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Subject: Your vote on Halo:Reach and the FOR Canon errors (3 options)


Posted by: YahwehFreak4evr
What about Halo: Reach canon > Fall of Reach canon? If I remember correctly Bungie did say something about video game canon trumping novel canon.


Yeah, they said that back around when CE came out, I think, not sure about the actual date, but it definitely came out long before Halo: Reach did.

Unfortunately nobody want to accept Bungie's own stance on the canon policy because then it means they have to accept Reach, which a lot of people don't want to do :/

  • 05.22.2011 9:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: ninjakenzen
I voted for the 3rd.

Reason: Noble Team, their mere presence annoyed me.

These are not a Spartan Special Force Team in any way. It's like taking the whole image painted in Halo Canon on Spartan Mythology and then branding them "power rangers".

It's simply irreparable.


That is not a good reason at all.


Its "good" enough for me...

  • 05.22.2011 9:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hey, they could have pulled a battlestar galactica and majorly change... pretty much everything including several main character genders...


The new battlestar was awesome and the new starbuck was fraking epic but hey haters gona hate right?

But on topic the biggest thing that halo reached changed about the story was only the last few pages of the book the fall of reach which isnt even the most important part of that book in my opinion . The important part of that book is how about how john and the other kids where forged into the Spartan 2s. That part of the book is completely intact. Any other glitches can be explained. I think bungie could have executed on explaining it better but its not as bad as some of you are making it out to be at least not the way I see it.

  • 05.22.2011 10:28 PM PDT


Posted by: SCmustang

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hey, they could have pulled a battlestar galactica and majorly change... pretty much everything including several main character genders...


The new battlestar was awesome and the new starbuck was fraking epic but hey haters gona hate right?


I wasn't hating. I haven't seen much of the new one to have an opinion beyond the truth I stated.

If you deny a lot of things were changed from the original to the new one, including several key characters gender... wow.(Note, not saying it was bad, just saying they did that.)

  • 05.22.2011 10:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SCmustang

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hey, they could have pulled a battlestar galactica and majorly change... pretty much everything including several main character genders...


The new battlestar was awesome and the new starbuck was fraking epic but hey haters gona hate right?


I wasn't hating. I haven't seen much of the new one to have an opinion beyond the truth I stated.

If you deny a lot of things were changed from the original to the new one, including several key characters gender... wow.(Note, not saying it was bad, just saying they did that.)


No I have seen the og version it was good for the 70's I think its 70's lol. But yea I know a lot was changed just about everything but the name of the show lol :)but I thought the change was the good kind just my 2 cents.

[Edited on 05.22.2011 10:50 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2011 10:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Raganok, your solution is interesting, bar two points I can think of now.

A: Nothing would be added to the overall lore.
B: Chief would be a primary character, something Bungie was trying to stress later on, Chief does not = halo.


We don't have to play as MasterChief again. We would play as a member of Blue Team, Red Team and some ODSTs only if Bungie learn how to actually listen the community...

Oh course the lore would be added because you would play as a member of red or blue team, learning more about backstory of them. Also additional perspective of ODSTs witnessing the horrors of Reach falling. Alas, in space battle over Reach would considered to additional to lore since you'd see super carrier, other types of ships; covenant supercruiser and intense battle of PoA against the supercruiser.

There is so many ways that can be implemented in the storyline while keeping to adding more "lore" to the halo universe.

Also, perhaps we would not mind if a mission or two, portraying as SPARTAN-III in top secret mission whereabouts that majority of UNSC does not know.

It's entirely possible to make successful campaign in a day; and also few days of ground skirmishes. Tis' not hard.

Otherwise the solution should be excellent, however. Feel free to disagree, although.

Anyways, I'll stand with option #3.

  • 05.23.2011 1:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.



This - like a crew scuttling a ship.

  • 05.23.2011 2:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.



This - like a crew scuttling a ship.


They spent 3 years on reach. It IS clear they put alot of work into it.

  • 05.23.2011 1:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.


Anybody, who knows ANYTHING about Bungie, would know how retarded that statement is.

  • 05.23.2011 2:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.


Anybody, who knows ANYTHING about Bungie, would know how retarded that statement is.


Indeed, why on Earth would anydeveloper do that? The very idea is totally absurd, especially when talking about Bungie, such an action would be completely out of character for them. The bored part might be a little true, but the rest of it is just plain dumb.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.


Anybody, who knows ANYTHING about Bungie, would know how retarded that statement is.


