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Subject: Spirit of fire + Forunner world + chief= Halo4

KIWIZ RULE THE WORLD!

Its just that nobody knows it yet...

Idea time!
You know how the Halo Wars A.I. (forgot her name) says at the end of the game "captain we have a problem"? I reckon they chanced across the "forunner world" at the end of halo 3 while they where motoring across the galaxy really slowly (since they lost their slip space drive). This would make for a interesting game as first contact with the forunners would involve a whole army of humans not just one.The forunners reaction would also be interesting as theres no way they wouldn't detect the ark being destroyed ( I also wonder what their reaction would be if they find out a bunch of rag-bag elites and humans managed to stop the flood using modified mining equipment and inferior weapons).

Feel free to add ideas in and point out problems with my theory!
Also thanks to BlackKnightKanos for his post sparking the idea!

edit: How could the SoF have got back to reach in normal space? Reach was light years away! So it is still possible until proven wrong (with proof).

[Edited on 05.21.2011 2:37 PM PDT]

  • 05.18.2011 2:09 AM PDT

Extremely cheezy, but quite reasonable.

  • 05.18.2011 2:12 AM PDT

KIWIZ RULE THE WORLD!

Its just that nobody knows it yet...

Extremely cheezy, but quite reasonable.

I'll take that.]:)

  • 05.18.2011 2:15 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

No, no no no - why does everything have to link up ????

  • 05.18.2011 2:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Richomack360
No, no no no - why does everything have to link up ????


This.

  • 05.18.2011 3:27 AM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Richomack360
No, no no no - why does everything have to link up ????


This.


Well unless everything does link up all its going to be is Chief, Cortana and his assault rifle.
That means:
-No grenades
-No pistol
-No warthog
-No tank
-No marines


They could make out that the UNSC receive Cortana's signal but i like the SofF connection better.

  • 05.18.2011 5:06 AM PDT


Posted by: Richomack360
No, no no no - why does everything have to link up ????



Because if it didn't, then nothing that happened in Halo Wars would ever have had any point or impact on the story. I prefer stories where when something happens, it actually has a purpose and reason behind. Assuming the Spirit doesn't land on the Legendary planet or nothing else happens, then the Spirit's story basically was pointless.

Besides: why leave us with such an ending as "Captain, wake up. Something has happened," which, I remind you, revolves around a position in the galaxy near great Forerunner importance, and then not follow up on it?

It just seems to me that they're setting us up for something big. Alot of Halo's post stories are being left ambiguous recently. The Return, and what the humans were looking for, the letter from the office of Dr. William (insert epic last name here), Halo 3, Halo Wars, etc.

Besides, it seems kind of obvious that every story in the Halo universe told thus far has had a purpose, or connected to something else--explaining how a character got to where he was, what events happened that lead to this event and so on. Every story save Wars. It just seems logical to think it'll connect.

[Edited on 05.18.2011 5:17 AM PDT]

  • 05.18.2011 5:14 AM PDT

Huh, what post?

Anyways, it would be awesome if the Spirit of Fire crew meets Master Chief. Cpt. Cutter is like as awesome as Cpt. Keyes. I'm gonna say it right now. Halo 4 is gonna be awesome!

  • 05.18.2011 5:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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- thats not what I meant at all. You seem to have taken what I have said out of context - very rare for the internet to do that.

What I specifically talking about is that why do all the loose ends have to add up into one single plot thus explaining everything ? I dont want everything lumped into one single game with a "one size fits all" story line...

What happened to the feeling of mystery and the unsolved / unknown ? (died afer Halo CE)

The reasons people leave stories open is so they can add additional work onto it. If everything was a final ending then you couldn't really further the story.

[Edited on 05.18.2011 6:03 AM PDT]

  • 05.18.2011 6:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

No because it seems that the SoF made it before reach fell, but nice try.

  • 05.18.2011 6:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Richomack360
No, no no no - why does everything have to link up ????


This.

Double this.

  • 05.18.2011 7:30 AM PDT

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You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance, that they are the most ferocious fighters on earth- and the amusing thing about it is that they are.

