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.....SPARTAN-IIs are better than SPARTAN-IIIs? Both are really good. It just depends on how good the actual SPARTAN is. SPARTAN-IIIs can take more hits, but are impatient and wild. SPARTAN-IIs are disciplined and trained to win, but they can't take as many hits.
The only thing that sets them apart is the way each SPARTAN uses his/her training to the maximum capabilites, as well as their own skills.


Who else notices people making this assumption?

[Edited on 05.27.2011 7:24 PM PDT]

  • 05.27.2011 7:24 PM PDT

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Because it's obvious they never read Ghosts of Onyx or if they did they didn't pay attention.

  • 05.27.2011 7:25 PM PDT

Actually, Spartan II's take more hits, they have shields...

  • 05.27.2011 7:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, Spartan II's take more hits, they have shields...

Spartan-IIIs can take more hits without shields due to an injection Kurt gave them.

  • 05.27.2011 7:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, Spartan II's take more hits, they have shields...

That's armor. Noble Team? They have sheilds, and more than half are SPARTAN-IIIs.
So, that doesn't work out.

  • 05.27.2011 7:34 PM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

  • 05.27.2011 7:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: reptile1892
What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

But SPARTAN-IIIs were made with better tech too. So they had a lower death rate in augmentation.

  • 05.27.2011 7:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, Spartan II's take more hits, they have shields...

Spartan-IIIs can take more hits without shields due to an injection Kurt gave them.


That only applies to Gamma company.

Either way though IIIs are equal to IIs as they still receive the same baseline augmentations and training (if not more on this end) than the IIs. The major factor that separate both is armor and combat experience. That's it.

If it weren't for the MJOLNIR armor that enhances a IIs combat strength, and the fact that the IIs had combat experience prior to any extreme risk operation, the IIIs would be on par with the IIs more or less.

Edit:


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Look at what one Spartan II with MJOLNIR mk. V armor was able to do (MC on Alpha Halo) vs. a team of Spartan IIIs with mk. V (NOBLE on Reach).


The Chief was a lucky bastard who never had to contend with being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Comparing his actions to Noble Team makes no sense. More so when you consider that every other Spartan II was either KIA'd, or forced to retreat from Covenant forces on Reach.

[Edited on 05.27.2011 7:47 PM PDT]

  • 05.27.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: reptile1892
What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

But SPARTAN-IIIs were made with better tech too. So they had a lower death rate in augmentation.

Spartan IIIs were made to be cheaper and more expendable. They don't have as many augmentations, the gene pool is wider, and they were given lesser equipment. The Spartan IIs were better. They had better training, better equipment and more experience.

Look at what one Spartan II with MJOLNIR mk. V armor was able to do (MC on Alpha Halo) vs. a team of Spartan IIIs with mk. V (NOBLE on Reach).

  • 05.27.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, Spartan II's take more hits, they have shields...

Spartan-IIIs can take more hits without shields due to an injection Kurt gave them.


That only applies to Gamma company.

Either way though IIIs are equal to IIs as they still receive the same baseline augmentations and training (if not more on this end) than the IIs. The major factor that separate both is armor and combat experience. That's it.

If it weren't for the MJOLNIR armor that enhances a IIs combat strength, and the fact that the IIs had combat experience prior to any extreme risk operation, the IIIs would be on par with the IIs more or less.

Didn't the injections start with Beta?

  • 05.27.2011 7:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: ReconHunter101

Posted by: reptile1892
What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

But SPARTAN-IIIs were made with better tech too. So they had a lower death rate in augmentation.

Spartan IIIs were made to be cheaper and more expendable. They don't have as many augmentations, the gene pool is wider, and they were given lesser equipment. The Spartan IIs were better. They had better training, better equipment and more experience.

Look at what one Spartan II with MJOLNIR mk. V armor was able to do (MC on Alpha Halo) vs. a team of Spartan IIIs with mk. V (NOBLE on Reach).

