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  • Poll [178 votes]: Your vote on Halo:Reach and the FOR Canon errors (3 options)
Subject: Your vote on Halo:Reach and the FOR Canon errors (3 options)

"A LIE is a LIE"


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Poll: Your vote on Halo:Reach and the FOR Canon errors (3 options)  [closed]
I dont think H:R has any canon errors.:  10%
(18 Votes)
H:R errors are easily explained, acceptable, minor:  40%
(71 Votes)
H:R errors are large, unacceptable, unexplainable:  50%
(89 Votes)
Total Votes: 178

Since there hasn't been an in-depth poll on the canon for FOR and Halo:reach (Well, I'm getting no results in the search engine) I feel it is necessary to create a poll to get a true idea of what the universe population thinks about the canon.

Simple, vote, and tell me why. Try to keep it clean.

My vote goes to option No.2, i've seen plenty of perfectly good explanations on the canon errors.


EDIT: The results appear to favor the viewpoint held by respected members like grey101 and privet caboose. As of now, 76 people think Halo reach has no, or minor, easily explainable canon errors.

77 people think Halo Reach has unacceptable and unexplainable canon errors. If the results change I will update.


Anyone else who has not voted, vote now!


[Edited on 05.25.2011 11:43 AM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 10:25 AM PDT
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Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I say the 3rd one because we shouldn't be the ones coming up with explanations and loopholes for the errors. Bungie should have specifically stated why this and this happened instead of leaving it up to us.

Not to mention the point of Reach falling was to show how weak the UNSC really was to the covenant; The game did that Last stand BS, which wasn't the case whatsoever

  • 05.20.2011 10:30 AM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: grey101
I say the 3rd one because we shouldn't be the ones coming up with explanations and loopholes for the errors. Bungie should have specifically stated why this and this happened instead of leaving it up to us.

Not to mention the point of Reach falling was to show how weak the UNSC really was to the covenant; The game did that Last stand BS, which wasn't the case whatsoever


I agree bungie should at least give us some explanations. I think they just dumped the Franchise on 343 and ran off to their new project.

  • 05.20.2011 10:33 AM PDT

i think the 3rd one but hey, i like TFoR so much any wrong doing is terrible.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 10:40 AM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 10:38 AM PDT

I'd say mainly the second one with a little of the first thrown in sums up my opinion on the matter.

I agree with the first option as well as the second because quite a few of the errors have already been fixed/explained in either videos on Halo Waypoint, marketing material released with Reach, or in Dr. Halsey's Journal. And whatever disagreements are left are totally insignificant and can easily be explained away with common sense and logical analysis.

  • 05.20.2011 10:39 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Some errors are minor retcons, others are huge inconsistencies that make the rest of the Halo timeline impossible. If the Covenant had been fighting on Reach for a month, Cole Protocol would have initiated and the data would be purged. Thus Blue Team wouldn't be sent to Gamma station, and so on and so forth.

  • 05.20.2011 1:01 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

I voted for the 3rd.

Reason: Noble Team, their mere presence annoyed me.

These are not a Spartan Special Force Team in any way. It's like taking the whole image painted in Halo Canon on Spartan Mythology and then branding them "power rangers".

It's simply irreparable.

  • 05.20.2011 1:06 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

3

I think it is harmful to some of ideas of the Halo story. The way Reach was depicted, the way the Covenant were depicted and the setup for the game's plot were pernicious.

  • 05.20.2011 1:14 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Some errors are minor retcons, others are huge inconsistencies that make the rest of the Halo timeline impossible. If the Covenant had been fighting on Reach for a month, Cole Protocol would have initiated and the data would be purged. Thus Blue Team wouldn't be sent to Gamma station, and so on and so forth.


Wow, I never considered that...........

More reason to think number 3

Plus, I agree with grey, the way Reach was depicted ruined the sense of dread of the Covenant (the polar opposite of what Bungie was trying to achieve). The fall of Reach in the book was epic, quick, brutal and most importantly QUICK. The Covenant obliterated basically our entire military command structure and fleet in one friggin' day . It sealed the deal humanity was doomed. After Reach, humanity was on the run completely, with little to fight back with.

Reach in the game was slow, dull, boring and depicted more as the battle of Harvest (a random farming colony) rather then the last hope of humanity falling. Ironically, the slow painful death was less impactful then the quick and decisive death. The Covenant were depicted as no more powerful then the UNSC. They just won , as in all battles there will be a winner.

There was virtually no fleet to show the audience what Reach was, no armies of thousands of human soldiers and civillians getting massacered, Reach was just.....a farming colony.

Bungie assumed everyone knew what Reach was it seems. You can tell because it is never explained in game. And even still, for those who did know what it was, it was depicted horribly!

[Edited on 05.20.2011 2:02 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 1:55 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Some errors are minor retcons, others are huge inconsistencies that make the rest of the Halo timeline impossible. If the Covenant had been fighting on Reach for a month, Cole Protocol would have initiated and the data would be purged. Thus Blue Team wouldn't be sent to Gamma station, and so on and so forth.


