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Subject: Should their be a HALO game with Jun making a return?


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Guess what? You've just said they should disown the writer of Fall of Reach.

He helped with the writing of Reach, specifically that of the journal. If they disown Halo Reach and related items (Including the journal) then they also disown The Fall of Reach, and other Halo novels by Eric Nylund.

It's not Nylund's fault he had to try and make excuses to explain the ass-pull plot that the Reach writers made.


That doesn't mean he's exempt from your disowning. He was part of the writing of the Reach game and/or materials, therefore ALL of his works must be disowned according to your line.

Bye Bye Fall of Reach, First Strike, and anything else he did in Halo.

  • 05.22.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hurr durr I am captain literal derp.

Get off my nuts kid. Defending Reach won't change just how horribly it failed when put to the standards of the previous games.

  • 05.22.2011 8:24 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Guess what? You've just said they should disown the writer of Fall of Reach.

He helped with the writing of Reach, specifically that of the journal. If they disown Halo Reach and related items (Including the journal) then they also disown The Fall of Reach, and other Halo novels by Eric Nylund.

It's not Nylund's fault he had to try and make excuses to explain the ass-pull plot that the Reach writers made.


He could have denied to work with the "so horrible excuse of a plot" that Reach has, but no, he agreed to work with them, so he is also responsible for it.

  • 05.22.2011 8:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
He could have denied to work with the "so horrible excuse of a plot" that Reach has, but no, he agreed to work with them, so he is also responsible for it.

Is there any proof that Nylund was any more involved in Reach than he was with CE? All he really did was serve as a source of advice for Staten and Jones when it came to writing the HSB. I understand that he had involvement, but I don't exactly see ViDocs of him sitting down at the table with the writers that botched Reach up so badly.

  • 05.22.2011 8:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Hurr Durr I hate Reach blindly and refuse to accept any other viewpoints.


Two can play that game.

Anyway, Reach didn't fail horribly compared to the other games.

Sure, it may to you, but frankly I haven't seen a single post from you that didn't involve blind rapid hatred of Reach. You see, Caboose I can respect in a way, maybe even others. Why? Cause they don't come off 24/7 as gnawing on Reach with sheer rage.

  • 05.22.2011 8:50 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
I don't think there has been anything that has divided this forum quite so much as what Reach has done.


I think I'd be very much in agreement with you there, Anton. Reach would be what TV Tropes calls a base breaker.

  • 05.22.2011 9:33 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: anton1792
I don't think there has been anything that has divided this forum quite so much as what Reach has done.


I think I'd be very much in agreement with you there, Anton. Reach would be what TV Tropes calls a base breaker.


Let me guess, Noble Six...

  • 05.22.2011 9:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: anton1792
I don't think there has been anything that has divided this forum quite so much as what Reach has done.


I think I'd be very much in agreement with you there, Anton. Reach would be what TV Tropes calls a base breaker.


Let me guess, Noble Six...


What about Noble Six?

  • 05.22.2011 9:39 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: anton1792
I don't think there has been anything that has divided this forum quite so much as what Reach has done.


I think I'd be very much in agreement with you there, Anton. Reach would be what TV Tropes calls a base breaker.


Let me guess, Noble Six...


What about Noble Six?


He's thinks that you're referring to Six as the BaseBreaker.

  • 05.22.2011 9:48 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

Please don't do it to us !!! No more Noblem Team and 100% no more Jun. Jun could die on the way to CASTLE base and not one member of the Halo community would care.

A prequal with Jorge would go down better.

  • 05.23.2011 5:49 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Richomack360
Please don't do it to us !!! No more Noblem Team and 100% no more Jun. Jun could die on the way to CASTLE base and not one member of the Halo community would care.

A prequal with Jorge would go down better.


I want to know what happens to Jun, as well as other members do, so speak for yourself.

  • 05.23.2011 5:53 AM PDT

how about not another game, just DLC for Reach showing what happened to Jun after he left Noble. beats the hell out of the stupid map packs that always appear for games!

