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Subject: Why john-117 is the best spartan.

Kurt, according to John, originally made him uneasy. He did this by taking a lot of time to get to know his teammates on a more personal level. Other Spartan-IIs (besides Samuel-034) did not care for "friends" as much as he did.

Just to clear up the uneasy bit.

Haven't found that quote you mentioned yet...

  • 05.22.2011 7:54 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Kurt, according to John, originally made him uneasy. He did this by taking a lot of time to get to know his teammates on a more personal level. Other Spartan-IIs (besides Samuel-034) did not care for "friends" as much as he did.

Just to clear up the uneasy bit.

Haven't found that quote you mentioned yet...



It's on 335,just checked on amazon

  • 05.22.2011 7:57 AM PDT

"Find The Bomb?!
Find The Bomb?!
I'm Looking For The Flag!
What The Heck Is Assualt!?"

Although individuals may not be the strongest, fastest or smartest that doesn't make you the best at combat.

In today's theaters of war the strongest marine is not any better at shooting his rifle than one a little weaker. In combat it is not about singular abilities, but rather combat experience and ability to perform.

John, although, said prior, not the greatest at a single field, was a mesh along with being a man with a mind set upon the single idea of killing. He was strong enough and fast enough that his still exceptionally intelligent mind could find the best way to place a bullet within an enemies head.

Along with this he has the mindset of someone who does not look at situations as problems, but as solutions.

Stranded on unknown world with no reinforcements? Personally rescue marines and co-ordinate resistance into covenant force's heart.

Teleported and surrounded by zombies? Kill em all.

Suddenly stranded alone in high charity courtesy of a giant zombie thing, looks like a great opportunity to kill the heads of command of the covenant.

Simply his mindset and combat skills are what make John the most effective spartan. Because he doesn't need to be able to throw that truck into the oncoming banshee, he was smart enough to still have a spartan laser to do it for him.

Unless you play the games on easy, in which case, he sucks, you suck, and the covenant sucks.

  • 05.22.2011 8:02 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Kurt, according to John, originally made him uneasy. He did this by taking a lot of time to get to know his teammates on a more personal level. Other Spartan-IIs (besides Samuel-034) did not care for "friends" as much as he did.

Just to clear up the uneasy bit.

Haven't found that quote you mentioned yet...



It's on 335,just checked on amazon


Just read it, that line reflects nothing on Kurts leadership. It just shows he holds friends, family, and teammates higher then humanity.

You honestly think John would allow his team to die just to save the UNSC?

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Kurt, according to John, originally made him uneasy. He did this by taking a lot of time to get to know his teammates on a more personal level. Other Spartan-IIs (besides Samuel-034) did not care for "friends" as much as he did.

Just to clear up the uneasy bit.

Haven't found that quote you mentioned yet...



It's on 335,just checked on amazon


Just read it, that line reflects nothing on Kurts leadership. It just shows he holds friends, family, and teammates higher then humanity.

You honestly think John would allow his team to die just to save the UNSC?


True,but my point was to show that blindely loving your squad members above an entire race isn't a good thing.

-I think yes,cause in FS he said he would be willing to sacrifise himself and the team to safe Earth from the hierophant fleet.

  • 05.22.2011 8:24 AM PDT

Whatever said Kurt was 'blindly loving'. He was simply loyal.

The only 'stupid' thing he did on Onyx was when he took SPI over MJOLNIR Mark IV. That was it.

Course, you could say Halsey was stupid as well then, as she'd do anything to save the Spartans. Was she 'blindly loving?'

  • 05.22.2011 8:33 AM PDT

He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark

  • 05.22.2011 9:05 AM PDT


Posted by: jvc8996
He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark


Didn't blow up the ark.

  • 05.22.2011 9:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark


Didn't blow up the ark.


The explosion of the unfinished halo ring blew up the ark. Cortana and spark even said this. Play halo 3 and find out yourself.

  • 05.22.2011 10:46 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Read and comprehend the books, then you'll know why he's the best.

  • 05.22.2011 10:48 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
During his training, Kurt quickly proved himself to be considered one of the program's top candidates. Both Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez identified him as one of four emerging leaders within the Spartan-II group, along with Jerome-092, Frederic-104, and John-117. Chief Mendez expressed his belief the most strongly in Kurt as having the skills to lead the entire Spartan-II group, although Halsey disagreed, instead believing John would fulfill that role.

Favoritism much?


Yet it really happened like she predicted,if Kurt was a better leader then he would have lead the SII's instead of John.


Truth is, Kurt was as good if not better than John at leading(hence why he was chosen to train the Spartan III's as opposed to John or anybody else for that matter), Green Team often defeated Blue Team (because of his ability to sniffle out traps), but he was the leader of it and thus, the victory could be attributed to him.

Besides, unlike John, Kurt actually spent time socializing, getting to know other people well. If memory serves me right, John was uneasy because Kurt was too much of a socializer and he thought that may affect his concentration. What kind of leader distrusts those under his/her command? I mean I would get it if they never had any sort of interaction, but they practically grew up together for christ's sake. Anyways, returning to the uneasy thing, by the end of the day, Kurt was the one that ended up saving John, Kelly, Fred and Linda's ass because he was the only one with enough common sense to avoid an (obvious) trap.

Besides, the members of his team trusted his actions and decisions because of his (yet again mentioned) "Sixth sense" add that to his care for them (something that was increased as he trained the Spartan III's, whom one could consider his "sons and daughters) and you get a terrific leader.


