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Subject: Your vote on Halo:Reach and the FOR Canon errors (3 options)

I voted number two. I'm not as concerned about Reach's canon as I would've been in the past; I found it to be a generally solid/interesting piece of canon.

That, and I can easily convince myself that ONI was behind everything that seemed off on throughout the game.

Why?

A. The game was a recreation of Noble's perspective (or something like that, explained by some ONI agent), so the dates could be entirely wrong.

B. ONI duped the hell out of everyone on Reach; massive, rolling blackouts shut down any means of communication with Covenant-based sectore, survivors of the attacks are detained and/or disposed of, etc, etc.

  • 05.21.2011 9:31 PM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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B. ONI duped the hell out of everyone on Reach; massive, rolling blackouts shut down any means of communication with Covenant-based sectore, survivors of the attacks are detained and/or disposed of, etc, etc.


I can't buy that whatsoever.

realistically speaking i am sure somebody has a telescope, not to mention trade ships that would come in, not to mention people on vacation or traveling.


Far too many factors to say that ONI could keep it an entire planet under control? halsey said it herself that when ONI has it "under control" then it is FUBAR.

And i am sure all the ships firing would make hella noise not to mention be a damn light show.

  • 05.21.2011 9:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Justice One Duo


B. ONI duped the hell out of everyone on Reach; massive, rolling blackouts shut down any means of communication with Covenant-based sectore, survivors of the attacks are detained and/or disposed of, etc, etc.


I can't buy that whatsoever.

realistically speaking i am sure somebody has a telescope, not to mention trade ships that would come in, not to mention people on vacation or traveling.


Far too many factors to say that ONI could keep it an entire planet under control? halsey said it herself that when ONI has it "under control" then it is FUBAR.

And i am sure all the ships firing would make hella noise not to mention be a damn light show.

Just say it's a training exercise, that's the usual military BS.

=)

  • 05.21.2011 9:37 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Justice One Duo


B. ONI duped the hell out of everyone on Reach; massive, rolling blackouts shut down any means of communication with Covenant-based sectore, survivors of the attacks are detained and/or disposed of, etc, etc.


I can't buy that whatsoever.

realistically speaking i am sure somebody has a telescope, not to mention trade ships that would come in, not to mention people on vacation or traveling.


Far too many factors to say that ONI could keep it an entire planet under control? halsey said it herself that when ONI has it "under control" then it is FUBAR.

And i am sure all the ships firing would make hella noise not to mention be a damn light show.

Just say it's a training exercise, that's the usual military BS.

=)


Hehe ;P And I really don't think it's out of ONI's power to keep a small scale invasion (which is what it was up until the Long Night of Solace revealed itself) completely under wraps.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Justice One Duo


B. ONI duped the hell out of everyone on Reach; massive, rolling blackouts shut down any means of communication with Covenant-based sectore, survivors of the attacks are detained and/or disposed of, etc, etc.


I can't buy that whatsoever.

realistically speaking i am sure somebody has a telescope, not to mention trade ships that would come in, not to mention people on vacation or traveling.


Far too many factors to say that ONI could keep it an entire planet under control? halsey said it herself that when ONI has it "under control" then it is FUBAR.

And i am sure all the ships firing would make hella noise not to mention be a damn light show.

Just say it's a training exercise, that's the usual military BS.

=)


with plasma.

  • 05.21.2011 10:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Justice One Duo


B. ONI duped the hell out of everyone on Reach; massive, rolling blackouts shut down any means of communication with Covenant-based sectore, survivors of the attacks are detained and/or disposed of, etc, etc.


I can't buy that whatsoever.

realistically speaking i am sure somebody has a telescope, not to mention trade ships that would come in, not to mention people on vacation or traveling.


Far too many factors to say that ONI could keep it an entire planet under control? halsey said it herself that when ONI has it "under control" then it is FUBAR.

And i am sure all the ships firing would make hella noise not to mention be a damn light show.

Just say it's a training exercise, that's the usual military BS.

