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Subject: Spirit of fire + Forunner world + chief= Halo4

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

I'd really like to see a game that has a split storyline, like Halo 2. One as the Chief, and his journey, and one as Fred on the Dyson Sphere. And at some point, through some bizarre chain of events, they meet up, just like the Arbiter and Chief did in Halo 2. That, I think, would make a pretty good game. Just depends on what the enemies are.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?



Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

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Posted by: grey101
No because it seems that the SoF made it before reach fell, but nice try.[/quote]

There is no evidence to support that...and what would ONI have done with the whole crew of the ship? Hmmm? There's got to be at the very least a thousand people on the Spirit of Fire, and the ship itself is pretty -blam!- big, how would ONI get it back to UNSC controlled space without alerting anyone outside of ONI and keep a 1,000+ people under wraps? The whole thing just screams unlikely and nigh impossible.


The Mona Lisa, And again i highly doubt there are that many people on the SoF especially after the halowars events.


I've asked this before, and you still haven't answered yet, when is the Mona Lisa set? 'Cause quite frankly none of it sounds like it's right after Combat Evolved ends.


And another guy replied in the thread saying the same thing i tried telling you.

It takes place right after CE before Chief makes it back. Its getting to the point to where i might have to re-read it seeing how only 8-9 people seem to actually have read the story.



Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: grey101
Nice theroy Don and thank you for indirectly supporting my point.


Welcome mate ;)

And as for the Mona Lisa timeline issue: If I'm not mistaken, the story takes place several days after the Halo Event. I believe it was somewhere in the story, when they interrogate the doctors etc. But no hard dates are given.




Posted by: DonVinzone1
My guess is it somehow was found by the UNSC, and ONI kept it in quarantine and a secret.
This would explain why the UNSC suddenly has a lot of information on the Flood, right after Halo CE (in Mona Lisa, Halo: Evolutions) even without Cortana bringing back the data on Halo...

Maybe it got found by Cole and "his" Rebel troops, and was later found by "accident" when the UNSC encountered it in battle or in a Rebel dock.

Have a bigger theory on the whole SoF thing, will post the complete one later on ;)

EDIT: Found my previous post in another thread about this issue ;)


Posted by: DonVinzone1
Ok, here's my theory.

SoF wasn't lost with all hands, it was accidentally recovered by ONI. Why do I think this?

The Evolutions story Mona Lisa takes place in October 2552, on a unspecified day at the Alpha Halo debrisfield.
In the story a team of Marines infiltrates a top secret ONI facility that has been there testing the Flood as bioweapons.

Now: Halo 2 starts off at October 20th. And Alpha Halo is destroyed at September 25th.
The ONI ship arrived at the debris field shortly after the destruction of Halo, presumably within a week or so and began testing with the Flood....

How on Earth do they know about the Flood and Halo at that point? Because Chief and Cortana aren't back on Earth to tell them about the Flood/Forerunners at that point in time. I can (am will at least to) assume the distress call from Cortana when they destoryed Halo and wanted the UNSC to find them, had some minor info about "Flood", but the question still remains: how does ONI suddenly turn up with a fully fleshed out plan to use Flood as bioweapons, even with a ship fully equipped and prepped for such an operation? Thats not something you do in the short period of time they had...

Unless they were prepared for such things and already knew about the Flood in a minor way....which is where SoF comes in to play, because they are the only ones who had UNSC contact with the Flood before them.

So I assume ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood...



So you and commander can stop saying "i am the only one saying this" because there is a group of us that came to this conclusion months ago. but seeing how the universe forum is near dead i am pretty much the only one that is here near 24 7.


Ok, I've been doing some research into this, and here's what I've found so far that makes your theory look questionable at best.

First Strike concludes on September 12th and the Mona Lisa is taking place in October, no specific date given, but it would not take that long for the Gettysburg to get back to Earth with news of the Flood, especially since the Unyielding Heirophant was practically in the Sol system.

And in the Mona Lisa they didn't even really know what the Flood was, not at first anyway.

And I'm pretty sure most of the Universe forum has read the Mona Lisa, all the high profile members have at least.
I'm a little out of it right now, so I'll come back with a more coherent and well thought out response tomorrow after I get some sleep.