You do realize this is not Reach? On Reach, they could just glass you from space. Plus, John is shwon to be a very lucky SPARTAN. That luck got him very far.

NOBLE Team? Not luck, only skill. Also, they were without infinite ammo or help. Master Cheif? He had Marines at every turn. He also had Guilty Spark and Cortana. Both got him through there, even though Spark betrayed him. Luck can get you a far way.

  • 05.27.2011 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, Spartan II's take more hits, they have shields...

Spartan-IIIs can take more hits without shields due to an injection Kurt gave them.


That only applies to Gamma company.

Either way though IIIs are equal to IIs as they still receive the same baseline augmentations and training (if not more on this end) than the IIs. The major factor that separate both is armor and combat experience. That's it.

If it weren't for the MJOLNIR armor that enhances a IIs combat strength, and the fact that the IIs had combat experience prior to any extreme risk operation, the IIIs would be on par with the IIs more or less.

Didn't the injections start with Beta?


It started with Gamma. The demise of Beta company was what spurred Kurt into adding in the new batch of drugs.

  • 05.27.2011 7:49 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, Spartan II's take more hits, they have shields...

Spartan-IIIs can take more hits without shields due to an injection Kurt gave them.


That only applies to Gamma company.

Either way though IIIs are equal to IIs as they still receive the same baseline augmentations and training (if not more on this end) than the IIs. The major factor that separate both is armor and combat experience. That's it.

If it weren't for the MJOLNIR armor that enhances a IIs combat strength, and the fact that the IIs had combat experience prior to any extreme risk operation, the IIIs would be on par with the IIs more or less.

Didn't the injections start with Beta?


It started with Gamma. The demise of Beta company was what spurred Kurt into adding in the new batch of drugs.

Thanks. Strange though, it seemed like Six kept fighting even when she should've just died in Reach. Oh well.

  • 05.27.2011 7:52 PM PDT

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yay, this argument again!

II = III

  • 05.27.2011 7:54 PM PDT


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: ReconHunter101

Posted by: reptile1892
What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

But SPARTAN-IIIs were made with better tech too. So they had a lower death rate in augmentation.

Spartan IIIs were made to be cheaper and more expendable. They don't have as many augmentations, the gene pool is wider, and they were given lesser equipment. The Spartan IIs were better. They had better training, better equipment and more experience.

Look at what one Spartan II with MJOLNIR mk. V armor was able to do (MC on Alpha Halo) vs. a team of Spartan IIIs with mk. V (NOBLE on Reach).


Better Gear and more experiance is the only two things 2's have over 3's.

Spartan III training was better, and only Ackerson/command treated them as suicide troopers. Kurt and Mendez trained them as Spartans, not expendables. They actually had only 1 less augmentation then the S2's, the gene pool being wider is NOT a bad thing. Even then they got every S2 requirement, then expanded little by little until the ranks were full.

As somebody else said, comparing one S2 with a plotshield of luck vs a team of S3's in a bad situation is stupid. Spartan II's had Mark V on Reach and still died, do they suck as well?

  • 05.27.2011 7:56 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
It started with Gamma. The demise of Beta company was what spurred Kurt into adding in the new batch of drugs. [/quote]
Thanks. Strange though, it seemed like Six kept fighting even when she should've just died in Reach. Oh well.


I'd say that was adreline, combined with Mark V armor. Lil bit more protective then SPI.

Though, we could pull a line from that one poem somebody used to defend "Chief is best". 'She simply had the will to never lose.' or something :P.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
yay, this argument again!

II = III

Exactly.

  • 05.27.2011 8:00 PM PDT

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: ReconHunter101

Posted by: reptile1892
What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

But SPARTAN-IIIs were made with better tech too. So they had a lower death rate in augmentation.

Spartan IIIs were made to be cheaper and more expendable. They don't have as many augmentations, the gene pool is wider, and they were given lesser equipment. The Spartan IIs were better. They had better training, better equipment and more experience.

