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Subject: Why john-117 is the best spartan.

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


Just you wait.

Obviously, most of us know that he was not the fastest spartan, he was not the strongest, the most agile, the smartest. He was average in almost everything for a spartan. Only thing he had that was very exceptional was luck and leadership skills. Even though kurt and fred we're equal to him in leadership. But you see guys what made him the best was because john does not know how to lose. When his mind is concluded that he will complete this mission or kill these covies, he does it and gets the job done. Idk when he's ever lost completely when he's in the middle of a mission.

Other spartans even that have superior skills have had their losses but john. John just never loses. Ever. He gets the job done and does it well. That's what makes him the best.

  • 05.21.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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aka luck aka a character shield.

I guess it does not change the fact but it is still lame.

  • 05.21.2011 2:45 PM PDT

How does a people "Know how to lose?" That seems like a retarded version of "He doesn't lose."

Besides, sounds like you are spouting stuff from that random poem...

  • 05.21.2011 2:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Read and comprehend the books, then you'll know why he's the best.

[Edited on 05.21.2011 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 05.21.2011 2:50 PM PDT

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


Just you wait.


Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Read and comprehend the books, then you'll know why he's the best.


Fool. What I said and the books say are the same. He just never ever loses no matter what. Even when it looks he's about to lose he doesn't anyway. The books say that and the fact that he has infinite luck. So you sir are a damned waste of my time so GTFO.

  • 05.21.2011 3:02 PM PDT


Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Read and comprehend the books, then you'll know why he's the best.


Fool. What I said and the books say are the same. He just never ever loses no matter what. Even when it looks he's about to lose he doesn't anyway. The books say that and the fact that he has infinite luck. So you sir are a damned waste of my time so GTFO.


Infinite Luck? what the hell...

I'm sorry, but I've read the books, and it's my opinion Chief was only the best due to Cortana and circumstance.

Without those two, he's simply among the best Spartans, but hardly "THE BEST" one.

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Actually, you're wrong. He was quick-witted, very fast, very agile, and one of the smartest. Fred always cam in a close second; Kelly was the fastest; Kurt was MIA.

He used what he had and never over-did it, that's why: he knew his insane limits.

  • 05.21.2011 3:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
Actually, you're wrong. He was quick-witted, very fast, very agile, and one of the smartest. Fred always cam in a close second; Kelly was the fastest; Kurt was MIA.

He used what he had and never over-did it, that's why: he knew his insane limits.


He wasn't the fastest, strongest, or smartest. (Agility would go with speed.)

Fred came in second for ONLY one reason, he didn't want the attention. Chief's comment directly implies Fred could have came in first in every contest if he truly wanted to. (Not, there is no proof that MC came in first in every contest.)

  • 05.21.2011 3:26 PM PDT

He is also the bravest according to Halsey...

  • 05.21.2011 6:00 PM PDT

He never lost? I can recall he always lost to Kurt's team in training exercises. John might be a good leader, but no the best. Kurt was.

All John has is Luck, which doesn't exist, just natural events that are in his favor.

  • 05.21.2011 8:09 PM PDT

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  • 05.21.2011 9:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
aka luck aka a character shield.

I guess it does not change the fact but it is still lame.

  • 05.21.2011 9:15 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
He never lost? I can recall he always lost to Kurt's team in training exercises. John might be a good leader, but no the best. Kurt was.

All John has is Luck, which doesn't exist, just natural events that are in his favor.


It never said he lost all the time, it said that Blue Team lost to Kurt's because of his innate sense to smell traps a mile away. But it never said they always lost to them. And Chief is the best leader, that's his area of expertise so to speak, like Kelly is the fastest, Linda is the best sniper, etc. John is the best leader. That's the whole reason why he was picked as the overall leader of the whole of the Spartans.

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Posted by: mojeda101
He never lost? I can recall he always lost to Kurt's team in training exercises. John might be a good leader, but no the best. Kurt was.

All John has is Luck, which doesn't exist, just natural events that are in his favor.

. That's the whole reason why he was picked as the overall leader of the whole of the Spartans.


To be honest Kurt was more of a leader than john, not to mention fred could be #1 if he wanted to. But i am not going to post in this anymore since this isn't my type of thread.

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The only reason John is the best Spartan is Cortana. Without Cortana he would never have accomplished what he did. Without Cortana (among other things) he would have been the moron who fired Halo and wiped out humanity.

Chief was good, no doubt about it, but so were the other Spartans. Also, what's with the whole "not knowing how to lose" thing? All the Spartans were exceptional warriors with the same mentality.

  • 05.21.2011 9:48 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: mojeda101
He never lost? I can recall he always lost to Kurt's team in training exercises. John might be a good leader, but no the best. Kurt was.

All John has is Luck, which doesn't exist, just natural events that are in his favor.

. That's the whole reason why he was picked as the overall leader of the whole of the Spartans.