=)


with plasma.

And costumes that look surprisingly like the actual Covenant.

;)

  • 05.21.2011 10:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1065
I think of Halo: Reach as a nice what could have happened story. I ignore it when I think of canon.

Posted by: privet caboose
Everyone already knows my stance on this matter.
You have an opinion about the canon errors in Reach?


It's the top forum topic on the side.

His stance being Halo Reach took canon and shredded it entirely, and events unrelated are now massively different or could be.

Obviously I was being sarcastic in regards to my lack of knowledge about Caboose's opinion.

[Edited on 05.21.2011 10:29 PM PDT]

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I choose Option 3.

There's far too many inconsistencies/errors in the Reach, it makes it nearly unrepairable. If you want to fix the Reach, it would require to overhaul the storyline.

It'd be good storyline such as:

Witness the battle of space; then late 52 warships with Pillar of Autumn arrives to assist the defense of Reach. As the battle goes, you could easily played as member of Blue Team going to Gamma Station to eliminate the covenants trying to take NAV data and destroy it. And, switching to Red Team while flying over skies until AA fires and causes pelican to crash, forcing Red Team to jump and you would play as wounded memebr of Red team, into defense of generators.

While later, you can easily switch to ODSTs defending the random city; how about Quezon or New Alexandria? Then back to Red team for short time as MAC rounds impact the area near to generator, completely killing portion of Red Team with Marines. Then switch to remaining red team to CASTLE base and meet Dr. Halsey and other, I'll say more later.

This would be fine, it doesn't ruin any canon and it'd be better campaign.

It's just my opinion...

[Edited on 05.21.2011 11:34 PM PDT]

  • 05.21.2011 11:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
I choose Option 3.

There's far too many inconsistencies/errors in the Reach, it makes it nearly unrepairable. If you want to fix the Reach, it would require to overhaul the storyline.

It'd be good storyline such as:

Witness the battle of space; then late 52 warships with Pillar of Autumn arrives to assist the defense of Reach. As the battle goes, you could easily played as member of Blue Team going to Gamma Station to eliminate the covenants trying to take NAV data and destroy it. And, switching to Red Team while flying over skies until AA fires and causes pelican to crash, forcing Red Team to jump and you would play as wounded memebr of Red team, into defense of generators.

While later, you can easily switch to ODSTs defending the random city; how about Quezon or New Alexandria? Then back to Red team for short time as MAC rounds impact the area near to generator, completely killing portion of Red Team with Marines. Then switch to remaining red team to CASTLE base and meet Dr. Halsey and other, I'll say more later.

This would be fine, it doesn't ruin any canon and it'd be better campaign.

It's just my opinion...

No that your wrong, but for canon so unrepairable most of us can make pretty clear sense of it.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: raganok99
I choose Option 3.

There's far too many inconsistencies/errors in the Reach, it makes it nearly unrepairable. If you want to fix the Reach, it would require to overhaul the storyline.

It'd be good storyline such as:

Witness the battle of space; then late 52 warships with Pillar of Autumn arrives to assist the defense of Reach. As the battle goes, you could easily played as member of Blue Team going to Gamma Station to eliminate the covenants trying to take NAV data and destroy it. And, switching to Red Team while flying over skies until AA fires and causes pelican to crash, forcing Red Team to jump and you would play as wounded memebr of Red team, into defense of generators.

While later, you can easily switch to ODSTs defending the random city; how about Quezon or New Alexandria? Then back to Red team for short time as MAC rounds impact the area near to generator, completely killing portion of Red Team with Marines. Then switch to remaining red team to CASTLE base and meet Dr. Halsey and other, I'll say more later.

This would be fine, it doesn't ruin any canon and it'd be better campaign.

It's just my opinion...

No that your wrong, but for canon so unrepairable most of us can make pretty clear sense of it.


Dude, there is no right or wrong in opinions. *facepalm*

Meaningless, I still stand with my choice of option #3. As other members of bungie such as grey, caboose, anton, etc will do same thing. Do you seriously think it can be fixed?