You also have the time crystal which distorted pretty much the entire timeline, Unyielding Heirophant was not "practically" in the sol system, They knew what it parasite and that is it just because they didn't say "flood" doesn't mean they didn't know what it was.

I know they have and as i have stated we had came to that conclusion well before you started posting here, so just because i am the nearly one of the few still coming here and not calling them for "support" doesn't mean anything.


Beat the horse all you like but you really are wasting your time because 343 is going to connect the two sooner or later. I think frankie even smiled at the mention of the SoF making it back.

So go on all you want all just wait afew years and see how it comes together, because i had this same "issue" with somebody pre halo 3 on something.

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  • 05.19.2011 4:59 AM PDT


Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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- thats not what I meant at all. You seem to have taken what I have said out of context - very rare for the internet to do that.

What I specifically talking about is that why do all the loose ends have to add up into one single plot thus explaining everything ? I dont want everything lumped into one single game with a "one size fits all" story line...

What happened to the feeling of mystery and the unsolved / unknown ? (died afer Halo CE)

The reasons people leave stories open is so they can add additional work onto it. If everything was a final ending then you couldn't really further the story.


Apologies; of course, I don't think every story will mash up at the end (I somehow doubt that Halsey and co. will see the Chief again). But it would make sense for the Spirit to have something to do with the next game. We can't just be left with "something has happened" and not expect a truly big plot point or whatever.

I'm just thinking as we know the story now. Surely the upcoming post-Halo 3 (which, btw, is what I meant in my first post by the word "post" but didn't write Halo 3 for whatever reason) will change things around. But with no where else to go, it just seems like the Spirit will end up with the Chief.

  • 05.19.2011 5:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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- thats not what I meant at all. You seem to have taken what I have said out of context - very rare for the internet to do that.

What I specifically talking about is that why do all the loose ends have to add up into one single plot thus explaining everything ? I dont want everything lumped into one single game with a "one size fits all" story line...

What happened to the feeling of mystery and the unsolved / unknown ? (died afer Halo CE)

The reasons people leave stories open is so they can add additional work onto it. If everything was a final ending then you couldn't really further the story.


Apologies; of course, I don't think every story will mash up at the end (I somehow doubt that Halsey and co. will see the Chief again). But it would make sense for the Spirit to have something to do with the next game. We can't just be left with "something has happened" and not expect a truly big plot point or whatever.

I'm just thinking as we know the story now. Surely the upcoming post-Halo 3 (which, btw, is what I meant in my first post by the word "post" but didn't write Halo 3 for whatever reason) will change things around. But with no where else to go, it just seems like the Spirit will end up with the Chief.


Don't get me wrong, I love the SoF and Halo Wars, I also like the MC - but if you were to cross the crews over you would more than likely have an FPS - thus people potentially missing out on another Halo Wars game ?

Give me another RTS with the SoF crew, one more FPS with the MC then you can join them together !

  • 05.19.2011 5:30 AM PDT


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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Richomack360
No, no no no - why does everything have to link up ????


This.


Well unless everything does link up all its going to be is Chief, Cortana and his assault rifle.
That means:
-No grenades
-No pistol
-No warthog
-No tank
-No marines


They could make out that the UNSC receive Cortana's signal but i like the SofF connection better.


I'm late to this party, BUT:

-Forerunner grenades
-Forerunner pistols
-Foreunner vehicles
-forerunners..

  • 05.19.2011 8:01 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Posted by: OrderedComa

Ok, I've been doing some research into this, and here's what I've found so far that makes your theory look questionable at best.

First Strike concludes on September 12th and the Mona Lisa is taking place in October, no specific date given, but it would not take that long for the Gettysburg to get back to Earth with news of the Flood, especially since the Unyielding Heirophant was practically in the Sol system.

And in the Mona Lisa they didn't even really know what the Flood was, not at first anyway.

And I'm pretty sure most of the Universe forum has read the Mona Lisa, all the high profile members have at least.
I'm a little out of it right now, so I'll come back with a more coherent and well thought out response tomorrow after I get some sleep.