To be honest Kurt was more of a leader than john, not to mention fred could be #1 if he wanted to. But i am not going to post in this anymore since this isn't my type of thread.


Agreed. Obviously he was simply doing a damn good job.

  • 05.21.2011 11:11 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

During his training, Kurt quickly proved himself to be considered one of the program's top candidates. Both Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez identified him as one of four emerging leaders within the Spartan-II group, along with Jerome-092, Frederic-104, and John-117. Chief Mendez expressed his belief the most strongly in Kurt as having the skills to lead the entire Spartan-II group, although Halsey disagreed, instead believing John would fulfill that role.

Favoritism much?

  • 05.22.2011 2:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
During his training, Kurt quickly proved himself to be considered one of the program's top candidates. Both Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez identified him as one of four emerging leaders within the Spartan-II group, along with Jerome-092, Frederic-104, and John-117. Chief Mendez expressed his belief the most strongly in Kurt as having the skills to lead the entire Spartan-II group, although Halsey disagreed, instead believing John would fulfill that role.

Favoritism much?


Yet it really happened like she predicted,if Kurt was a better leader then he would have lead the SII's and not John.

  • 05.22.2011 2:56 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
During his training, Kurt quickly proved himself to be considered one of the program's top candidates. Both Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez identified him as one of four emerging leaders within the Spartan-II group, along with Jerome-092, Frederic-104, and John-117. Chief Mendez expressed his belief the most strongly in Kurt as having the skills to lead the entire Spartan-II group, although Halsey disagreed, instead believing John would fulfill that role.

Favoritism much?


Yet it really happened like she predicted,if Kurt was a better leader then he would have lead the SII's instead of John.


Truth is, Kurt was as good if not better than John at leading(hence why he was chosen to train the Spartan III's as opposed to John or anybody else for that matter), Green Team often defeated Blue Team (because of his ability to sniffle out traps), but he was the leader of it and thus, the victory could be attributed to him.

Besides, unlike John, Kurt actually spent time socializing, getting to know other people well. If memory serves me right, John was uneasy because Kurt was too much of a socializer and he thought that may affect his concentration. What kind of leader distrusts those under his/her command? I mean I would get it if they never had any sort of interaction, but they practically grew up together for christ's sake. Anyways, returning to the uneasy thing, by the end of the day, Kurt was the one that ended up saving John, Kelly, Fred and Linda's ass because he was the only one with enough common sense to avoid an (obvious) trap.

Besides, the members of his team trusted his actions and decisions because of his (yet again mentioned) "Sixth sense" add that to his care for them (something that was increased as he trained the Spartan III's, whom one could consider his "sons and daughters) and you get a terrific leader.

  • 05.22.2011 4:11 AM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
During his training, Kurt quickly proved himself to be considered one of the program's top candidates. Both Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez identified him as one of four emerging leaders within the Spartan-II group, along with Jerome-092, Frederic-104, and John-117. Chief Mendez expressed his belief the most strongly in Kurt as having the skills to lead the entire Spartan-II group, although Halsey disagreed, instead believing John would fulfill that role.

Favoritism much?


Yet it really happened like she predicted,if Kurt was a better leader then he would have lead the SII's instead of John.


Truth is, Kurt was as good if not better than John at leading(hence why he was chosen to train the Spartan III's as opposed to John or anybody else for that matter), Green Team often defeated Blue Team (because of his ability to sniffle out traps), but he was the leader of it and thus, the victory could be attributed to him.

Besides, unlike John, Kurt actually spent time socializing, getting to know other people well. If memory serves me right, John was uneasy because Kurt was too much of a socializer and he thought that may affect his concentration. What kind of leader distrusts those under his/her command? I mean I would get it if they never had any sort of interaction, but they practically grew up together for christ's sake. Anyways, returning to the uneasy thing, by the end of the day, Kurt was the one that ended up saving John, Kelly, Fred and Linda's ass because he was the only one with enough common sense to avoid an (obvious) trap.

Besides, the members of his team trusted his actions and decisions because of his (yet again mentioned) "Sixth sense" add that to his care for them (something that was increased as he trained the Spartan III's, whom one could consider his "sons and daughters) and you get a terrific leader.


Logic: +1
John-117 Fangaiz: -0

  • 05.22.2011 6:56 AM PDT

Can't win an arguement?
Correct their grammer instead

Luck is the best thing to have, it even beats skill.

  • 05.22.2011 7:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
During his training, Kurt quickly proved himself to be considered one of the program's top candidates. Both Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez identified him as one of four emerging leaders within the Spartan-II group, along with Jerome-092, Frederic-104, and John-117. Chief Mendez expressed his belief the most strongly in Kurt as having the skills to lead the entire Spartan-II group, although Halsey disagreed, instead believing John would fulfill that role.

Favoritism much?


Yet it really happened like she predicted,if Kurt was a better leader then he would have lead the SII's instead of John.