And you say that most of member here agree with option 2? Unlikely, since it's 33% only supported. Since 52% of polls said that it's canon breaker. (polls says it, not me) 33% of them consist of: Cmdr Deacon, you, Ordered Coma, Pipsboy3000 and few members here.

I find it doubtful. I'm pretty sure that most of people here just don't like Reach for obvious reasons.

[Edited on 05.21.2011 11:45 PM PDT]

  • 05.21.2011 11:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
Dude, there is no right or wrong in opinions. *facepalm*

Meaningless, I still stand with my choice of option #3. As other members of bungie such as grey, caboose, anton, etc will do same thing. Do you seriously think it can be fixed?

I didn't say you were wrong, I meant to type you Not that your wrong. And yes, I seriously think it can be fixed. -blam!- what caboose and the others have to say. You said it yourself, no opinion can be wrong. Mine is no exception.

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Posted by: raganok99
Dude, there is no right or wrong in opinions. *facepalm*

Meaningless, I still stand with my choice of option #3. As other members of bungie such as grey, caboose, anton, etc will do same thing. Do you seriously think it can be fixed?

I didn't say you were wrong, I meant to type you Not that your wrong. And yes, I seriously think it can be fixed. -blam!- what caboose and the others have to say. You said it yourself, no opinion can be wrong. Mine is no exception.


Well, since Caboose and others pretty much made good points regarding about canon status in the Reach and linking to entire halo universe...

In my humble opinion is that Bungie decided to give the community a giant middle finger and gave us canon-broken Reach. Tis' Sad.

  • 05.21.2011 11:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99

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Posted by: raganok99
Dude, there is no right or wrong in opinions. *facepalm*

Meaningless, I still stand with my choice of option #3. As other members of bungie such as grey, caboose, anton, etc will do same thing. Do you seriously think it can be fixed?

I didn't say you were wrong, I meant to type you Not that your wrong. And yes, I seriously think it can be fixed. -blam!- what caboose and the others have to say. You said it yourself, no opinion can be wrong. Mine is no exception.


Well, since Caboose and others pretty much made good points regarding about canon status in the Reach and linking to entire halo universe...

In my humble opinion is that Bungie decided to give the community a giant middle finger and gave us canon-broken Reach. Tis' Sad.

Your point? I know caboose a bit better than most people here and he works in a cycle every time a new Halo product gets released, sans Halo:Cryptum since it doesn't really affect much it being set over 100,000 years go, he goes nuts and claims the canon is ruined. I've since stopped caring. I can;t speak for anyone else.

I've made plenty of good points that folks like Coma and DaeFaron will acknowledge, but I don't claim to be absolute on everything. That is why I can accept Reach working because in every sci-fi universe, things always change as the years go on.

And I find it sad you think Bungie intentionally made Reach to piss us off, sorry they didn't please you, but you are jumping to the logic of a spiteful Sonic fanboy.

That's sad.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: raganok99

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Posted by: raganok99
Dude, there is no right or wrong in opinions. *facepalm*

Meaningless, I still stand with my choice of option #3. As other members of bungie such as grey, caboose, anton, etc will do same thing. Do you seriously think it can be fixed?

I didn't say you were wrong, I meant to type you Not that your wrong. And yes, I seriously think it can be fixed. -blam!- what caboose and the others have to say. You said it yourself, no opinion can be wrong. Mine is no exception.


Well, since Caboose and others pretty much made good points regarding about canon status in the Reach and linking to entire halo universe...

In my humble opinion is that Bungie decided to give the community a giant middle finger and gave us canon-broken Reach. Tis' Sad.

Your point? I know caboose a bit better than most people here and he works in a cycle every time a new Halo product gets released, sans Halo:Cryptum since it doesn't really affect much it being set over 100,000 years go, he goes nuts and claims the canon is ruined. I've since stopped caring. I can;t speak for anyone else.