Indeed, why on Earth would anydeveloper do that? The very idea is totally absurd, especially when talking about Bungie, such an action would be completely out of character for them. The bored part might be a little true, but the rest of it is just plain dumb.


Not really, since their contract with the Halo franchise was about to be over; they only focused on multiplayer only. I don't think they did care about campaign, their purpose is to get lots of money before they move on to their new IP.



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  • 05.23.2011 2:48 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.


Anybody, who knows ANYTHING about Bungie, would know how retarded that statement is.


Indeed, why on Earth would anydeveloper do that? The very idea is totally absurd, especially when talking about Bungie, such an action would be completely out of character for them. The bored part might be a little true, but the rest of it is just plain dumb.


Not really, since their contract with the Halo franchise was about to be over; they only focused on multiplayer only. I don't think they did care about campaign, their purpose is to get lots of money before they move on to their new IP.



Um, doubtful. You see, unlike others who cannot accept canon changes, and thus blame it ALL on Bungie who MUST be trying to sabotage their creation...

I know Bungie and frankly, they love halo. Honestly, if they wanted to punch canon in the gut they would have done far more drastic things.

  • 05.23.2011 3:06 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

A Halo FPS without Jason Jones, Joe Staten, or Frankie is destined to fail.

  • 05.23.2011 3:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.



"Punching holes" in the canon of a book that is a decade old isn't as bad as you make it sound. Caboose found a few issues and I grant them as valid, but Reach hardly tears apart canon as we know it.

  • 05.23.2011 4:28 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.


Anybody, who knows ANYTHING about Bungie, would know how retarded that statement is.


Indeed, why on Earth would anydeveloper do that? The very idea is totally absurd, especially when talking about Bungie, such an action would be completely out of character for them. The bored part might be a little true, but the rest of it is just plain dumb.


Not really, since their contract with the Halo franchise was about to be over; they only focused on multiplayer only. I don't think they did care about campaign, their purpose is to get lots of money before they move on to their new IP.



Their contract ending has nothing to do with it. Why would they feel the urge to mess things up or not apply themselves because their contract was up? That's just stupid.

If they didn't care about the campaign, then why would they have included one or have put any sort work into it? Of course they'll have tried to get money from it, that's what any developer would do, that's their job they have families they have to provide food for and they have to pay bills just like the rest of us.

  • 05.23.2011 4:45 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Option 2; everything else is an over reaction.

  • 05.23.2011 6:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
A Halo FPS without Jason Jones, Joe Staten, or Frankie is destined to fail.


Who said there was one? I'm grateful Frank and some Bungie employees are going to be working on the next several halo games.

  • 05.24.2011 1:21 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
...canon as we know it.


This is exactly the reason any and all canon-related arguments against Reach, or any other Halo media fail.

We DON'T know canon. We have been given little snippets of information over the past decade, from totally different points of view, detailing different events that span 40 years. (not including ancient history)

We connect the dots and try to make sense of it all, but ultimately until all the gaps get filled in we can but guess.
This can be annoying at times, like a TV series having a mid-season break, but it keeps the franchise fresh and gives the developer more time to think up something awesome.
It also means there will be new Halo for a long time to come, something I am very glad of.

  • 05.24.2011 7:54 AM PDT

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yet.


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Some errors are minor retcons, others are huge inconsistencies that make the rest of the Halo timeline impossible. If the Covenant had been fighting on Reach for a month, Cole Protocol would have initiated and the data would be purged. Thus Blue Team wouldn't be sent to Gamma station, and so on and so forth.

Reach Rube Goldberg's the whole trilogy.

  • 05.24.2011 8:04 AM PDT

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yet.


Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
...canon as we know it.


This is exactly the reason any and all canon-related arguments against Reach, or any other Halo media fail.

We DON'T know canon. We have been given little snippets of information over the past decade, from totally different points of view, detailing different events that span 40 years. (not including ancient history)

We connect the dots and try to make sense of it all, but ultimately until all the gaps get filled in we can but guess.
This can be annoying at times, like a TV series having a mid-season break, but it keeps the franchise fresh and gives the developer more time to think up something awesome.
It also means there will be new Halo for a long time to come, something I am very glad of.

Except for the fact that most of the books are written in a God-perspective.

  • 05.24.2011 8:41 AM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
...canon as we know it.


This is exactly the reason any and all canon-related arguments against Reach, or any other Halo media fail.