You also have the time crystal which distorted pretty much the entire timeline, Unyielding Heirophant was not "practically" in the sol system, They knew what it parasite and that is it just because they didn't say "flood" doesn't mean they didn't know what it was.

I know they have and as i have stated we had came to that conclusion well before you started posting here, so just because i am the nearly one of the few still coming here and not calling them for "support" doesn't mean anything.


Beat the horse all you like but you really are wasting your time because 343 is going to connect the two sooner or later. I think frankie even smiled at the mention of the SoF making it back.

So go on all you want all just wait afew years and see how it comes together, because i had this same "issue" with somebody pre halo 3 on something.


What difference does the Crystal really make? It sped up Blue Team's eventual return to Earth by essentially making the Ascendant Justice go back in time. I don't think it said where in the Tau Ceti System the Unyielding Heirophant was, but a system is not that big, and it was only 11.9 lightyears away according to Halopedia, and that's practically our next door neighbor in regards to the galaxy at large. It would still not be a very long trip back to Earth.

How would they have even found Alpha Halo? Cortana was the only one to get that it was a star map of sorts on the Sigma rock, so how would the Mona Lisa have gotten there, hmm? And how would they have even known to look for Flood there unless John Smith and his cronies got the information from intel gathered by Chief and Cortana.

This is an entirely different issue than whatever it was you were proved right about before, so why should past experience dictate that you are right this time? That claim doesn't make me want to believe you.

  • 05.19.2011 1:52 PM PDT

KIWIZ RULE THE WORLD!

Its just that nobody knows it yet...

How would they know its there? I don't know... maybe nearby doing evil ONI work or something when they picked up a EXPLOSION THE SIZE OF A GAS GIANT! Thats going to make a lot of noise (or vibration if you want to be picky) so alot of people are going to know somethings up.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: OrderedComa

Ok, I've been doing some research into this, and here's what I've found so far that makes your theory look questionable at best.

First Strike concludes on September 12th and the Mona Lisa is taking place in October, no specific date given, but it would not take that long for the Gettysburg to get back to Earth with news of the Flood, especially since the Unyielding Heirophant was practically in the Sol system.

And in the Mona Lisa they didn't even really know what the Flood was, not at first anyway.

And I'm pretty sure most of the Universe forum has read the Mona Lisa, all the high profile members have at least.
I'm a little out of it right now, so I'll come back with a more coherent and well thought out response tomorrow after I get some sleep.



You also have the time crystal which distorted pretty much the entire timeline, Unyielding Heirophant was not "practically" in the sol system, They knew what it parasite and that is it just because they didn't say "flood" doesn't mean they didn't know what it was.

I know they have and as i have stated we had came to that conclusion well before you started posting here, so just because i am the nearly one of the few still coming here and not calling them for "support" doesn't mean anything.


Beat the horse all you like but you really are wasting your time because 343 is going to connect the two sooner or later. I think frankie even smiled at the mention of the SoF making it back.

So go on all you want all just wait afew years and see how it comes together, because i had this same "issue" with somebody pre halo 3 on something.


What difference does the Crystal really make? It sped up Blue Team's eventual return to Earth by essentially making the Ascendant Justice go back in time. I don't think it said where in the Tau Ceti System the Unyielding Heirophant was, but a system is not that big, and it was only 11.9 lightyears away according to Halopedia, and that's practically our next door neighbor in regards to the galaxy at large. It would still not be a very long trip back to Earth.

How would they have even found Alpha Halo? Cortana was the only one to get that it was a star map of sorts on the Sigma rock, so how would the Mona Lisa have gotten there, hmm? And how would they have even known to look for Flood there unless John Smith and his cronies got the information from intel gathered by Chief and Cortana.

This is an entirely different issue than whatever it was you were proved right about before, so why should past experience dictate that you are right this time? That claim doesn't make me want to believe you.


Again the time crystal messes up a lot if you try to put together events because hof how they got back to reach so fast.

The covenant honestly know where everything is, they are just to ignorant to follow up and check. I am not sure how they know, but they knew about installation 5,reach, the shield world, even the ark. I honestly don't understand how they know of all these places but now recently decided to check them. I am guessing they have some sort of relic or something that they aren't using properly.