I've made plenty of good points that folks like Coma and DaeFaron will acknowledge, but I don't claim to be absolute on everything. That is why I can accept Reach working because in every sci-fi universe, things always change as the years go on.

And I find it sad you think Bungie intentionally made Reach to piss us off, sorry they didn't please you, but you are jumping to the logic of a spiteful Sonic fanboy.

That's sad.


Like I said again, opinions.

I didn't care about Caboose's raging on Halo: Cyptum since it's proper canon since we needed know about Forerunners and other something. But I did care about Reach since Bungie itself said it was supposed to biggest hype since it's last Halo game that they will make. But It did reach to that? No. There's no perfect games that exists...

I'm thankful that Microsoft decided to leave Halo to hands of 343 Industries. It's better than nothing at all.



  • 05.21.2011 11:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
Dude, there is no right or wrong in opinions. *facepalm*

Meaningless, I still stand with my choice of option #3. As other members of bungie such as grey, caboose, anton, etc will do same thing. Do you seriously think it can be fixed?

I didn't say you were wrong, I meant to type you Not that your wrong. And yes, I seriously think it can be fixed. -blam!- what caboose and the others have to say. You said it yourself, no opinion can be wrong. Mine is no exception.


Well, since Caboose and others pretty much made good points regarding about canon status in the Reach and linking to entire halo universe...

In my humble opinion is that Bungie decided to give the community a giant middle finger and gave us canon-broken Reach. Tis' Sad.

Your point? I know caboose a bit better than most people here and he works in a cycle every time a new Halo product gets released, sans Halo:Cryptum since it doesn't really affect much it being set over 100,000 years go, he goes nuts and claims the canon is ruined. I've since stopped caring. I can;t speak for anyone else.

I've made plenty of good points that folks like Coma and DaeFaron will acknowledge, but I don't claim to be absolute on everything. That is why I can accept Reach working because in every sci-fi universe, things always change as the years go on.

And I find it sad you think Bungie intentionally made Reach to piss us off, sorry they didn't please you, but you are jumping to the logic of a spiteful Sonic fanboy.

That's sad.


Like I said again, opinions.

I didn't care about Caboose's raging on Halo: Cyptum since it's proper canon since we needed know about Forerunners and other something. But I did care about Reach since Bungie itself said it was supposed to biggest hype since it's last Halo game that they will make. But It did reach to that? No. There's no perfect games that exists...

I'm thankful that Microsoft decided to leave Halo to hands of 343 Industries. It's better than nothing at all.





To clarify, Caboose didn't rage about Halo, it's the only Halo media he hasn't raged at.

  • 05.22.2011 12:05 AM PDT
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Hmm, I've found a happy medium to be honest.

I'll vote for number three, because I was pretty pleased with the original cannon [as set out in the previous games and books] It is my opinion that the story as laid out in the books was not in need of a an overhaul the scale that Reach delivered, granted that stories change as new or relevant information comes to light.

Furthermore, the game itself [story, setting, characters, etc] was somewhat lacking for a Bungie game. Gameplay-wise, the controls are tight, the game is fun, no qualms there [although level design, setting and mission structures are fairly average] but the story was undercooked, one must admit. It was not the Epic, Emotional, Serious homage to Halo and its community.

ODST captured more of the true Halo spirit, with exploration, discovery, humor, all mixed in with a great, fun and interesting overarching story and interesting, enjoyable characters.

The happy medium I mentioned at the beginning of my post was that I simply overlook the elements of the game I dislike. The story I like is the story I like. I still appreciate the effort that Bungie put forward with Reach, however.

I'm not going to lose anymore sleep over the game. It's out there now, we just gotta deal with it :)

-Ben

  • 05.22.2011 2:40 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Damn it Cobra, Reach is the only canon I really raged at, and a couple of other things in ODST that conflicted with Halo 2 and just common sense.

I've never raged at any novels, and certainly didn't rage at the original trilogy or Halo Wars.

