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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
Posted by: IOU 720
at the end of cryptum, even born thinks that the prisoner survived the halo ring.HOW CAN THIS BE. isnt a precursor a life-form like everything else
Because MB took him with him, he is.will be the gravemind.
The Prisoner cannot be the beginning of the Gravemind. One of Dibbs posts in AJ's thread:
Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Spartan1065
I really just am not convinced that the prisoner and the Gravemind are the same being.I have to agree. While the Captive may be absorbed by the Gravemind (still not quite sure how I feel about this), it is clear that the Gravemind existed prior to MB ever releasing the Captive.
From Terminal 3:D: We have the answer. We've built
Mendicant Bias. It's a contender
class [AI], unlike anything we've
ever achieved.
And we've observed a pattern it
can exploit.
The parasite has formed a Compound
Mind. When it reaches a certain
mass, the Mind is able to recoil its
disparate parts to create a
[tactical shield]. This is a simple
matter of mass preservation. The
thing has no compunction about
sacrificing parts of the whole. But
when the core of the Mind is
threatened, it reacts violently
and quickly.Remember the timeline of the book. Going by the above quote, Bias was created specifically to combat the Gravemind, before Didact entered the cryptum. The Forerunner knew of the Gravemind's existence before MB turned on them; before the Captive could ever be released. While the possibility of the Captive being a part of the Gravemind is still open, he cannot possibly be the starting point for the Gravemind as one was already established well before his release.
And this point is laid moot by the fact Cryptum says MB was created to control the Halos, NOT to kill Gravemind. Born did expressly say in the beginning of the book a lot of what we understand in contemporary Halo fiction about the Forerunners to be muddled. I take this to mean Cryptum>Terminals in canon.
With that in mind, now remember the story where MB talks with the Gravemind for 43 years, the exact same number of years he spoke with the Prisoner in Cryptum. After he returns 43 years later with a Halo, he then says "I have a new master" right as he's blowing the -blam!- out of the Forerunner capitol. Why would he be working for the Flood if not for the Gravemind's sake?
Then consider both the Gravemind and the Precursors are transsetient beings, in the same catagory. Then, consider the very strong possibility MB's Halo might have been Halo Installation .05 based on his operating number.
At this point, of course, some won't be happy with speculation until its 100% obvious the Prisoner is the GM, so Cryptum 2 might give us more answers.
But then finally, consider this: from a story perspective, do we really need a second all powerful god-like entity antagonist? One was just fine. It would be way to much of a throwaway to randomly add in another enemy we have to deal with when we can't even finish off 1 and barely another. If we find in Halo 4 that now we need to find a way to kill off the Flood's Gravemind AND a Precursor, the Chief might as well hang up his helmet right there.
Besides, a lot of this theory's detractors seem to be under the impression the Prisoner still must look as he does in the book. Remember: when he's described is at least a thousand years before Cryptum. It seems likely somewhere between then and now, the Prisoner took full control over the Flood, using his transentient abilities to become the compound mind, and ultimately the Gravemind.