causality, Relativity, FTL: Pick two.

What if I pick three? We can't travel faster than light in our universe but what about worm holes? There is no eveidence to support FTL travel and there is some against it but we have something that supports every crazy physics defying theory: quantum physics. Trying to understand the world of quantum physics is very hard. There are things like multidimesionality and worm holes which sound totally like science fiction. When it comes to understanding the universe we are living in, we haven't even scratched the surface.

Hand held plasma weapons like what the Covenant use, Plasma Rifle, Pistol etc. Shooting plasma in real life would be like shooting steam. Ignoring the fact that Covenant "Plasma" is not really plasma but some magic goo as revealed by Frankie 5 years ago, confining it to a magnetic field would be impractical. Your hand held weapon would have to guide the charge across the distance by manipulating those fields. Also, one has to question the power source in the weapon to A) Generate the plasma in the first place and B) Project magnetic fields powerful enough to guide the charge successfully. It would have to be fairly large. The magnetic fields from other plasma weapons would also interfere with each others plasma charges as well.
In reality if we had plasma weapons, they would shoot so fast that the magnetic field would only need to exist few milliseconds. That isn't completely impossible to achieve. Only actual problem is the source for the magnetic field.

Portable fusion packs like what MJOLNIR possesses. There is no way I can see something like project ITER being shrunk down to the size of a backpack.
Temperature of 100,000,000 degrees inside a small tank somehow rotating a turbine? This is pretty tricky. The plasma would actually need to be the rotating force of the generator as there would be no space for huge water tanks. The blades of the turbine would need to be covered somehow from the plasma. This would require strong magnetic fields around them. With current technology this looks impossible. Not really worth of researching as there are more efficient ways.

Hard Light. The Forerunner's magic indestructible alloys. Anything to do with the Precursor. Artificial Gravity (Not simulated...) and anti-gravity. Halo Rings. In fact, I would take most of the Forerunner/Precursor stuff with a grain of salt. (The closest we could probably get to anti-gravity would be to use room-temperature superconductors in the presence of a magnetic field).
Hard light, again we meet our friend quantum physics. For light to have density, photons would need a mass. We have this theoretical mass defining particle called Higgs particle. Manipulating it's properties could possibly provide answer to that problem. For anti-gravity and Halo rings I can't give any kind of answer with our current knowledge of physics.

Shields are possible but not as envisioned by Halo or most sci-fi. Plasma shields (Which exist today) would always be visible, and would be very hot. Encasing yourself in one like Spartans/Elites do would not work very well for the individual inside of it. They are also incapable of stopping lasers.
This is something I can't currently provide an answer to. My other suggestions shouldn't be taken as 100% serious as they were just quickly tought out ideas which could have many major problems that could prevent them being even remotely possible. I just cam up with those ideas to show that things are actually much more possible than they seem like. As I said: We haven't even scratched the surface.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
true, the problem is do you think we should create artificial intelligence? I personally am in two minds about the prospect for some obvious reasons, we do not want to copy ourselves or else the possibility of bad things happening will grow hugely. last thing we want to do is make a computer copy of our own psyche, so much hatred, war and suffering is caused because of our thoughts!

scanning our brain won't be the answer, we still don't even know how or why our brain works! how we are 'alive' and 'sentient', so how can be begin to create artificial life based on our own brains without first truly understanding how it works, that cannot be a good idea. we are progressing more toward interactive computing, rather than artificial intelligence at the moment, where computers can listen to a question and answer it not by thinking but through stored information. in Star Trek for example, the computers aren't artificial intelligence, they are simple sophisticated interactive super-computers with some bio-neural circuitry (Voyager onwards!). personally think we are a long way off true artificial intelligence at the present moment because we don't understand enough of what makes something intelligent to begin creating it.

NOT A GOOD IDEA!!! -blam!- it lets just do it, the universe wont explode.why do we need to know WHY and HOW if we CAN.explanations come next.like watching a fireworks show and after words some -blam!-head explains the pretty colors to you

  • 05.15.2011 2:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Master Chief's face (in-game).