  • 05.22.2011 3:52 AM PDT

Frank O'Connor said he doesn't think the Halo series needs to be taken in a radical new direction... it just needs to go "deeper"

"Ultimately the core game mechanic and strength of the universe doesn't need to be changed, it just needs to be taken deeper. We want to make Halo games - we don't want to make Call of Duty or Ridge Racer. We want to make Halo games because we understand what's special about Halo."

No.3.

It kind of pisses me off.

  • 05.22.2011 5:20 AM PDT
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Somewhere between 2 and 3 leaning more towards 3. While the problems in Reach aren't at "canon is ruined" levels some errors can be fixed with proper application of the age old loophole abuse and ONI did it copouts there are still conflicting issues with the game and book.

It wouldn't bother me as much if Bungie or 343 just came out and admitted they were rewriting the Battle of Reach but they either insist both fit perfectly or act as if nothing is wrong. Now to keep from calling the game or the book completely non canon we've been forced to cut and paste TfoR around Reach to fix this.

  • 05.22.2011 6:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99

No that your wrong, but for canon so unrepairable most of us can make pretty clear sense of it.[/quote]

Dude, there is no right or wrong in opinions. *facepalm*

Meaningless, I still stand with my choice of option #3. As other members of bungie such as grey, caboose, anton, etc will do same thing. Do you seriously think it can be fixed?

And you say that most of member here agree with option 2? Unlikely, since it's 33% only supported. Since 52% of polls said that it's canon breaker. (polls says it, not me) 33% of them consist of: Cmdr Deacon, you, Ordered Coma, Pipsboy3000 and few members here.

I find it doubtful. I'm pretty sure that most of people here just don't like Reach for obvious reasons.


The majority of people who have answered option No.3 have awful reasons. Whereas Grey or caboose actually have good reasons, many people have just said "I voted 3 because the POA is on reach"(which can be easily explained) or "I voted 3 because i dont like the story of reach".

I suggest you look over the reasons people put in place, many of them are just plain silly. I remember one guy voted 3 because the POA "was not rated for in-atmosphere and therefore would get crushed by its own weight" despite the POA being in-atmosphere in halo CE.



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  • 05.22.2011 8:05 AM PDT

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I voted for the 3rd.

Reason: Noble Team, their mere presence annoyed me.

These are not a Spartan Special Force Team in any way. It's like taking the whole image painted in Halo Canon on Spartan Mythology and then branding them "power rangers".

It's simply irreparable.


That is not a good reason at all.

If that's not a good reason, justify it.

How does Noble Team follow continuity in canon with the rest of the Spartan's Represented in the Novel?

It's easy to say one-liners in a disagreement: Explain.

  • 05.22.2011 8:33 AM PDT


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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: ninjakenzen
I voted for the 3rd.

Reason: Noble Team, their mere presence annoyed me.

These are not a Spartan Special Force Team in any way. It's like taking the whole image painted in Halo Canon on Spartan Mythology and then branding them "power rangers".

It's simply irreparable.


That is not a good reason at all.

If that's not a good reason, justify it.

How does Noble Team follow continuity in canon with the rest of the Spartan's Represented in the Novel?

It's easy to say one-liners in a disagreement: Explain.


Please, inform me how the novels have portrayed a Spartan III special forces team. I'm dying to know cause I've never read anything that did.

Likewise, you could explain why Noble Team tore a massive gaping hole in canon, instead of going "They annoyed me, so it's irreparable."

Edit: Amusing how you ask him to flesh out why he thinks your statement is not a good reason, yet you haven't fleshed out why it IS a good one.

[Edited on 05.22.2011 8:53 AM PDT]

  • 05.22.2011 8:37 AM PDT

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Find The Bomb?!
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The Battle of Reach was one day, for any other reason this is why Reach fails.

  • 05.22.2011 8:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I'm having no trouble connecting the dots with certain "broken" aspects of Hal: Reach compared to The Fall of Reach, so I'll go with 2.

  • 05.22.2011 8:59 AM PDT