How about Master Chief landing on the Shell of Onyx. They said that the Slipspace portal collapsed right? This could mean a number of things...

1) They dropped out of slipspace at Onyx. Thus, Chief finds Halsey and the Spartan III's.

2) Chief lands on this new Shield world and then gets stuck in the core like the Spartans in Onyx...

I just thought I would drop off some ideas for thought...

  • 05.18.2011 8:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin The Wind
How about Master Chief landing on the Shell of Onyx. They said that the Slipspace portal collapsed right? This could mean a number of things...

1) They dropped out of slipspace at Onyx. Thus, Chief finds Halsey and the Spartan III's.

2) Chief lands on this new Shield world and then gets stuck in the core like the Spartans in Onyx...

I just thought I would drop off some ideas for thought...

There was no shell of Onyx, the planet was completely destroyed by the time the Chief left the Ark.

It's pretty obvious from the terminals that Mendicant Bias sen the Chief to a Forerunner colony.

  • 05.18.2011 8:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: PH0T0Nman
their reaction would be if they find out a bunch of rag-bag elites and humans managed to stop the flood using modified mining equipment and inferior weapons).

I lol'd. We did it and they had better weapons!

  • 05.18.2011 9:46 AM PDT

Nah.
My bet is SoF made it back to UNSC controller space. Maybe through being captured by Insurrectionists first, who travel further into space than the UNSC did.
After that all, ONI most likely kept them in quarantine and analyzed its data on the Flood etc (important thing, come back on that later). Realizing its crew saw things they shouldn't have seen or which could cause unwanted rumours (about Flood, possible contamination and the Forerunners), they covered up ever finding the SoF. Probably even destroyed it and killed its crew. ONI is capable of doing such.

Why do I think SoF made it into ONI hands? Because they know exactly what to do with Flood, mere days after Halo blew up. Chief and Cortana weren't back on Earth to report the Flood at that point...

Chief's story after H3 is best to be left up to guessing or perhaps a book. Not a game, featuring absolutely nothing that is iconic to Halo except for the Chief....And besides, what do you want to fight? Forerunners? Silly idea. Flood? Yea great, an entire game fighting Flood and Sentinels....

My guess is SoF made it back to ONI, and H"4" is going to be about Chief in his Blue Team days.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Well 4 is going to be about chief without a doubt, but i highly doubt it will be in the past tense.

  • 05.18.2011 10:13 AM PDT
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i hope it links up like this or with GoO

  • 05.18.2011 11:01 AM PDT
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That seems impossible, TSPOF went missing in 2531. How could they have survived until 2552?

  • 05.18.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Caesar_Augustus
That seems impossible, TSPOF went missing in 2531. How could they have survived until 2552?

Cryosleep... [Hehe I was writting cryoshell]
Think with that head.

  • 05.18.2011 1:04 PM PDT

"We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer

no.

  • 05.18.2011 5:23 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
No because it seems that the SoF made it before reach fell, but nice try.


There is no evidence to support that...and what would ONI have done with the whole crew of the ship? Hmmm? There's got to be at the very least a thousand people on the Spirit of Fire, and the ship itself is pretty -blam!- big, how would ONI get it back to UNSC controlled space without alerting anyone outside of ONI and keep a 1,000+ people under wraps? The whole thing just screams unlikely and nigh impossible.

  • 05.18.2011 5:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
No because it seems that the SoF made it before reach fell, but nice try.


There is no evidence to support that...and what would ONI have done with the whole crew of the ship? Hmmm? There's got to be at the very least a thousand people on the Spirit of Fire, and the ship itself is pretty -blam!- big, how would ONI get it back to UNSC controlled space without alerting anyone outside of ONI and keep a 1,000+ people under wraps? The whole thing just screams unlikely and nigh impossible.


The Mona Lisa, And again i highly doubt there are that many people on the SoF especially after the halowars events.

  • 05.18.2011 5:59 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
No because it seems that the SoF made it before reach fell, but nice try.