Only, the prowler in question was completely isolated from every computer system, due to Cortana's tinkering causing an ONI shutdown.

edit: Also, before the fleet arrived at LNOS, they were trying to keep the battle hushed up. Since it was solely on a single territory, that was possible. LNOS - PoA was the actual battle, lasting a week or so.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 1:58 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 1:57 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: ninjakenzen
I voted for the 3rd.

Reason: Noble Team, their mere presence annoyed me.

These are not a Spartan Special Force Team in any way. It's like taking the whole image painted in Halo Canon on Spartan Mythology and then branding them "power rangers".

It's simply irreparable.


That is not a good reason at all.

  • 05.20.2011 1:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Some errors are minor retcons, others are huge inconsistencies that make the rest of the Halo timeline impossible. If the Covenant had been fighting on Reach for a month, Cole Protocol would have initiated and the data would be purged. Thus Blue Team wouldn't be sent to Gamma station, and so on and so forth.


also that means kelly never got screwed up on the station... so halsey wouldnt have been able to kidnap her and take her to onyx... omg it just keeps going... lol

  • 05.20.2011 6:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Slamtastic50mg
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Some errors are minor retcons, others are huge inconsistencies that make the rest of the Halo timeline impossible. If the Covenant had been fighting on Reach for a month, Cole Protocol would have initiated and the data would be purged. Thus Blue Team wouldn't be sent to Gamma station, and so on and so forth.


also that means kelly never got screwed up on the station... so halsey wouldnt have been able to kidnap her and take her to onyx... omg it just keeps going... lol


Look at my last post.

Also, Kelly never touched the station.

  • 05.20.2011 6:10 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I'm having no trouble connecting the dots with certain "broken" aspects of Hal: Reach compared to The Fall of Reach, so I'll go with 2.

  • 05.20.2011 6:13 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I'm having no trouble connecting the dots with certain "broken" aspects of Hal: Reach compared to The Fall of Reach, so I'll go with 2.

  • 05.20.2011 6:25 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Only, the prowler in question was completely isolated from every computer system, due to Cortana's tinkering causing an ONI shutdown.
Ah, okay. That clears it up.
edit: Also, before the fleet arrived at LNOS, they were trying to keep the battle hushed up. Since it was solely on a single territory, that was possible. LNOS - PoA was the actual battle, lasting a week or so.At the end of LNoS, the Covenant invasion fleet arrives. This is on August 13, as stated in the beginning of the mission. PoA doesn't happen until August 30, that's much longer than a week.

  • 05.20.2011 6:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Only, the prowler in question was completely isolated from every computer system, due to Cortana's tinkering causing an ONI shutdown.
Ah, okay. That clears it up.
edit: Also, before the fleet arrived at LNOS, they were trying to keep the battle hushed up. Since it was solely on a single territory, that was possible. LNOS - PoA was the actual battle, lasting a week or so.At the end of LNoS, the Covenant invasion fleet arrives. This is on August 13, as stated in the beginning of the mission. PoA doesn't happen until August 30, that's much longer than a week.

I don't think it's explicitly stated that the ships arriving after Long Night of Solace is the entire invasion fleet.

  • 05.20.2011 6:52 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I don't think it's explicitly stated that the ships arriving after Long Night of Solace is the entire invasion fleet.
Judging by the cutscene it was at least twelve ships, from the noise after the static there's a good chance it was a lot more.

  • 05.20.2011 7:32 PM PDT

Posted by: MegaMuffin15
At the end of LNoS, the Covenant invasion fleet arrives. This is on August 13, as stated in the beginning of the mission. PoA doesn't happen until August 30, that's much longer than a week.


There were two fleets (not counting the Long Night of Solace and its Corvettes) that attacked Reach, the one that jumped in system on the 14th of August after the LNoS was destroyed, and the Fleet of Particular Justice that jumped in system on the 30th of August.

  • 05.20.2011 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I'm having no trouble connecting the dots with certain "broken" aspects of Hal: Reach compared to The Fall of Reach, so I'll go with 2.

  • 05.20.2011 7:55 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Everyone already knows my stance on this matter.

  • 05.20.2011 9:43 PM PDT
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I picked the 3rd. There are few things that just can't be explained logically.

  • 05.20.2011 10:03 PM PDT

H:R errors are easily explained, acceptable, minor

  • 05.20.2011 10:45 PM PDT

3rd, I'm still confused on how the POA was on Reach when it was barely at the battle, the entire battle took a totally different shape and Spartan3s shouldn't be there killing the majority of the main characters. Now Eric Nylund has to rewrite entire sections of the books.

  • 05.20.2011 10:51 PM PDT

I throw my lot with number 3 completely. Fortress World? They should have named it Halo: Contact Harvest. Because that's exactly what it was as depicted in the game: a random farmer colony. Certainly not the heart of the UNSC.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 11:03 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 10:59 PM PDT