Look at what one Spartan II with MJOLNIR mk. V armor was able to do (MC on Alpha Halo) vs. a team of Spartan IIIs with mk. V (NOBLE on Reach).


He also had an integrated A.I. that saved his butt. Besides Noble Team was on Reach, the same place that was utterly overpowered by Covenant. They had no chance. Let's look at their deaths.

Jorge - Sacrifice.
Kat - Ambushed in drive-by.
Jun - ???
Carter - Another sacrifice.
Emile - Ambused by Elites and outnumbered.
Noble 6 - Once again, outnumbered by Elites.

None of these Spartans died in a true combat scenario with a chance of survival.

[Edited on 05.27.2011 10:34 PM PDT]

  • 05.27.2011 10:28 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

John had his fair share of assistance through both Halos, I've just recently played Halo 2 and when you arrive to Delta Halo the first thing that happens is that you get an ODST squad with you, later on you get a Warthog and a Scorpion, then later a bunch of weapon pods with either Sniper Rifles, Shotguns or Battle Rifles.

So yeah, he was on his own......

  • 05.27.2011 10:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Samurai102
Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: ReconHunter101

Posted by: reptile1892
What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

But SPARTAN-IIIs were made with better tech too. So they had a lower death rate in augmentation.

Spartan IIIs were made to be cheaper and more expendable. They don't have as many augmentations, the gene pool is wider, and they were given lesser equipment. The Spartan IIs were better. They had better training, better equipment and more experience.

Look at what one Spartan II with MJOLNIR mk. V armor was able to do (MC on Alpha Halo) vs. a team of Spartan IIIs with mk. V (NOBLE on Reach).


He also had an integrated A.I. that saved his butt. Besides Noble Team was on Reach, the same place that was utterly overpowered by Covenant. They had no chance. Let's look at their deaths.

Jorge - Sacrifice.
Kat - Ambushed in drive-by.
Jun - ???
Carter - Another sacrifice.
Emile - Ambused by Elites and outnumbered.
Noble 6 - Once again, outnumbered by Elites.

None of these Spartans died in a true combat scenario with a chance of survival.

  • 05.27.2011 11:55 PM PDT

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You're basing this off game play which is inaccurate. Remember when Halo 3 ODST came out & people said, "ODSTs are better because they can kill covenant without augmentations & they can see in the dark & hold more grenades"? That's because you control the "Rookie". In any game, the character you control is supposed to be good. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, the rest of the Spartan III's had SPI armor (no shields, just active camo)& Kelly (a Spartan II on Chiefs unit) pinned down 2 Spartan III's. Besides, Spartan III's were trained by a Spartan II.They weren't as fit or as strong as any Spartan II. Linda (known for best marksmanship) could Snipe Jun, Samuel (known for being the tallest & strongest Spartan) could crush Jorge (Yeah Jorge is a Spartan 2, but he along with Noble team was made up), Chief (Known for luck) can save humanity & himself (Carter can't even dream of doing that), Kelly would choke slam Kat & Emile at the same time (She was known for speed). Noble 6, since he's controlled by the player, is unknown.
All Spartan II's were trained to be able to use most forms of technology. So Kats "skill" at hacking is useless. Spartan II's can see in the dark, so no need for ODSTs. All in all, besides the other Spartan programs (including the secret ones), Spartan II's were the most successful. The only thing able to kill any Spartan, is Iron Man.