  • 05.23.2011 6:07 AM PDT
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Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
how about not another game, just DLC for Reach showing what happened to Jun after he left Noble. beats the hell out of the stupid map packs that always appear for games!


bungie can't think of anything to do for DLC other than MP maps, which is another reason i dislike them.

This along with a prequel game on NOBLE team is a good idea.

  • 05.23.2011 7:00 AM PDT


Posted by: Richomack360
Please don't do it to us !!! No more Noblem Team and 100% no more Jun. Jun could die on the way to CASTLE base and not one member of the Halo community would care.

A prequal with Jorge would go down better.


I want to know what happened to Jun, so speak for yourself.

  • 05.23.2011 7:43 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Richomack360
Please don't do it to us !!! No more Noblem Team and 100% no more Jun. Jun could die on the way to CASTLE base and not one member of the Halo community would care.

A prequal with Jorge would go down better.


I want to know what happened to Jun, so speak for yourself.


No, I would rather jump to conclusions.....and guess that nobody actually cares about a 2D character.

Worst character since Shaq decided to appear in Shaq Fu.

  • 05.23.2011 8:30 AM PDT

It takes a real man to back down from a fight, but it takes a spartan to finish it!


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Posted by: anton1792
What the hell is fist full of arrows?

Fanmade comic from someone named Levethian on Bungie.org

I see. Well unless 343I wants a fist full of lawsuits then fan made material cannot become a part of the franchise. It is for this reason that they do not accept fan ideas about Halo 4 or whatever people can dream up and email.

Dumbest thing I've ever seen on this forum...

  • 05.23.2011 2:18 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: pwnisouras
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Posted by: anton1792
What the hell is fist full of arrows?

Fanmade comic from someone named Levethian on Bungie.org

I see. Well unless 343I wants a fist full of lawsuits then fan made material cannot become a part of the franchise. It is for this reason that they do not accept fan ideas about Halo 4 or whatever people can dream up and email.

Dumbest thing I've ever seen on this forum...

You should probably take it up with 343 Industries then.

Microsoft or any of its employees do not accept or consider unsolicited ideas, including ideas for new advertising campaigns, new promotions, new products or technologies, processes, materials, marketing plans or new product names. Please do not send any original creative artwork, samples, demos, or other works. The sole purpose of this policy is to avoid potential misunderstandings or disputes when Microsoft's products or marketing strategies might seem similar to ideas submitted to Microsoft. So, please do not send your unsolicited ideas to Microsoft or anyone at Microsoft. If, despite our request that you not send us your ideas and materials, you still send them, please understand the Microsoft makes no assurances that your ideas and materials will be treated as confidential or proprietary.
Fan material does not get made canon.

  • 05.23.2011 2:46 PM PDT

It takes a real man to back down from a fight, but it takes a spartan to finish it!


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: pwnisouras
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Posted by: anton1792
What the hell is fist full of arrows?

Fanmade comic from someone named Levethian on Bungie.org

I see. Well unless 343I wants a fist full of lawsuits then fan made material cannot become a part of the franchise. It is for this reason that they do not accept fan ideas about Halo 4 or whatever people can dream up and email.

Dumbest thing I've ever seen on this forum...

You should probably take it up with 343 Industries then.

Microsoft or any of its employees do not accept or consider unsolicited ideas, including ideas for new advertising campaigns, new promotions, new products or technologies, processes, materials, marketing plans or new product names. Please do not send any original creative artwork, samples, demos, or other works. The sole purpose of this policy is to avoid potential misunderstandings or disputes when Microsoft's products or marketing strategies might seem similar to ideas submitted to Microsoft. So, please do not send your unsolicited ideas to Microsoft or anyone at Microsoft. If, despite our request that you not send us your ideas and materials, you still send them, please understand the Microsoft makes no assurances that your ideas and materials will be treated as confidential or proprietary.
Fan material does not get made canon.

lol thats if you send it too then Im sure if 343 paid to use the comic as cannon there would be no problem

  • 05.23.2011 3:16 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: pwnisouras
lol thats if you send it too then Im sure if 343 paid to use the comic as cannon there would be no problem


Microsoft or any of its employees do not accept or consider unsolicited ideas
They will not consider it. The wording has an "or" in there, meaning that they will not accept it if you send it in, but also in general they will not consider any unsolicited material. If it said "and" then you may have had a point but it is an "or". So they will not accept anything, nor will they consider anything regardless of whether it is sent in to them or not.

