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Subject: The Elite and Kat, why didn't he shoot twice?

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I would like to know, how this thread went from ''Why dint the Elite shoot twice'' to ''If you could or could not see Kat's skin''.

If you can see Kat's skin it's because of the modeling. It happends in other cutscenes, but only on people who remove their helmets. Seeing the skin has nothing to do, if she put her helmet, it was sealed. PERIOD.

  • 05.17.2011 9:06 AM PDT

the helmet will likely have to be 'locked' in place, or else there is a risk of it coming off in combat, which wouldn't be a good thing! plus the suit is pressurised so a really good seal would need to be achieved, imagine you are going into space, you put your helmet on and that is it, are you safe? you bet your bottom dollar you aren't since the helmet has to be locked into place, I think that is the step people are thinking Kat neglected to do. would also guess the suits shield will not re-activate if the suit isn't complete, at least that is a logical assumption!

  • 05.17.2011 9:12 AM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the helmet will likely have to be 'locked' in place, or else there is a risk of it coming off in combat, which wouldn't be a good thing! plus the suit is pressurised so a really good seal would need to be achieved, imagine you are going into space, you put your helmet on and that is it, are you safe? you bet your bottom dollar you aren't since the helmet has to be locked into place, I think that is the step people are thinking Kat neglected to do. would also guess the suits shield will not re-activate if the suit isn't complete, at least that is a logical assumption!


Thing is though, with other characters we never see anything other then putting it on that'd indicate there was a special thing to seal the helm...

  • 05.17.2011 9:22 AM PDT

it has to be locked in place though, think about it, a pressurised suit in a vacuum which MJOLNIR is capable of operating in. if the helmet is not physically locked into place, the pressure difference will cause the helmet to pop off upon exposure to a vacuum like a cork from a champagne bottle...thats why I am adamant it has to be 'hard' sealed.

  • 05.17.2011 9:30 AM PDT

Probably, though for all we know it's an automatic thing that happens when you put on the helm of MJOLNIR.

  • 05.17.2011 9:32 AM PDT

Well if Kat hadn't failed at pushing the elevator button the first time she would have been fine.

  • 05.17.2011 9:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
depends entirely on what sort of radiation you are dealing with...there are numerous forms! an absolute ton of alpha radiation is harmless if you are behind a sheet of paper for example, yet will outright kill you and burn you if its touching you. beta radiation, can have an absolute ton of that as well, again it will kill you unless you are standing behind a wall for example, since it cannot penetrate the wall! alpha radiation can only travel around six centimetres in air before loosing all of its energy, cannot penetrate a piece of paper. gamma radiation can't be shielded against, it can be reduces but some always gets through, you'd think that is bad right? but its not since gamma radiation is bombarding your body right now, and your not dying? because it hardly ever interacts with anything, that is why you can't stop it! hell that is just for radioactive decay, there are loads more 'radiations' knocking about.

some instead of just throwing around the word 'radiation' please feel free to add just what sort of radiation, its pretty bleeding important to the whole argument what sort of radiation we are discussing.

It is Roentgens, so it will be for electromagnetic radiation. Roentgens have nothing to do with the other forms of radiation.

It comes to about 900'000 Sv of equivalent radiation dose (Or 90 million rem). A Sievert is a huge unit. Speaking of instantaneous doses, 5 is fatal and 10 or above will nail you on the spot. Of course, time is a very important factor as well. The more spread out the Sv's are, the better.

Noble team got 900'000 in like 2 minutes where 1 over the space of an hour is fatal...

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: anton1792
They should all be dead. 90 million R of radiation would literally decompose your entire body. 500 R spread across 5 hours will be fatal, never mind 90 million in one minute.

Even including protection from the armor?

Probably. If it is gamma rays then it will most likely penetrate right through the armour.

  • 05.17.2011 11:36 AM PDT

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You know when your in the falcon at the end of the level? She is talking and then there is some sort of explosion like sound. Then you hear her grunting, she says they're hitting the HQ in force.
So maybe her suit got damaged and her shields didn't work?

  • 05.17.2011 1:32 PM PDT

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  • 05.17.2011 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Docterweegee
Kats helmet was not on all the way, she was the only one with out shields.


This
You can clearly see her skin in the elavator.

  • 05.17.2011 2:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Docterweegee
Kats helmet was not on all the way, she was the only one with out shields.


