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Subject: Which game would you rather have, Reach or Halo 2?

Posted by: CultMiester4000
I'm not really an Apple person (Bananas forever) but damn, that's kinda sad.


Posted by: Striker029
What's your definition of balance?


Something that does its job without overlapping too much with the niches of other guns.

It had a limited range, unlike the Reach DMR. It could injure vehicles, but only with coordinated fire would it knock them near death. Only Ghosts could it single handily take somebody out, but only with a great marksman.

You seem to think I disagree about the vehicle damage the DMR does. I don't. The Battle Rifle (*Cough*Death Star*Cough*) absolutely destroyed the sandbox by making it the only gun you'll ever need, and it rewarded one-track thinking with actual results. It needed a lower RoF or a good bloom system or hatever, I don't know, just another limiting factor.


I'm guessing by this stance, you rather it have no hitscan, thus it wouldn't have been so powerful. OK...


I prefer Hitscan, but only because it reduces latency, otherwise I'd prefer physical projectiles.

Halo 3's BR had no hitscan, and was awful. Reach's DMR is actually the weapon that's OP if you consider Halo 2's BR, Halo 3's BR, and the DMR itself. The only thing holding back the power of the DMR's capacity is bloom. What held Halo 3's BR back was lack of hitscan.

The real problem is that they excell beyond/within their respected niche of "Reliable gun"; the "Precision rifle" gun in Halo needs to be average at all ranges, including medium range, so that it can be beaten by range niche guns.

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  • 05.23.2011 7:47 AM PDT

Both exist, I own both. Both have ups and downs. The thing that gets me is why it's always Halo 2? Halo 2 was a significant step backwards from CE. If it was CE or Reach I might say CE as it was pretty much flawless. As it is though, these threads don't really achieve anything. Argueing about which of the sequals was the least borked is a bit silly too. They all have some ups and downs and they all add different things to the Universe.

  • 05.23.2011 7:48 AM PDT

Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, reading the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again the reply is now diamonds.Anything is possible with legit comments Im sexy!

is it opinion or fact that a couple of people spraying at a vehicle with DMRs can kill it?
fact

is it opinion or fact that in alot of maps where vehicles could play a large part of map control, are also the maps often played with 'DMR stars' game-types?
opinion, based on direct observation.

is it opinion or fact that the BR from H2 had a 3round burst that would hit 3 random locations in the retricle, which taken with sweeping your aim (maybe to track a moving target) would mean that it has random spread, regardless of how fast/slow you fire, but the DMR has the same effect of random spread where your shots can land anywhere within your retricule, BUT the bloom effect implemented to reduce acuracy the faster you shoot increases the inaccuracy of the weapon, as to apply more game balance to the weapon?
fact dressed up as opinion to be more understood by people who get confused by mathematical explanations

is it opinion or fact, that having a weapon which is effective at almost any range, can be used to kill vehicles, if used efficiently can be used to counter power weapons, and is often given to every player at spawn, a little boring?

pure opinion, i know some peope will totaly disagree and say that without the DMR thier ability to enjoy the game would not exist as its the only weapon they use. my point here being, its the only weapon they use, as its the only weapon they NEED to use which back to my opinion, which is on topic of the thread, boring, and there fore i prefer H2 simply because without using glitches like BXRing or double shooting the BR was not as effective against closer ranged weapons at close range as the DMR is, IMO making it a more balanced weapon, not being able to easily take down vehicles with it made it IMO a more balanced weapon. and making me use other weapons adding variety back to the game, variety is fun.

also the OP failed to mention wether he wanted us to choose between reach and H2 based on MP which is what this argument is becoming, campaign, or the WHOLE game. i chose to based my choice on the whole game option, as it is the most implied option in the thread title.

  • 05.23.2011 7:48 AM PDT

I like shorts. They're comfy and easy to wear.

It's a tough choice. Reach has Forge and the Armoury, but Halo 2 had a good Campaign and the non-ugly banshee.

Also, stop posting out of character.

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  • 05.23.2011 7:49 AM PDT
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Kill them all & let god sort them out

Halo 2 is a classic

  • 05.23.2011 8:04 AM PDT


Posted by: o DeathCubeK o
Halo 2 beats out Halo: Reach any day of the week. I spent more time playing that game than any other game to date. The MM was fair, interesting, and skill reigned supreme over any other tactic (such as hitting the Armorlock button).