There is no evidence to support that...and what would ONI have done with the whole crew of the ship? Hmmm? There's got to be at the very least a thousand people on the Spirit of Fire, and the ship itself is pretty -blam!- big, how would ONI get it back to UNSC controlled space without alerting anyone outside of ONI and keep a 1,000+ people under wraps? The whole thing just screams unlikely and nigh impossible.


The Mona Lisa, And again i highly doubt there are that many people on the SoF especially after the halowars events.


I've asked this before, and you still haven't answered yet, when is the Mona Lisa set? 'Cause quite frankly none of it sounds like it's right after Combat Evolved ends.

On Arcadia every thing they had deployed was called back to the ship, so all or most of the personnel deployed at Arcadia were back on the ship before they jumped after Moramee. The most they would have lost would have been to the Flood on the outer shell of the Shield World, but not that many people were down there to begin with. Yes, there would be a significant dent to their forces, but they'd still have a damn lot, and ONI would not be stupid enough to keep that many people out of the war simply because they knew about the Flood. Nor would they hide away a perfectly good ship for no apparent reason.

[Edited on 05.18.2011 6:23 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
No because it seems that the SoF made it before reach fell, but nice try.


There is no evidence to support that...and what would ONI have done with the whole crew of the ship? Hmmm? There's got to be at the very least a thousand people on the Spirit of Fire, and the ship itself is pretty -blam!- big, how would ONI get it back to UNSC controlled space without alerting anyone outside of ONI and keep a 1,000+ people under wraps? The whole thing just screams unlikely and nigh impossible.


The Mona Lisa, And again i highly doubt there are that many people on the SoF especially after the halowars events.


I've asked this before, and you still haven't answered yet, when is the Mona Lisa set? 'Cause quite frankly none of it sounds like it's right after Combat Evolved ends.


And another guy replied in the thread saying the same thing i tried telling you.

It takes place right after CE before Chief makes it back. Its getting to the point to where i might have to re-read it seeing how only 8-9 people seem to actually have read the story.



Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: grey101
Nice theroy Don and thank you for indirectly supporting my point.


Welcome mate ;)

And as for the Mona Lisa timeline issue: If I'm not mistaken, the story takes place several days after the Halo Event. I believe it was somewhere in the story, when they interrogate the doctors etc. But no hard dates are given.




Posted by: DonVinzone1
My guess is it somehow was found by the UNSC, and ONI kept it in quarantine and a secret.
This would explain why the UNSC suddenly has a lot of information on the Flood, right after Halo CE (in Mona Lisa, Halo: Evolutions) even without Cortana bringing back the data on Halo...

Maybe it got found by Cole and "his" Rebel troops, and was later found by "accident" when the UNSC encountered it in battle or in a Rebel dock.

Have a bigger theory on the whole SoF thing, will post the complete one later on ;)

EDIT: Found my previous post in another thread about this issue ;)


Posted by: DonVinzone1
Ok, here's my theory.

SoF wasn't lost with all hands, it was accidentally recovered by ONI. Why do I think this?

The Evolutions story Mona Lisa takes place in October 2552, on a unspecified day at the Alpha Halo debrisfield.
In the story a team of Marines infiltrates a top secret ONI facility that has been there testing the Flood as bioweapons.

Now: Halo 2 starts off at October 20th. And Alpha Halo is destroyed at September 25th.
The ONI ship arrived at the debris field shortly after the destruction of Halo, presumably within a week or so and began testing with the Flood....

How on Earth do they know about the Flood and Halo at that point? Because Chief and Cortana aren't back on Earth to tell them about the Flood/Forerunners at that point in time. I can (am will at least to) assume the distress call from Cortana when they destoryed Halo and wanted the UNSC to find them, had some minor info about "Flood", but the question still remains: how does ONI suddenly turn up with a fully fleshed out plan to use Flood as bioweapons, even with a ship fully equipped and prepped for such an operation? Thats not something you do in the short period of time they had...

Unless they were prepared for such things and already knew about the Flood in a minor way....which is where SoF comes in to play, because they are the only ones who had UNSC contact with the Flood before them.

So I assume ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood...