We DON'T know canon. We have been given little snippets of information over the past decade, from totally different points of view, detailing different events that span 40 years. (not including ancient history)

We connect the dots and try to make sense of it all, but ultimately until all the gaps get filled in we can but guess.
This can be annoying at times, like a TV series having a mid-season break, but it keeps the franchise fresh and gives the developer more time to think up something awesome.
It also means there will be new Halo for a long time to come, something I am very glad of.

Except for the fact that most of the books are written in a God-perspective.


Or so we thought. We THOUGHT we knew about all the SPARTANs, but clearly we didn't.

They are written in a god-mode to an extent, but only regarding critical information required for the plot to progress. Anything we don't NEED to know isn't included.

  • 05.24.2011 8:56 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: privet caboose
A Halo FPS without Jason Jones, Joe Staten, or Frankie is destined to fail.


Who said there was one? I'm grateful Frank and some Bungie employees are going to be working on the next several halo games.


Joe, Jason, and Frankie had absolutely no part in Reach's development.

  • 05.24.2011 9:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.


Anybody, who knows ANYTHING about Bungie, would know how retarded that statement is.


Indeed, why on Earth would anydeveloper do that? The very idea is totally absurd, especially when talking about Bungie, such an action would be completely out of character for them. The bored part might be a little true, but the rest of it is just plain dumb.


Not really, since their contract with the Halo franchise was about to be over; they only focused on multiplayer only. I don't think they did care about campaign, their purpose is to get lots of money before they move on to their new IP.



Um, doubtful. You see, unlike others who cannot accept canon changes, and thus blame it ALL on Bungie who MUST be trying to sabotage their creation...

I know Bungie and frankly, they love halo. Honestly, if they wanted to punch canon in the gut they would have done far more drastic things.


You do not 'know' Bungie, what do you know about them beyond what we see in videos? I hate to keep using George Lucas as an example, but when it came to making the prequels he revealed he was a businessman first who couldn't give a flying toss about the story and just wanted the money. He only wanted to beat Titanic. Bungie have become much of the same.

  • 05.24.2011 9:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: raganok99

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
It seems to me, that Bungie got bored of Halo, decided to make a game that punched the canon in the face, and then did a runner, leaving 343I and the rest of the Halo comunity to pick up the pieces.


Anybody, who knows ANYTHING about Bungie, would know how retarded that statement is.


Indeed, why on Earth would anydeveloper do that? The very idea is totally absurd, especially when talking about Bungie, such an action would be completely out of character for them. The bored part might be a little true, but the rest of it is just plain dumb.


Not really, since their contract with the Halo franchise was about to be over; they only focused on multiplayer only. I don't think they did care about campaign, their purpose is to get lots of money before they move on to their new IP.



Um, doubtful. You see, unlike others who cannot accept canon changes, and thus blame it ALL on Bungie who MUST be trying to sabotage their creation...

I know Bungie and frankly, they love halo. Honestly, if they wanted to punch canon in the gut they would have done far more drastic things.


the difference is we have valid reasons for why we highly dislike the "changes" rather than blindly defending them off minor explanations, making up explanations, and excepting everything just because it is bungie.

The fact they even did something drastic as this is more than enough. And while i do understand we need people like you and coma to balance out arguments. We still shouldn't go around accepting everything bungie does because it is bungie.

That is no different than brown nosing.

  • 05.24.2011 9:31 AM PDT

A: I never saw the prequels as bad story...

B: If they wanted to destroy the canon to sabotage 343 (Which, on the contrary, Bungie has outright said they look forward to what 343 does in the future), they'd have done FAR, far worse.

Such as this, random thing me and my friends thought up.

Master Chief is female, and is a complete tool.
Cortana is a complete and utter -blam!-, whatever she says Master Chief does.
Keyes is covered in tattoos and piercings, with a hot-pink shaved mohawk and talks like a wannabe gangster.
Johnson doesn't cuss at all, and acts like a proper English gentlemen (talks like one too)
Halsey is young, rather naive, and extremely blonde.
343 guilty spark tells the full truth of what halo does to chief right as soon as he meets him.

and so on...


Still, I've yet to see proof/evidence of "Bungie doesn't care about the fans or halo anymore! All they want it money!" Besides people hating/disliking Reach.

Edit: Not defending Reach or such simply because it's from Bungie, it's simply I don't see these massive freaking errors you guys talk about. I care about canon, and have read most of the books. I simply don't see the issues as being that massive.

[Edited on 05.24.2011 9:37 AM PDT]

  • 05.24.2011 9:32 AM PDT