You obviously didn't play Halo 2. Tell me how lunging five feet, hitting gigantic hitboxes, grenade spamming (four grenades of each type...WTF), bunny hopping, superbouncing, lock on rocket lawn chairs, modding and exploiting button combo glitches requires skill. I'll wait...

[Edited on 05.23.2011 9:00 AM PDT]

  • 05.23.2011 8:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: irie II
H2

More of a skill gap



Herp a derp.

Do you want videos disproving that?

  • 05.23.2011 9:04 AM PDT

2 wasn't a scratch on CE, most people have this vision that 2 was "awesome" and required "moar skillz than any other gaem evar" because it was the first Halo they played : /

  • 05.23.2011 9:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Walruscoptoid
2 wasn't a scratch on CE, most people have this vision that 2 was "awesome" and required "moar skillz than any other gaem evar" because it was the first Halo they played : /


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I love you.

My brother's first game was H2, he admits that it requires the least actual skill though (WUT AN EXCEPTION). Auto aim and bullet magnetism salute.

  • 05.23.2011 9:09 AM PDT

"Before you insult someone, try walking a mile in their shoes. This way, when you insult them, you are a mile away and have their shoes."

So, I can vote between these two:

Halo 2
Campaign that was rushed
No graphical updates
Lagtacular
Hacks, glitches, and cheaters
Custom games that revolve around camping
Horrible weapon balance

Halo:Reach
Campaign that has replay value, tells a different story
Graphical update that surpasses most 360 games out today
Lag is minimal
Many new options to tinker with
Ability to use AA, not use AA, use power-ups, and more
Good weapon balance
A survival mode with customization
A map editor and map maker
A multitude of non-camping custom games

Yeah, i'll take Reach. Obviously I will be flamed now, because Halo 2 bandwagoners just hate everyone that points these thing out about their game. No, I had Halo 2, I sold it and went back to Halo CE. Deal with it.

  • 05.23.2011 9:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: davadude

Yeah, i'll take Reach. Obviously I will be flamed now, because Halo 2 bandwagoners just hate everyone that points these thing out about their game. No, I had Halo 2, I sold it and went back to Halo CE. Deal with it.


I heart you, too. Especially that bit with the Posted by: davadude
Halo 2 bandwagoners
annoys me a lot about this forum. Most kids haven't ever played it, suck at it (that's really, really hard actually) and still praise it.

Don't get me wrong - I had my fair share of fun with Halo 2, it was one of the best experiences for its time! But don't let Nostalgia and a few wannabe's change your opinion.

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  • 05.23.2011 9:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: davadude
Halo:Reach
Campaign that has replay value, tells a different story

I chortled.

  • 05.23.2011 9:42 AM PDT


Posted by: davadude
So, I can vote between these two:

Halo 2
Campaign that was rushed
No graphical updates
Lagtacular
Hacks, glitches, and cheaters
Custom games that revolve around camping
Horrible weapon balance

-The whole game was rushed
-wtf does that even mean? the graphics were so good that the old xbox couldn't handle it.
-Didn't lag any more then Gears or Black Ops.
-The only true issue with the game was the numerous amount of glitches, but it's still one of the most entertaining games I've ever played.
-what custom games did you play? lawl
-Horrible weapon balance on smg starts. When it was Team BRs it was pretty great actually.

Halo:Reach
Campaign that has replay value, tells a different story
Graphical update that surpasses most 360 games out today
Lag is minimal
Many new options to tinker with
Ability to use AA, not use AA, use power-ups, and more
Good weapon balance
A survival mode with customization
A map editor and map maker
A multitude of non-camping custom games

-The campaign is fun but the constant framerate drops ruin it for me. Seems like they weren't finished with the game, much like halo 2.
-Graphics may be more intensive but that's probably why the game has framerate issues. Probably a good reason why other games don't have all the things reach does.
-Having options is nice but gameplay is more important.
-Only one playlist exists where you are not forced to use AAs.
-Firefight would be amazing if it weren't for lag and framerate issues.
-Forge is cool, but I've never had anything to do with it personally.
-again, wtf customs are you playing?