Blue Team > Noble Team
or
John > Carter

[Edited on 05.28.2011 1:31 AM PDT]

  • 05.28.2011 1:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: xecnalxes117
You're basing this off game play which is inaccurate. Remember when Halo 3 ODST came out & people said, "ODSTs are better because they can kill covenant without augmentations & they can see in the dark & hold more grenades"? That's because you control the "Rookie". In any game, the character you control is supposed to be good. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, the rest of the Spartan III's had SPI armor (no shields, just active camo)& Kelly (a Spartan II on Chiefs unit) pinned down 2 Spartan III's. Besides, Spartan III's were trained by a Spartan II.They weren't as fit or as strong as any Spartan II. Linda (known for best marksmanship) could Snipe Jun, Samuel (known for being the tallest & strongest Spartan) could crush Jorge (Yeah Jorge is a Spartan 2, but he along with Noble team was made up), Chief (Known for luck) can save humanity & himself (Carter can't even dream of doing that), Kelly would choke slam Kat & Emile at the same time (She was known for speed). Noble 6, since he's controlled by the player, is unknown.
All Spartan II's were trained to be able to use most forms of technology. So Kats "skill" at hacking is useless. Spartan II's can see in the dark, so no need for ODSTs. All in all, besides the other Spartan programs (including the secret ones), Spartan II's were the most successful. The only thing able to kill any Spartan, is Iron Man.

Blue Team > Noble Team
or
John > Carter


This has to be one of the most biased and uninformative posts I have ever seen. I shall effectively to any of the points addressed once I get on my computer though.


(Edit, alright now I'm back on my computer so I shall adress them)

True, ODST was a game where you pretty much played a shieldless Spartan, but there was no other way to do it, considering how difficult Halo is *specially in the harder difficulties, where three or less plasma shots can take down your shield* Resistance and strength had to be implemented into the game in order to make it fun.

Second, it is true that the Spartan III's had just SPI Armor *Which I may say, didn't boosted any sort of physical attribute, unlike it's MJOLNIR counterpart did.* And she fought Holly for some moments before overpowering her for the same reason that I've just mentioned, I even have a quote.

There was motion in Kelly's peripheral vision, a blur.
She spun and saw a ghostly figure, moving toward her, faster than any human could move. Kelly sidestepped, grabbed the arm, twisted. Her opponent reverse-twisted and countered the lock.
Whatever it was, it wasn't human; otherwise Kelly would have ripped its human arm from the socket. Her opponent twisted her wrist and escaped from Kelly's grip. Kelly was still faster her other hand lashed out, palm flat, and impacted the solar
plexus. The other figure flew back two meters, hit a tree, and slumped.

Kelly ducked and placed herself between the blast and Dr. Halsey. Splinters and stones pelted the energy shield of her MJOLNIR armor. When the dust cleared, the other person, the one that had sounded impossibly like Kurt had vanished. So was the soldier she had knocked out.


So, not only was Holly able to withstand a punch from a fully armored Spartan II, which are so called better and yet, we see that she wasn't even knocked out, due to her activating the reflective plates from her SPI armor, the fact that she could match Kelly's movements tells you that they were more than capable at holding their own against Spartan II's.

You say that Spartan III's were trained by a Spartan II. Very true, but that raises the issue, Spartan II's were trained by Mendez, a normal man, so I do not see where would you get with this point other than give me more ground to further express my belief in Spartan III's. By training them, Kurt would pretty much put everything he was taught and as it was said in the book "Improve" the training regiment to make it even more effective.

I know Linda was unmatched by any other Sniper in the UNSC, but there are tons of possibilities when considering a battle, if Jun was already waiting, a kilometer away, with bushes all over his body, of course he is going to win, same could be said about Linda, you gotta specify more.

Regardless of Sam and Jorge, both were Spartan II's and both were made up, so I do not see where you're going to with this. It's like saying that Darth Vader is stronger than Starkiller, just because Starkiller is newer making him a "made up" character although Vader would be too.

John *I refuse to call him Chief, it gives the character more praise than it deserves* has always been an overrated character, specially in the games where we see him mowing down anything from infection forms to Scarabs, even though if the games followed real life mechanics, any fight with several Brutes/Elites would have ended up on his demise, just like any other Spartan's. Besides, comparing members of Blue team *which still have a history to finish* to members or Noble Team *Whom were meant to die from the moment they were announced* has to be one of the weakest reasons to compare Spartan II's against Spartan III's.

