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Posted by: OrderedComa
I can't remember off the top of my head, and Halopedia is so horribly vague about it, how did Blue Team get on the Bloodied Spirit again? The only real similarity that I remember between the commandeering of the Ascendant Justice and the Bloodied Spirit is that the atmosphere was vented from the ship to kill off the crew.
The manner in which that was done is an example of the Covenant's dogmatic approach to things. Using the same methods that Cortana had used, and the exact same weaknesses that she exploited, they vented the atmosphere of the vessel. The Covenant changed nothing, and it was so easy that by simply plugging in a datapad the ship could be taken. An AI was not needed at this point. The method on which they got aboard the Bloodied Spirit was exactly the same method they used to get on board the Unyielding Heirophant, by stowing away on board a dropship. The UNSC would overhaul all of their security protocols if this happened to them, but the Covenant did not.
Posted by: OrderedComa
Could they even pick them up? The universe is a pretty big place, there is a chance they could receive Human radio signals, but it's a very slim one due to the whole size of the universe. And I can't remember, but don't they get more garbled and "decay" the longer the signal is out there?
That is only if you want to get any usable information from it. However, just detecting a periodic signal would be a case of listening for a while, filtering out the background noise and then summing up what you are left with. Get 3 separate points of detection and then you can triangulate.
Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm sure that the UNSC would have done the same if they could have, it's only natural to use the bigger stick in war if you can.
It is, but Regret explicitly stated that the Covenant was not great enough to do the job. By the time Reach fell, the Covenant was giving everything they had. If they were attacked by another race of even nearly equal power then the Covenant would not last, because as Regret said, the Human war would "Leave them defenceless" regardless of whether they could defeat Humanity or not. Given the Covenant's massive advantage over Humanity, there is no reason why this should be the case.
Posted by: OrderedComa
Perhaps so, usually whoever has a numerical advantage though is not usually as careful as they should be, as long as they can afford the losses at least.
It should not act as a primary tactic though at least.
Posted by: OrderedComa
That is all true, and I think certainly plays a part in their overconfidence and lack of tactics other than Zerg rushing the enemy. But that doesn't mean they are incapable of coming up with tactics.
Okay perhaps it does not. It more explains why they have not used tactics, but in combination with other things, such as the above, I think it all suggests that they cannot. Some things just do not occur to some people. Combined with their religious dogma that essentially condemns independent thought, it is no surprise.
Posted by: OrderedComa
Well I would point out Halo: Reach but that's what we're disputing so that's not really good evidence :P So I'll just point out Sigma Octanus, they had that stealthed ship hiding out there and receiving information from the surface of Sigma Octanus IV. And then again in TFoR at the Battle of Reach sending ships in to distract the UNSC forces from them releasing dropships to the surface of the planet.
I'll give you these. Not on the same scale of Reach but okay.
Posted by: OrderedComa
Well, in order to stay in geosynchronous orbit they must have manoeuvring thrusters, and something to counteract the firing forces. They will have to be pretty powerful. I don't see how it can't be moved quick enough.
Reach is not all that bigger than Earth, about 3000km greater diameter. SMAC's fire at "point four tenths" c, going by TFoR. That means that if just one SMAC has a line of sight on tLNoS, then in under 2 seconds the round will cross the entirety of Reach's diameter. It travels at 12'000km/s. The Supercarrier is going nowhere. I can't see how it can hide anywhere near Reach.
I more meant that it'd be more difficult to move them at a moments notice, or if it'd be all that wise to bring them within firing range of the LNoS. The thruster may be powerful enough to move it to a new place, but part of me doesn't really think so, the thrusters would be more for keeping it on track and they would thus be positioned at multiple different angles, not sure if it'd able to move around through space on their own very well.
Well if the SMACs are all in one area they'd have a harder time covering all or most of Reach, and I don't think the LNoS would have parked itself within line of sight with the SMACs, or out of their range at least.
Wait. I realise that debating whther the SMAC's can be moved quickly does not really go anywhere useful. Unless the UNSC positioned them all in the one place over Reach then there should not be any issues with the Supercarrier. Were they?
Theoretically, you only need 3 satellites to ensure that all of the planet is covered. We have 20 ODPs. Unless the UNSC was concentrating them all in one area then all of Reach should be covered. The Supercarrier was in low orbit, clearly at a distance less than that of Reach's diameter which means that it will be in range of at least 1 station. And as you know, that round will cross the distance in the blink of an eye.
I just do not understand this part at all really. The explantion may be that they were on the other side of the planet, but why were they there. That defeats the purpose of their existence.