Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: question on the UNSC control
  • Subject: question on the UNSC control
Subject: question on the UNSC control
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

If they saw the innies as such a threat why didn't they just create a government for them?


This is a rough idea you guys can help me with. But basically it would still fall under UNSC command. But it would control and represent the outer colonies.

As UNSC space expanded what was once "outer" would be considered innner as space expanded. This way the innie gov would never become redundant.

  • 05.25.2011 6:02 PM PDT

XxXD3LuuX3 X luuC1d17YXxX

The Insurectionists would never have accepted a puppet government, they wanted total freedom.

[Edited on 05.25.2011 6:05 PM PDT]

  • 05.25.2011 6:05 PM PDT

Have you seen my mind anywhere? I seem to have lost it...

0x0 x0x 0x0 000 000 x0x 000
x0x 0x0 0x0 0xx 000 0x0 000
x0x x0x x00 0xx 0x0 x0x 0x0

I have seen you future

Puppet governments never work, just look at India, France during WWII or Vietnam.

  • 05.25.2011 6:08 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I am trying to work out a system to were they wouldn't be fighting each other whatsoever.

  • 05.25.2011 6:14 PM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

Fear the Red Comet

Variety is the spice of life.
Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: grey101
I am trying to work out a system to were they wouldn't be fighting each other whatsoever.


The only way would be to grant them full freedom.

  • 05.25.2011 6:19 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: grey101
I am trying to work out a system to were they wouldn't be fighting each other whatsoever.


The only way would be to grant them full freedom.


I am trying to not make there be 2 "forms" of humanity.


I was considering just letting the innies go and have control of the outer systems yet still keeping in contact with the UNSC as if a nation.

Somewhat like britain and america. somewhat

  • 05.25.2011 6:25 PM PDT

Well the UNSC wouldn't do that due to all the resources the Colonies had.

  • 05.25.2011 6:31 PM PDT

Have you seen my mind anywhere? I seem to have lost it...

0x0 x0x 0x0 000 000 x0x 000
x0x 0x0 0x0 0xx 000 0x0 000
x0x x0x x00 0xx 0x0 x0x 0x0

I have seen you future

Posted by: DPSniper
Well the UNSC wouldn't do that due to all the resources the Colonies had.

If they were set up as two independent nations, able to govern as they saw fit with a free trade agreement between them then they may be able to coexist peacefully.

  • 05.25.2011 6:35 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: DPSniper
Well the UNSC wouldn't do that due to all the resources the Colonies had.

If they were set up as two independent nations, able to govern as they saw fit with a free trade agreement between them then they may be able to coexist peacefully.


That is what i am trying to get at.

Not to mention the innies could colonize in one direction and the UNSC in another.

  • 05.25.2011 6:37 PM PDT

Have you seen my mind anywhere? I seem to have lost it...

0x0 x0x 0x0 000 000 x0x 000
x0x 0x0 0x0 0xx 000 0x0 000
x0x x0x x00 0xx 0x0 x0x 0x0

I have seen you future

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: DPSniper
Well the UNSC wouldn't do that due to all the resources the Colonies had.

If they were set up as two independent nations, able to govern as they saw fit with a free trade agreement between them then they may be able to coexist peacefully.


That is what i am trying to get at.

Not to mention the innies could colonize in one direction and the UNSC in another.

The problem arises when the UNSC or innies new territories reach the critical size where they are no longer able to effectively govern them. Theoretically the human areas could continue to divide and expand like cells. They could set up their own UN and (in a perfect galaxy) continue to live in peace.

  • 05.25.2011 6:40 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: DPSniper
Well the UNSC wouldn't do that due to all the resources the Colonies had.

If they were set up as two independent nations, able to govern as they saw fit with a free trade agreement between them then they may be able to coexist peacefully.


That is what i am trying to get at.

Not to mention the innies could colonize in one direction and the UNSC in another.

The problem arises when the UNSC or innies new territories reach the critical size where they are no longer able to effectively govern them. Theoretically the human areas could continue to divide and expand like cells. They could set up their own UN and (in a perfect galaxy) continue to live in peace.


I understand that they are aliens, but the forerunners didn't have an issue with unity.

Nor do the jackals,hunters,etc

but i don understand that they are aliens

  • 05.25.2011 6:44 PM PDT

Have you seen my mind anywhere? I seem to have lost it...

0x0 x0x 0x0 000 000 x0x 000
x0x 0x0 0x0 0xx 000 0x0 000
x0x x0x x00 0xx 0x0 x0x 0x0

I have seen you future

Posted by: grey101
A major reason why the Forerunners didn't have problems with unity (at least notable ones) was that they had FTL communication. With the UNSC they would have to wait weeks for a message to get from the outer colonies to Earth and Back. The Forerunners would have a less drastic delay, so they would have been able to govern more distant planets more effectively.