It was clearly stated that the mona lisa didn't even know where they were or why they were sent there. It is clear that ONI sent them to check up on the red horse because something went wrong. Both ONI and the covenant knew of the flood prior to installation 4. The covenant knew from old texts (and probably ancient encounters) and it was stated in an update that ONI also knew of the flood years and years ago, i assume this is what bungie was talking about when they said that.


For the last time can you read the story and tell me where it says anything about chief and cortana? you keep bringing it up like it is suppose to solve anything. The ships were already at installation 4 before they got back


I couldn't careless if you believe me because i know i am right cocky as that might seem. But its true, so if your even on bungie or 343i forums in the next 304 years when everything adds up you'll be looking at the same thing i have been explaining to you.

  • 05.21.2011 5:41 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: OrderedComa

Ok, I've been doing some research into this, and here's what I've found so far that makes your theory look questionable at best.

First Strike concludes on September 12th and the Mona Lisa is taking place in October, no specific date given, but it would not take that long for the Gettysburg to get back to Earth with news of the Flood, especially since the Unyielding Heirophant was practically in the Sol system.

And in the Mona Lisa they didn't even really know what the Flood was, not at first anyway.

And I'm pretty sure most of the Universe forum has read the Mona Lisa, all the high profile members have at least.
I'm a little out of it right now, so I'll come back with a more coherent and well thought out response tomorrow after I get some sleep.



You also have the time crystal which distorted pretty much the entire timeline, Unyielding Heirophant was not "practically" in the sol system, They knew what it parasite and that is it just because they didn't say "flood" doesn't mean they didn't know what it was.

I know they have and as i have stated we had came to that conclusion well before you started posting here, so just because i am the nearly one of the few still coming here and not calling them for "support" doesn't mean anything.


Beat the horse all you like but you really are wasting your time because 343 is going to connect the two sooner or later. I think frankie even smiled at the mention of the SoF making it back.

So go on all you want all just wait afew years and see how it comes together, because i had this same "issue" with somebody pre halo 3 on something.


What difference does the Crystal really make? It sped up Blue Team's eventual return to Earth by essentially making the Ascendant Justice go back in time. I don't think it said where in the Tau Ceti System the Unyielding Heirophant was, but a system is not that big, and it was only 11.9 lightyears away according to Halopedia, and that's practically our next door neighbor in regards to the galaxy at large. It would still not be a very long trip back to Earth.

How would they have even found Alpha Halo? Cortana was the only one to get that it was a star map of sorts on the Sigma rock, so how would the Mona Lisa have gotten there, hmm? And how would they have even known to look for Flood there unless John Smith and his cronies got the information from intel gathered by Chief and Cortana.

This is an entirely different issue than whatever it was you were proved right about before, so why should past experience dictate that you are right this time? That claim doesn't make me want to believe you.


Again the time crystal messes up a lot if you try to put together events because hof how they got back to reach so fast.

The covenant honestly know where everything is, they are just to ignorant to follow up and check. I am not sure how they know, but they knew about installation 5,reach, the shield world, even the ark. I honestly don't understand how they know of all these places but now recently decided to check them. I am guessing they have some sort of relic or something that they aren't using properly.


It was clearly stated that the mona lisa didn't even know where they were or why they were sent there. It is clear that ONI sent them to check up on the red horse because something went wrong. Both ONI and the covenant knew of the flood prior to installation 4. The covenant knew from old texts (and probably ancient encounters) and it was stated in an update that ONI also knew of the flood years and years ago, i assume this is what bungie was talking about when they said that.


For the last time can you read the story and tell me where it says anything about chief and cortana? you keep bringing it up like it is suppose to solve anything. The ships were already at installation 4 before they got back


I couldn't careless if you believe me because i know i am right cocky as that might seem. But its true, so if your even on bungie or 343i forums in the next 304 years when everything adds up you'll be looking at the same thing i have been explaining to you.


How does it mess anything up, I'm not seeing the connection here.