  • 05.23.2011 3:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
No. Noble Team are the worst characters in Halo, all of them are bland and sterile archetypes with no true purpose in the Halo universe beyond the last 2 missions of Reach. I hope we never see them again, I'm happy to accept Jun dying en route to CASTLE off-screen.
Agreed.

  • 05.23.2011 4:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Richomack360
Please don't do it to us !!! No more Noblem Team and 100% no more Jun. Jun could die on the way to CASTLE base and not one member of the Halo community would care.

A prequal with Jorge would go down better.


I want to know what happened to Jun, so speak for yourself.


No, I would rather jump to conclusions.....and guess that nobody actually cares about a 2D character.

Worst character since Shaq decided to appear in Shaq Fu.


Your opinion, I'm not really going to fight you over it, all I will say is I entirely disagree with you.

I don't really care about Jun's character one way or the other, but I do want to know what ultimately happens to him.

  • 05.23.2011 5:11 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Richomack360
Please don't do it to us !!! No more Noblem Team and 100% no more Jun. Jun could die on the way to CASTLE base and not one member of the Halo community would care.

A prequal with Jorge would go down better.


I want to know what happened to Jun, so speak for yourself.


No, I would rather jump to conclusions.....and guess that nobody actually cares about a 2D character.

Worst character since Shaq decided to appear in Shaq Fu.


Your opinion, I'm not really going to fight you over it, all I will say is I entirely disagree with you.

I don't really care about Jun's character one way or the other, but I do want to know what ultimately happens to him.


Indeed, was just displaying the Jeremy Clarkson in me - regarding Jun, would an animated short like Mona Lisa, The Return suffice or would it be best to have a mini campaign ?

  • 05.24.2011 12:14 AM PDT

I would be fine with a Reach expansion pack focussing on Jun and Halsey.

This would mean it would play differently from the main game. Much like how ODST was set up opposed to H3. It would be more stealthy, with the occasional big fight when you encounter some of the last pockets of UNSC troops fighting the Covies.

Reach would be doomed and burning at this point. The vibe would be a lot more macabre and dark opposed to Reach'. Also: such a campaign with Halsey walking around with an Spartan 3 would open the doors to more backstory.
Halsey would want to know about Jun and the S3's, so cutscenes would probably revolve a lot around Halsey trying to get that info from Jun.
Add the fact that Jun is primarily a Sniper, so big battles would be something you want to avoid. As for the story: add a storyline of the Elite Zealots as they will litterally stalk and hunt you throughout the game, with Jun dying at the end after he delivered Hasley to Blue Team, before they go to CASTLE Base, and all the remaining Spartans fight in a last stand before retreating there where the Covies can't find them.

So in short: a mini campaign, the lenght of ODST's and focussing on Jun with slightly different, more stealthy gameplay in a darker more personal mood would be great.

Slap a new multiplayer mode on top of it, bring back ODST style Firefight (with matchmaking!) and sell it for 40 euros/$, just like they did with ODST (in Europe at least).

[Edited on 05.24.2011 7:22 AM PDT]

  • 05.24.2011 7:17 AM PDT
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Something I feel I should bring to attention: A comic's being made about what happens to Jun. It's called A Fistful of Arrows.

[Edited on 05.24.2011 8:30 AM PDT]

  • 05.24.2011 8:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Guess what? You've just said they should disown the writer of Fall of Reach.

He helped with the writing of Reach, specifically that of the journal. If they disown Halo Reach and related items (Including the journal) then they also disown The Fall of Reach, and other Halo novels by Eric Nylund.

It's not Nylund's fault he had to try and make excuses to explain the ass-pull plot that the Reach writers made.


He could have denied to work with the "so horrible excuse of a plot" that Reach has, but no, he agreed to work with them, so he is also responsible for it.


It's like the SW prequels, the writing was so awful but the other support writers were in no position to challenge Lucas because they're all scared and confused.

  • 05.24.2011 9:16 AM PDT

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