So you and commander can stop saying "i am the only one saying this" because there is a group of us that came to this conclusion months ago. but seeing how the universe forum is near dead i am pretty much the only one that is here near 24 7.

[Edited on 05.18.2011 6:33 PM PDT]

  • 05.18.2011 6:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

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Posted by: grey101
No because it seems that the SoF made it before reach fell, but nice try.


There is no evidence to support that...and what would ONI have done with the whole crew of the ship? Hmmm? There's got to be at the very least a thousand people on the Spirit of Fire, and the ship itself is pretty -blam!- big, how would ONI get it back to UNSC controlled space without alerting anyone outside of ONI and keep a 1,000+ people under wraps? The whole thing just screams unlikely and nigh impossible.


The Mona Lisa, And again i highly doubt there are that many people on the SoF especially after the halowars events.


I've asked this before, and you still haven't answered yet, when is the Mona Lisa set? 'Cause quite frankly none of it sounds like it's right after Combat Evolved ends.


And another guy replied in the thread saying the same thing i tried telling you.

It takes place right after CE before Chief makes it back. Its getting to the point to where i might have to re-read it seeing how only 8-9 people seem to actually have read the story.



Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: grey101
Nice theroy Don and thank you for indirectly supporting my point.


Welcome mate ;)

And as for the Mona Lisa timeline issue: If I'm not mistaken, the story takes place several days after the Halo Event. I believe it was somewhere in the story, when they interrogate the doctors etc. But no hard dates are given.




Posted by: DonVinzone1
My guess is it somehow was found by the UNSC, and ONI kept it in quarantine and a secret.
This would explain why the UNSC suddenly has a lot of information on the Flood, right after Halo CE (in Mona Lisa, Halo: Evolutions) even without Cortana bringing back the data on Halo...

Maybe it got found by Cole and "his" Rebel troops, and was later found by "accident" when the UNSC encountered it in battle or in a Rebel dock.

Have a bigger theory on the whole SoF thing, will post the complete one later on ;)

EDIT: Found my previous post in another thread about this issue ;)


Posted by: DonVinzone1
Ok, here's my theory.

SoF wasn't lost with all hands, it was accidentally recovered by ONI. Why do I think this?

The Evolutions story Mona Lisa takes place in October 2552, on a unspecified day at the Alpha Halo debrisfield.
In the story a team of Marines infiltrates a top secret ONI facility that has been there testing the Flood as bioweapons.

Now: Halo 2 starts off at October 20th. And Alpha Halo is destroyed at September 25th.
The ONI ship arrived at the debris field shortly after the destruction of Halo, presumably within a week or so and began testing with the Flood....

How on Earth do they know about the Flood and Halo at that point? Because Chief and Cortana aren't back on Earth to tell them about the Flood/Forerunners at that point in time. I can (am will at least to) assume the distress call from Cortana when they destoryed Halo and wanted the UNSC to find them, had some minor info about "Flood", but the question still remains: how does ONI suddenly turn up with a fully fleshed out plan to use Flood as bioweapons, even with a ship fully equipped and prepped for such an operation? Thats not something you do in the short period of time they had...

Unless they were prepared for such things and already knew about the Flood in a minor way....which is where SoF comes in to play, because they are the only ones who had UNSC contact with the Flood before them.

So I assume ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood...



So you and commander can stop saying "i am the only one saying this" because there is a group of us that came to this conclusion months ago. but seeing how the universe forum is near dead i am pretty much the only one that is here near 24 7.


Ok, I've been doing some research into this, and here's what I've found so far that makes your theory look questionable at best.

First Strike concludes on September 12th and the Mona Lisa is taking place in October, no specific date given, but it would not take that long for the Gettysburg to get back to Earth with news of the Flood, especially since the Unyielding Heirophant was practically in the Sol system.

And in the Mona Lisa they didn't even really know what the Flood was, not at first anyway.

And I'm pretty sure most of the Universe forum has read the Mona Lisa, all the high profile members have at least.
I'm a little out of it right now, so I'll come back with a more coherent and well thought out response tomorrow after I get some sleep.

[Edited on 05.18.2011 8:25 PM PDT]

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