I was talking about ONI in that second paragraph, not the Covenant. I was asking how ONI would have known how to find Alpha Halo or known that surviving Flood specimens would possibly be there. As for the Covenant finding things, I had assumed they knew how to find the Shield World in Halo Wars from the artifact the Scarab was guarding on Arcadia. And we know how they found the Ark, Regret detected the Portal on Earth.

The Red Horse knew where they were, Lopez tells Smith that the Mona Lisa is by the planet Threshold when her squad first finds him. What update was that in, I don't ever remember hearing about anything like that at all.

I don't own the book, and I gave it back to the friend I borrowed it from, so I can't give you a page number or anything, I can only tell you what part it was at (which I think I already did in another post). It's when Rebeca is telling Foccault about the Flood and showing him the intel they have on it. It mentioned Chief and I'm pretty sure it had a description of what could only possibly be the Jenkin's footage.

The Red Horse was definitely not at Alpha before Chief got back. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that ONI was smart enough to figure out the Star Map on the Sigma Rock and then found Alpha Halo that way, but I am totally, completely and one hundred percent certain that it has nothing at all to do with the Spirit of Fire. There just too many vectors that make it very highly improbable.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

ONI has found dozens if not maybe a hundred or so forerunner relics on planets. So that doesn't make the idea of them finding a star chart far fetched not to mention they also have the data on the sigma crystal.

I am getting this from the book also, believe it was Burgundy that said they had no idea what or why they were out in the middle of nowhere. This was stated in the book and in the 4th part of the online comic. chief wasn't mentioned in the story whatsoever and im sure that part would have showed up in the comic if it did.

It isn't improbable, you just personally don't want it to happen so you throw out any supporting ideas. If you don't like something you biases claim it to be false due to it not fitting up with your own preconceptions.


not to mention that rebbeca was sent to the red horse just for this mission, so it is obvious they knew what they were doing.

And to clarify I am saying the Mona Lisa was there before chief got back, the red horse appearing in october only supports that.



  • 05.24.2011 4:41 AM PDT

KIWIZ RULE THE WORLD!

Its just that nobody knows it yet...

As I keep pointing out, the SoF didn't need to arrive back to tell ONI they could of picked up the explosion of halo and sent the closest ship to investigate ie The mona Lisa.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: PH0T0Nman
As I keep pointing out, the SoF didn't need to arrive back to tell ONI they could of picked up the explosion of halo and sent the closest ship to investigate ie The mona Lisa.
That wouldn't add up ether.


How would they see a random explosion in space and then go to it? not to mention the mona lisa was sent to see why the red horse wasn't communicating. And the mona lisa had been there for awhile.

  • 05.25.2011 4:43 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
ONI has found dozens if not maybe a hundred or so forerunner relics on planets. So that doesn't make the idea of them finding a star chart far fetched not to mention they also have the data on the sigma crystal.

I am getting this from the book also, believe it was Burgundy that said they had no idea what or why they were out in the middle of nowhere. This was stated in the book and in the 4th part of the online comic. chief wasn't mentioned in the story whatsoever and im sure that part would have showed up in the comic if it did.

It isn't improbable, you just personally don't want it to happen so you throw out any supporting ideas. If you don't like something you biases claim it to be false due to it not fitting up with your own preconceptions.


not to mention that rebbeca was sent to the red horse just for this mission, so it is obvious they knew what they were doing.

And to clarify I am saying the Mona Lisa was there before chief got back, the red horse appearing in october only supports that.


The Sigma Rock was actually what I was talking about the Star Chart being from :P Remember, that's how Cortana found Alpha Halo, because she realized the Rock was a Star Map. I don't it's too implausible that ONI realized the same thing.

Well Lopez knew where they were :/ She says it in the fourth part of the motion comic she says they're off the planet Threshold. Actually the part where Rebeca levels with Foucault will probably be in the next part of the comic, I know in the book it was right around when Benti's group found Rimmer and "Henry". I didn't say Chief was mentioned specifically as Chief, but I do remember the story mentioning footage he took from Alpha Halo.

It is very improbable that ONI recovered the Spirit of Fire, and there is no evidence to support that claim. If there is any that clearly states it then please cite it by all means, but I have not seen anything to indicate such.