  • 05.25.2011 6:49 PM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

Fear the Red Comet

Variety is the spice of life.
Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: DPSniper
Well the UNSC wouldn't do that due to all the resources the Colonies had.

If they were set up as two independent nations, able to govern as they saw fit with a free trade agreement between them then they may be able to coexist peacefully.


That is what i am trying to get at.

Not to mention the innies could colonize in one direction and the UNSC in another.


That's the problem though. The UNSC doesn't want to give Innies that control in the first place. Hence why there is conflict in the Innies fighting for that independence. That's why I was saying in my first post that the only way for there to be peace is if the Innies were allowed to go and do their own thing. Why there cannot be that freedom is simply because the UNSC still wants to retain that control rather than let them go.

  • 05.25.2011 6:52 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: grey101
A major reason why the Forerunners didn't have problems with unity (at least notable ones) was that they had FTL communication. With the UNSC they would have to wait weeks for a message to get from the outer colonies to Earth and Back. The Forerunners would have a less drastic delay, so they would have been able to govern more distant planets more effectively.

The overall slow pace of Human interstellar civilisation, I imagine, would only irritate the Insurrectionist's sense of the UNSC's lack of action. Basically, people would get inpatient waiting for responses and results.

To be fair, as far as other civilisations go, Humanity is no worse.

The Sangheili: Remember in the Cole Protocol that rival clan leader that overthrew Thel's ancestor, Ther 'Vadam? Well there we go, there is an example of the Sangheili fighting each other. For all we know that rival clan leader was fuelled by greed and power. The heretic Elites Vs the Covenant Elites as well.

The thing about the Hunters is that they are a hive mind species. They do not think like at at all - literally they do not. In a sense they are like one individual.

The Drones: Remember the Drones in Blunt Instruments? They were the Yanme'ee equivalent of murderers and psychopaths. Not a perfectly unified society there either, even in their hive like society.

Jackals have loyalty to the highest bidder, they are mercenaries. That, I think, speaks volumes for their potential loyalties to each other. If the money is for fighting against each other, it is very likely that some will go for it.

Prophets: Truth, Mercy, Regret - 'Nuff said. Willing to sacrifice each other for political gain.

Forerunners: Faber and his gang against the rest of the Mantle Council. Also, it is stated in the Encyclopaedia that there was a civil war surrounding the use of the Halo array.

I am not sure about the rest, but Humanity is not anymore fractured than the other races in Halo.

[Edited on 05.25.2011 7:16 PM PDT]

  • 05.25.2011 7:13 PM PDT

Hanger one I just shredded with the SMGs until ammo was out and I just threw 'nades like a boss while BRing.

My experience playing Cairo Station on Legendary

When you think about it, it's the American Revolution, only on a larger scale. You'd think the UNSC would learn from the past...

  • 05.25.2011 7:15 PM PDT

They did sort of have their own govt once, the Colonial Administration Authority, though it became more and more a shell of the UNSC as time went on, and when the covies showed up it was abolished altogether. The insurrection started way before that though. The UNSC ultimately knew that letting them splinter off from the rest of humanity would end in war anyway, so they judged it the lesser evil to bring them to heel. Yes the american revolution is a good analogy.

  • 05.25.2011 10:27 PM PDT

--Dear Father, I've been waiting, I've saved you a seat in hell
--I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished...
A More Complete Compendium of a Bungie History
-Thanatos 117

There will always be a difference of opinion regarding politics. Look at the United States. The states set their own laws but all states abide by federal laws that are agreed upon by the states. A more... complicated concept is the same with the United Nations. All (or most of) the nations of the world unite under a government that has successfully expanded a interstellar human empire. But as I said there will always be a difference of opinion. Not everyone will always agree, and in this case the Insurrectionists believe the power of the UNSC has gone to far beyond what it should have and want a more free and less-bureaucratic life. I don't think a one-world government will ever live in peace because of this. There will always be different ideologies and therefor war over those ideologies.

  • 05.25.2011 11:49 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

The UNSC didn't want to give up control, as it may of started uprisings on many other planets - shattering the UNSC.

If you, as the UNSC, had poured literally trillions of resources into furthering your race would you want to give it up so easy ?

I wouldn't, but if the UNSC (UEG) are anything like the modern day UN then I can understand why people wouldn't want to bother with them.

  • 05.26.2011 12:47 AM PDT