Truth is, Kurt was as good if not better than John at leading(hence why he was chosen to train the Spartan III's as opposed to John or anybody else for that matter), Green Team often defeated Blue Team (because of his ability to sniffle out traps), but he was the leader of it and thus, the victory could be attributed to him.

Besides, unlike John, Kurt actually spent time socializing, getting to know other people well. If memory serves me right, John was uneasy because Kurt was too much of a socializer and he thought that may affect his concentration. What kind of leader distrusts those under his/her command? I mean I would get it if they never had any sort of interaction, but they practically grew up together for christ's sake. Anyways, returning to the uneasy thing, by the end of the day, Kurt was the one that ended up saving John, Kelly, Fred and Linda's ass because he was the only one with enough common sense to avoid an (obvious) trap.

Besides, the members of his team trusted his actions and decisions because of his (yet again mentioned) "Sixth sense" add that to his care for them (something that was increased as he trained the Spartan III's, whom one could consider his "sons and daughters) and you get a terrific leader.


-Training new Spartans isn't the same as leading .
And again his sixth sense has nothing to do with leadership qualities,he didn't beat the other team with his leadership,it was with his trap smells.
Learn the difference between the two before making any claims.

-So?Kurts behavior was a bit non spartan behavior,i mean who would want to talk with "ONI freaks"?No he was uneasy because of Kurts weird feelings with the traps.Wouldn't you be uneasy if someone feels hell coming but you can't?So what,the SII's didn't trusted the twitchy behavior of the SIII's neither.And?that doesn't proves anything

-Many squad members trust their leader,including John.Why else did he lead the SII's in the forest,if they never trusted him then they wouldn't have followed him into the unyielding hierophant right?

His love for his SIII's became his downfall,he was willing to sacrifise the entire Human race just for a few squads,and he blindely charged towards a Hunter pair which lead to his near death experience,all of this because of his blind love for the SIII's squads.

@Pred

Stop insult people who defend the Chief,your hate for the Chief in this forums annoys me.Fine,go hate the rabid Chief fanboys,but stop acting like that to others.

  • 05.22.2011 7:32 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
-Training new Spartans isn't the same as leading .
And again his sixth sense has nothing to do with leadership qualities,he didn't beat the other team with his leadership,it was with his trap smells.
Learn the difference between the two before making any claims.

-So?Kurts behavior was a bit non spartan behavior,i mean who would want to talk with "ONI freaks"?No he was uneasy because of Kurts weird feelings with the traps.Wouldn't you be uneasy if someone feels hell coming but you can't?So what,the SII's didn't trusted the twitchy behavior of the SIII's neither.And?that doesn't proves anything

-Many squad members trust their leader,including John.Why else did he lead the SII's in the forest,if they never trusted him then they wouldn't have followed him into the unyielding hierophant right?

His love for his SIII's became his downfall,he was willing to sacrifise the entire Human race just for a few squads,and he blindely charged towards a Hunter pair which lead to his near death experience,all of this because of his blind love for the SIII's squads.

@Pred

Stop insult people who defend the Chief,your hate for the Chief in this forums annoys me.Fine,go hate the rabid Chief fanboys,but stop acting like that to others.


Implying Chief wouldn't have done the same thing for this squadmates as well...

Sacrifice the entire human race? Whut? When the hell did Kurt go "-blam!- humanity, I'm saving this single squad."

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: hotshot revan II
-Training new Spartans isn't the same as leading .
And again his sixth sense has nothing to do with leadership qualities,he didn't beat the other team with his leadership,it was with his trap smells.
Learn the difference between the two before making any claims.

-So?Kurts behavior was a bit non spartan behavior,i mean who would want to talk with "ONI freaks"?No he was uneasy because of Kurts weird feelings with the traps.Wouldn't you be uneasy if someone feels hell coming but you can't?So what,the SII's didn't trusted the twitchy behavior of the SIII's neither.And?that doesn't proves anything

-Many squad members trust their leader,including John.Why else did he lead the SII's in the forest,if they never trusted him then they wouldn't have followed him into the unyielding hierophant right?

His love for his SIII's became his downfall,he was willing to sacrifise the entire Human race just for a few squads,and he blindely charged towards a Hunter pair which lead to his near death experience,all of this because of his blind love for the SIII's squads.

@Pred

Stop insult people who defend the Chief,your hate for the Chief in this forums annoys me.Fine,go hate the rabid Chief fanboys,but stop acting like that to others.


Implying Chief wouldn't have done the same thing for this squadmates as well...

Sacrifice the entire human race? Whut? When the hell did Kurt go "-blam!- humanity, I'm saving this single squad."




-I don't have the book with me,but it was near the end when he said that he would choose his squad over saving humanity.Something like that

  • 05.22.2011 7:45 AM PDT

jhon is the best spartans because he saved earth from getting destroyed

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