I have no real problem at with the Mona Lisa being present at Alpha Halo before Chief gets back, there is evidence that can support that, I personally don't hold to that theory, but there's nothing wrong with thinking it got there before the First Strike characters' return to Earth. There is no evidence currently to suggest it went there because of the Spirit of Fire though.

  • 05.25.2011 11:21 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: PH0T0Nman
As I keep pointing out, the SoF didn't need to arrive back to tell ONI they could of picked up the explosion of halo and sent the closest ship to investigate ie The mona Lisa.
That wouldn't add up ether.


How would they see a random explosion in space and then go to it? not to mention the mona lisa was sent to see why the red horse wasn't communicating. And the mona lisa had been there for awhile.


I think what he's saying is that the UNSC could have detected the explosion or something using long range scans or something like that.

I think you accidentally confused the two ships, the Mona Lisa was already there at Alpha Halo when the Red Horse got there. And the Red Horse was sent to check up on the Mona Lisa, though their orders did not clearly state that, that was their true purpose in being there.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
ONI has found dozens if not maybe a hundred or so forerunner relics on planets. So that doesn't make the idea of them finding a star chart far fetched not to mention they also have the data on the sigma crystal.

I am getting this from the book also, believe it was Burgundy that said they had no idea what or why they were out in the middle of nowhere. This was stated in the book and in the 4th part of the online comic. chief wasn't mentioned in the story whatsoever and im sure that part would have showed up in the comic if it did.

It isn't improbable, you just personally don't want it to happen so you throw out any supporting ideas. If you don't like something you biases claim it to be false due to it not fitting up with your own preconceptions.


not to mention that rebbeca was sent to the red horse just for this mission, so it is obvious they knew what they were doing.

And to clarify I am saying the Mona Lisa was there before chief got back, the red horse appearing in october only supports that.




It is very improbable that ONI recovered the Spirit of Fire, and there is no evidence to support that claim. If there is any that clearly states it then please cite it by all means, but I have not seen anything to indicate such.

I have no real problem at with the Mona Lisa being present at Alpha Halo before Chief gets back, there is evidence that can support that, I personally don't hold to that theory, but there's nothing wrong with thinking it got there before the First Strike characters' return to Earth. There is no evidence currently to suggest it went there because of the Spirit of Fire though.


it really isn't and this story and a few other hints support it.


but seeing how this isn't going anywhere i'll stop.

  • 05.25.2011 11:31 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
ONI has found dozens if not maybe a hundred or so forerunner relics on planets. So that doesn't make the idea of them finding a star chart far fetched not to mention they also have the data on the sigma crystal.

I am getting this from the book also, believe it was Burgundy that said they had no idea what or why they were out in the middle of nowhere. This was stated in the book and in the 4th part of the online comic. chief wasn't mentioned in the story whatsoever and im sure that part would have showed up in the comic if it did.

It isn't improbable, you just personally don't want it to happen so you throw out any supporting ideas. If you don't like something you biases claim it to be false due to it not fitting up with your own preconceptions.


not to mention that rebbeca was sent to the red horse just for this mission, so it is obvious they knew what they were doing.

And to clarify I am saying the Mona Lisa was there before chief got back, the red horse appearing in october only supports that.




It is very improbable that ONI recovered the Spirit of Fire, and there is no evidence to support that claim. If there is any that clearly states it then please cite it by all means, but I have not seen anything to indicate such.

I have no real problem at with the Mona Lisa being present at Alpha Halo before Chief gets back, there is evidence that can support that, I personally don't hold to that theory, but there's nothing wrong with thinking it got there before the First Strike characters' return to Earth. There is no evidence currently to suggest it went there because of the Spirit of Fire though.


it really isn't and this story and a few other hints support it.


but seeing how this isn't going anywhere i'll stop.


I mean how, what about the Mona Lisa makes you think there is evidence that ONI recovered the Spirit of Fire? And what would you regard as hints thrown around that support it? I don't agree with you in the least, but I want to see your thought process and what it was that you think so convincing, it will help me understand your position much better.

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