  • 05.15.2011 2:04 PM PDT

Space. The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of Murphy's Laws on the StarShip Enterprise

Armour lock from Reach.

the B.Net.

The Flood as Halo portrays it, more like the Borg

  • 05.15.2011 2:13 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

An actual Halo Ring.

That has artificial gravity, artificial weather and terrain, teleportation grid,self sufficiency, power to wipe out sentient life when fired etc.

It's almost impossible to gather the resources to create such a megastructure.

  • 05.15.2011 3:47 PM PDT

Something we will never have in real life...?

Master Chief of course.

  • 05.15.2011 3:57 PM PDT

Average Joe

UCLA - Aerospace Engineering

"lightspeed" travel is impossible as it calls for an extra dimension.

According to physics when accelerating past the speed of light an object will actually change in size to compensate. That change in size will instantly destroy and living being.

Lightspeed = impossible. The only chance we have is teleportation. We hitch a receiver onto a ship of some sort that can sustain life and then blast that off at the speed of light.

If it gets to its destination intact we use the teleporter.

  • 05.15.2011 4:22 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: UNSC 2009
On my personal opinion, Armor Lock. That thing is just Insane!


Do you know how Armor Lock works? It basically overextends the shields of the MJOLNIR armor. If we can make shields, then I assume we would be able to figure out something to briefly overextend them.

  • 05.15.2011 4:43 PM PDT

Most likely The Ark and Halo rings.

I just don't see that level of resource automation, only living things destroyed and the sheer period of time that everything continues to function corretly.

Perhaps with nano-robotics and self replicating machines etc but I just don't see it as realistic.

If the above occurs then hello Skynet and human extinction.

Pretty much everything else I see as fairly realistic, just a matter of how long technology has to progress to get there.

Such as orbital elevators, time dialation effects, shields, camo, augemented humans, super soldier suits, space colonisation etc.

Just leave armour lock out, that's just silly. Maybe a massive shield type system but nothing is completely 100% impervious.

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  • 05.15.2011 5:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
FTL. All the workabouts to Relativity exist as hypotheses which exist solely to justify FTL (aka Ad Hoc). There is no evidence to support any of them. Causality, Relativity, FTL: Pick two.

What if I pick three? We can't travel faster than light in our universe but what about worm holes? There is no eveidence to support FTL travel and there is some against it but we have something that supports every crazy physics defying theory: quantum physics. Trying to understand the world of quantum physics is very hard. There are things like multidimesionality and worm holes which sound totally like science fiction. When it comes to understanding the universe we are living in, we haven't even scratched the surface.

Well, the reason why we cannot pick 3 from the FTL trilemma is because with Relativity, FTL implies time travel, which is a causality violation. Causality basically stating that causes must precede effects.

If Relativity is kept in its true form and FTL is used then the possibility for time travel in certain frames of reference exists. So therefore causality goes flying out the window.

We can ditch Relativity (Either wholly or partially. Using a special frame of reference to which everything can relate would eliminate time travel issues but Relativity states that there are no special frames, so this would be partially discarding the theory) in which case we can have FTL and causality. Relativity has a lot of evidence going for it, and it works well with other branches of physics such as quantum mechanics, so it does not look like it is going anywhere.

Posted by: tsassi2
In reality if we had plasma weapons, they would shoot so fast that the magnetic field would only need to exist for a few milliseconds. That isn't completely impossible to achieve. Only actual problem is the source for the magnetic field.

Yeah. I am not sure how strong the fields would need to be. It would all depend on how hot your plasma is and how fast you want to accelerate it I guess.

Posted by: tsassi2
Temperature of 100,000,000 degrees inside a small tank somehow rotating a turbine? This is pretty tricky. The plasma would actually need to be the rotating force of the generator as there would be no space for huge water tanks. The blades of the turbine would need to be covered somehow from the plasma. This would require strong magnetic fields around them. With current technology this looks impossible. Not really worth of researching as there are more efficient ways.