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Yeah, i'll take Reach. Obviously I will be flamed now, because Halo 2 bandwagoners just hate everyone that points these thing out about their game. No, I had Halo 2, I sold it and went back to Halo CE. Deal with it.


Not a bandwagoner but a lot of your points make no sense. Reach has a ton of issues that ruin the game, and as long as they exist halo 2 will be superior, despite all its problems.



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  • 05.23.2011 11:02 AM PDT

I wouldn't give up my fond memories of summers going to night long lans and local tournies with friends, pregame lobbying all day long, playing EfEfAy All Day on lockout and midship, the stress of grinding up to mid thirties and the fun of -blam!- talking and 1v1s, glitching and superbouncing and launching and zombies and making movies before theater and double shotting and quad shotting and xsv shotting and RRYBXing and rain of fire on coag and hide and seek. Those were the days...

  • 05.23.2011 11:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: AoR LedinToke

Not a bandwagoner


Lol, k.

Posted by: AoR LedinToke

Reach has a ton of issues that ruin the game


You forgot to add "IMO" to that.

Posted by: AoR LedinToke

halo 2 will be superior, despite all its problems.



Once again, add an "IMO" and it's fine.


I disagree, by the way.


  • 05.23.2011 11:21 AM PDT


Posted by: Bullet Spread
Posted by: AoR LedinToke

Not a bandwagoner


Lol, k.

Posted by: AoR LedinToke

Reach has a ton of issues that ruin the game


You forgot to add "IMO" to that.

Posted by: AoR LedinToke

halo 2 will be superior, despite all its problems.



Once again, add an "IMO" and it's fine.


I disagree, by the way.




I figured you would. If a framerate problem does not ruin a game for you then I don't really need to say anything.

  • 05.23.2011 11:23 AM PDT


Posted by: Bungie fan 117
Reach. I get money (cR) for playing.



Spoken like a true noob, er... false fanboy. My bad. =p

  • 05.23.2011 11:37 AM PDT

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So you people would rather Halo 2 available on Xbox live than Reach?

Both right out of the box as is when they were first released?

I think a lot of you picking Halo2 are creating some artificial parameters where it would be comparable to Reach on the grounds of graphics and such.

  • 05.23.2011 1:31 PM PDT

halo reach also falls down as unlike CE and H2 the campaign is not that compelling, there is not alot of character developement, for a story of crushing defeat, the ending is rather triumphant...


are you high? have you not gotten past the part of them taking cortana off the planet???? if you play the last lvl, it is a story of utter defeat, and when bungie credits everybody, that is the damn halo ring from the first one. and its a prequel

  • 06.02.2011 7:15 PM PDT

I'm that random without a mic that only melees that everyone talks about.

I can honestly say I don't miss Halo 2 one bit.

  • 06.02.2011 7:17 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Reach. And don't even start that "true fans" bull-blam!-, you don't know what you're talking about.
I've been playing since the release of CE. So shove that up your ass.

Halo 2. The world would be a better place if Reach burned in hell.

  • 06.02.2011 7:18 PM PDT

"Die? Didn't you know? Spartans never die." - Kurt-051's last words.

I voted for Reach because it has Forge, Theater, Firefight, and better Custom Games.

  • 06.02.2011 7:18 PM PDT

Halo 2 was amazing, most people who didnt like it, got -blam- on by the button glitches they were un-able to do. It required more skill. BUT Reach is a good replacement for Halo 3, which I didnt like too much.

  • 06.02.2011 7:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Ultra Force
I voted for Reach because it has Forge, Theater, Firefight, and better Custom Games.


Yeah me too, right now Reach is more playable for me than Halo 2.

H2 is lacking online play,theatre,forge,customs,and firefight.

Dont get my wrong though, H2 is and always will be one of the greatest Halo games.

[Edited on 06.02.2011 7:24 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2011 7:24 PM PDT

Posted by: CultMiester4000
I'm not really an Apple person (Bananas forever) but damn, that's kinda sad.

Posted by: Kayyyleb
Halo 2. The world would be a better place if Reach burned in hell.


Hell isn't real silly!

  • 06.02.2011 7:24 PM PDT