-Training new Spartans isn't the same as leading .
And again his sixth sense has nothing to do with leadership qualities,he didn't beat the other team with his leadership,it was with his trap smells.
Learn the difference between the two before making any claims.

-So?Kurts behavior was a bit non spartan behavior,i mean who would want to talk with "ONI freaks"?No he was uneasy because of Kurts weird feelings with the traps.Wouldn't you be uneasy if someone feels hell coming but you can't?So what,the SII's didn't trusted the twitchy behavior of the SIII's neither.And?that doesn't proves anything.


John had mixed feelings about using SPARTAN-051, Kurt, as Sam's replacement on
Blue Team. On the one hand, he was an extremely capable Spartan. Chief Mendez had
routinely given him command of Green Team during training exercises, and Kurt had often
won when facing John's Blue Team. But on the other hand, he was, for a Spartan,
undisciplined. He took time to talk with every Spartan, and even the non-Spartan personnel
that trained and supplied them. As a professional soldier in the middle of two wars, one
fighting an entrenched rebellion, the other taking on a technologically superior xenophobic
alien race, Kurt spent a considerable amount of time and energy making friends.

"Move," John told his team.
Kurt hesitated, eyes still fixed on the monitors.
"What?" John asked.
"A funny feeling," Kurt whispered.
This worried John. Everyone had performed flawlessly, and there were no signs the
enemy had reacted to their presence. But Kurt had a reputation for sniffing out ambushes.
John had been on the receiving end of Kurt's intuition several times during training.

John felt uneasy around him because of his ability and his social behavior.

  • 05.22.2011 10:52 AM PDT


Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark


Didn't blow up the ark.


The explosion of the unfinished halo ring blew up the ark. Cortana and spark even said this. Play halo 3 and find out yourself.


No, Spark only said it could destroy the Ark. And Cortana's line about it in the Legendary ending is "the explosion did a number on the Ark" she doesn't say it was destroyed, granted that quote means it could have been destroyed, but I don't think so, they only heavily damaged the Ark.

  • 05.22.2011 11:04 AM PDT


Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark


Didn't blow up the ark.


The explosion of the unfinished halo ring blew up the ark. Cortana and spark even said this. Play halo 3 and find out yourself.


Actually, neither said so.

343 said it could damage the Ark, and Cortana said "It did a number on the Ark."

The ark is damaged, not destroyed.


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Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Read and comprehend the books, then you'll know why he's the best.


Um, if you read and comprehend the books, you'll know he's among the best Spartans. Perhaps not the best, but among them.

It never says he's the best besides Halseys slightly biased opinion.

  • 05.22.2011 11:07 AM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark


Didn't blow up the ark.


The explosion of the unfinished halo ring blew up the ark. Cortana and spark even said this. Play halo 3 and find out yourself.


No, Spark only said it could destroy the Ark. And Cortana's line about it in the Legendary ending is "the explosion did a number on the Ark" she doesn't say it was destroyed, granted that quote means it could have been destroyed, but I don't think so, they only heavily damaged the Ark.


Knowing the extent of the Forerunner's technological capabilities it shouldn't be much of a problem for the machines of the Ark to have it up and running better than new in a few days.

  • 05.22.2011 8:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark


Didn't blow up the ark.


The explosion of the unfinished halo ring blew up the ark. Cortana and spark even said this. Play halo 3 and find out yourself.


Actually, neither said so.

343 said it could damage the Ark, and Cortana said "It did a number on the Ark."

The ark is damaged, not destroyed.


Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Read and comprehend the books, then you'll know why he's the best.


Um, if you read and comprehend the books, you'll know he's among the best Spartans. Perhaps not the best, but among them.

It never says he's the best besides Halseys slightly biased opinion.


I wasn't talking to you.

  • 05.22.2011 9:08 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: antonio the bomb

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
He also always goes out with a bang - literally

Halo 1: blew up Installation 04
Halo 2: blew up covenant assault carrier with their own bomb
Halo 3: blew up the build-in-process ring along with the ark


Didn't blow up the ark.


The explosion of the unfinished halo ring blew up the ark. Cortana and spark even said this. Play halo 3 and find out yourself.


No, Spark only said it could destroy the Ark. And Cortana's line about it in the Legendary ending is "the explosion did a number on the Ark" she doesn't say it was destroyed, granted that quote means it could have been destroyed, but I don't think so, they only heavily damaged the Ark.


Knowing the extent of the Forerunner's technological capabilities it shouldn't be much of a problem for the machines of the Ark to have it up and running better than new in a few days.


Quite possible, I know that they definitely didn't destroy it, that's for sure.

  • 05.22.2011 9:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Actually, you're wrong. He was quick-witted, very fast, very agile, and one of the smartest. Fred always cam in a close second; Kelly was the fastest; Kurt was MIA.

He used what he had and never over-did it, that's why: he knew his insane limits.


He wasn't the fastest, strongest, or smartest. (Agility would go with speed.)

Fred came in second for ONLY one reason, he didn't want the attention. Chief's comment directly implies Fred could have came in first in every contest if he truly wanted to. (Not, there is no proof that MC came in first in every contest.)


I didn't say the fastest, or anything else with the taking forward place, did I? No, I just said he was very fast and such. I never said he didn't win every battle because I know that the books clearly say that Blue Team lost to Green and Red Teams oftentimes. IT's just something to say that he was amongst the top of his class. Fred could've been the first, had he wanted the attention. Kelly was the first in her speed and such.

  • 05.23.2011 3:44 PM PDT

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