Well there is the thermocouple effect, and some other method I read on the US office of Patents for a device that basically has a magnetic colloid which is heated directly. This then circulates by convection through a loop, essentially acting like a moving magnet. It cuts out the steam and turbines. They do not seem powerful enough for the Mjolnir armours force circuitry or its shields though.

Posted by: tsassi2
Hard light, again we meet our friend quantum physics. For light to have density, photons would need a mass. We have this theoretical mass defining particle called Higgs particle. Manipulating it's properties could possibly provide answer to that problem. For anti-gravity and Halo rings I can't give any kind of answer with our current knowledge of physics.

Altering particle masses may be possible but if we did that then it would cease to be light would it not?

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
That's the right spirit. Actually that's what I have been saying since this thread started. It's nice to see another person with enough knowledge to know that almost everything is possible. :)

Unfortunately the biggest thing slowing down technological advancement is that we aren't wise enough to form an united humanity. Hopefully we will someday be.


Hell yes. When not playing Halo, I'm an academic working on ideas of cosmopolitanism (the universal human community) and anti-nationalism (everyone's equal, so let's all get along, regardless of where we were born).

Technologically, the human race is capable of almost anything. Conflict - economic, military, cultural - is the thing holding us back as a species, and could be our undoing.

But if everyone came together, anything would be possible. It's nice to here somebody outside of academia express the same thoughts, ty :)

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To everyone who says that artificial gravity is impossible, the only things we really know about gravity is that it exists and has something to do with mass. We don't know why it works, and if we could figure this out it may be possible to manipulate it to create artificial gravity.

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Posted by: anton1792
Well, the reason why we cannot pick 3 from the FTL trilemma is because with Relativity, FTL implies time travel, which is a causality violation. Causality basically stating that causes must precede effects.

If Relativity is kept in its true form and FTL is used then the possibility for time travel in certain frames of reference exists. So therefore causality goes flying out the window.

We can ditch Relativity (Either wholly or partially. Using a special frame of reference to which everything can relate would eliminate time travel issues but Relativity states that there are no special frames, so this would be partially discarding the theory) in which case we can have FTL and causality. Relativity has a lot of evidence going for it, and it works well with other branches of physics such as quantum mechanics, so it does not look like it is going anywhere.

I have to agree that currently we have no known theories with evidence to support FTL travel. I still have strong hopes for this but it won't happen in any time soon. To make it happen we had to ditch relativity and causality.

Yeah. I am not sure how strong the fields would need to be. It would all depend on how hot your plasma is and how fast you want to accelerate it I guess.
The plasma wouldn't need to be very hot, so I would assume around 100,000-1,000,000 degrees of kelvin. I really don't know the size of the magnetic field either. The biggest problem is that the field would have to self sustain itself when the plasma bolt shoots off. This require a heavily magnetized material to go with the plasma bolt and sustain the field.

Well there is the thermocouple effect, and some other method I read on the US office of Patents for a device that basically has a magnetic colloid which is heated directly. This then circulates by convection through a loop, essentially acting like a moving magnet. It cuts out the steam and turbines. They do not seem powerful enough for the Mjolnir armours force circuitry or its shields though.
Thermocouple still requires a cooling unit which makes it impractical to build a small unit as all the coolant would be vaporized in minutes. I must admit that this will probably never happen as it's just too impractical. In few years we will have batteries that last very long times. They would be more practical but still still have to be changed very often.


Altering particle masses may be possible but if we did that then it would cease to be light would it not?
It would technically still be light but with some different properties. It could be called something like "massive light". Pretty cool name, eh? First of all, it's speed wouldn't be as fast anymore. The hard light would actually be impossible to see as photons are the light. If we stop them, we have no light. Light bridges in Halo actually look more like loght emitting particles trapped inside a magnetic or some other kind of field. This is why this thread should only count UNSC stuff. Things like plasma weapons and hard light are way beyond known physics. (Plasma weapons not so much)

  • 05.16.2011 7:03 AM PDT

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