Yes, because you totally saw shields restart and form on Carter and Jun, who both put their helms on.

Note, glassing puts out a crapton of radiation, that'd be enough to overload the shield system and keep it offline, hence why NONE of Noble Team had shields.

Where did this "Didn't have helm on all the way." theory come from anyway? It sounds stupid...


Since when does radiation overload shields? If you mean some sort of EMP effect like most people thought at first, then how did the Elevator work? How was the phantom in the air?

  • 05.17.2011 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Docterweegee
Kats helmet was not on all the way, she was the only one with out shields.


This
You can clearly see her skin in the elavator.


they all should have died seeing how Kurt clearly said they should never remove their helmets.


"yes lets take our helmets off and get coozy with 3 CCS carriers razing a city"


idiots.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Docterweegee
Kats helmet was not on all the way, she was the only one with out shields.


Yes, because you totally saw shields restart and form on Carter and Jun, who both put their helms on.

Note, glassing puts out a crapton of radiation, that'd be enough to overload the shield system and keep it offline, hence why NONE of Noble Team had shields.

Where did this "Didn't have helm on all the way." theory come from anyway? It sounds stupid...


Since when does radiation overload shields? If you mean some sort of EMP effect like most people thought at first, then how did the Elevator work? How was the phantom in the air?



I believe the slipspace crystal messed with shields also though i vaguely remember it giving off emp signatures also.

i naturally assume the covenant have built their vehicles to counter that, though in all honesty i don' think you could give them an EMP by our conventional standards and understanding of the term.

  • 05.17.2011 2:16 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Since when does radiation overload shields? If you mean some sort of EMP effect like most people thought at first, then how did the Elevator work? How was the phantom in the air?


If the shields absorb radiation, too much would overlord/disable the system.

  • 05.17.2011 2:20 PM PDT

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The Field Marshall was probably trying to make a statement, probably if the rumor that the Zealots your kill throughout the Campaign belong to the same group of Elites.

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  • 05.17.2011 3:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: anton1792
They should all be dead. 90 million R of radiation would literally decompose your entire body. 500 R spread across 5 hours will be fatal, never mind 90 million in one minute.


Even including protection from the armor?


Good Lord. Anton is correct. Noble team should be dead.
90 million roetgens is close to star output exposure. They didn't even have their goddamn helmets on for the first part of exposure. The would have died instantly.

Furthermore, I have no idea how the crew of the Glassing craft would be able to survive either, even through radiation shielding. The number stated is just an outrageous amount.

Guess the 90 million number was an arbitrarily high Hollywood exaggeration; like the rest of this god forsaken campaign.


Or, that was the spike as the glassing beam started, and lowered afterwards.

The campaign was fine for the most part...

  • 05.17.2011 3:37 PM PDT

"Or, that was the spike as the glassing beam started, and lowered afterwards.

The campaign was fine for the most part..."
pretty much this.

  • 05.17.2011 4:48 PM PDT

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The suit itself is EMP proof, so the electronics won't turn off, the shielding system is most likely seperate from the suit and was turned off by the radiation. It was never said that a EMP came from the glassing, just radiation.
Now what I'm asking is why didn't the Elite shoot Noble Six as well? He was in plain sight and the Elite had a good 5 seconds or so after he shot Six until the Phantom left.

  • 05.17.2011 6:11 PM PDT

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It was probably a Skirmisher or a Jackal, seeing as Elites aren't the best marksmen you can find and the fact that they think marksmanship and sniping skill are telltale signs of dishonor. As for why the creature didn't shoot twice, the rest of Noble already reacted and were laying down suppressing fire, which would put the sniper in a dangerous situation: three automatics and one magnum against one sniper in a bullet storm.

  • 06.01.2011 4:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Docterweegee
Kats helmet was not on all the way, she was the only one with out shields.


Yes, because you totally saw shields restart and form on Carter and Jun, who both put their helms on.

Note, glassing puts out a crapton of radiation, that'd be enough to overload the shield system and keep it offline, hence why NONE of Noble Team had shields.

Where did this "Didn't have helm on all the way." theory come from anyway? It sounds stupid...
For memory, aren't the shields activated by a slight nod to the front of the helmet to 'push' a 'button' in the chin?

So, if the helmet isn't locked on with a twist, maybe the shields won't activate.

If she did twist-lock her helmet, then I have no idea.

  • 06.01.2011 4:30 AM PDT

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