Again with Kelly? We've already seen that Holly *again, with no MJOLNIR armor boosting her abilities* was able to fight Kelly for some moments with ease, you're expecting us people to believe that she would stand a chance in hand to hand with two MJOLNIR clad Spartan III's, and chokeslam them? what is this, wrestling?

About technology, I don't remember reading about any Spartan hacking into anything during the books, so it is not a skill that many share. Speaking of Spartan abilities, Spartan III's can also see in the dark and pretty much do anything the Spartan II's do, even better I may say.

Only Ironman can kill a Spartan II now? Hmmmm, how curious, I remember reading about several Spartans getting killed by other people, like this:

-Sam: you could say that he was killed by a Jackal, because he couldn't leave the ship after being shot by one.
-Grace: got pretty much destroyed by Brutes.
-Solomon & Arthur: Real soldiers we've got eh chaps?
-Red Team Beta: MAC'd to hell by their own allies.
-Daisy: Needlers by Grunts and Elites.
-Linda: Killed by Grunts and Jackals, later revived.
-an unidentified Spartan killed by an Elite with a needler.

The list goes on and on, so I suggest you consider this post the next time you are going to say that Spartan II's are better than Spartan III's. Remember that they were fighting the Covenant when they were just kids and doing a great job about it.

[Edited on 05.28.2011 7:48 AM PDT]

  • 05.28.2011 1:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Samurai102
Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: ReconHunter101

Posted by: reptile1892
What assumption? The SIIs had more stringent requirements for candidacy.

But SPARTAN-IIIs were made with better tech too. So they had a lower death rate in augmentation.

Spartan IIIs were made to be cheaper and more expendable. They don't have as many augmentations, the gene pool is wider, and they were given lesser equipment. The Spartan IIs were better. They had better training, better equipment and more experience.

Look at what one Spartan II with MJOLNIR mk. V armor was able to do (MC on Alpha Halo) vs. a team of Spartan IIIs with mk. V (NOBLE on Reach).


He also had an integrated A.I. that saved his butt. Besides Noble Team was on Reach, the same place that was utterly overpowered by Covenant. They had no chance. Let's look at their deaths.

Jorge - Sacrifice.
Kat - Ambushed in drive-by.
Jun - ???
Carter - Another sacrifice.
Emile - Ambused by Elites and outnumbered.
Noble 6 - Once again, outnumbered by Elites.

None of these Spartans died in a true combat scenario with a chance of survival.


All Spartan deaths can be attributed to ultimately three things. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time (such as being in a pelican that's shot down and not surviving the fall, short fuse on a bomb being planted, being on the right spot to get blown off a ship, etc), being overwhelmed with no chance of escape, or sacrificing themselves. Which, when you think about it, is how any soldier dies.

  • 05.28.2011 1:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: xecnalxes117
You're basing this off game play which is inaccurate. Remember when Halo 3 ODST came out & people said, "ODSTs are better because they can kill covenant without augmentations & they can see in the dark & hold more grenades"? That's because you control the "Rookie". In any game, the character you control is supposed to be good. If you read Ghosts of Onyx, the rest of the Spartan III's had SPI armor (no shields, just active camo)& Kelly (a Spartan II on Chiefs unit) pinned down 2 Spartan III's. Besides, Spartan III's were trained by a Spartan II.They weren't as fit or as strong as any Spartan II. Linda (known for best marksmanship) could Snipe Jun, Samuel (known for being the tallest & strongest Spartan) could crush Jorge (Yeah Jorge is a Spartan 2, but he along with Noble team was made up), Chief (Known for luck) can save humanity & himself (Carter can't even dream of doing that), Kelly would choke slam Kat & Emile at the same time (She was known for speed). Noble 6, since he's controlled by the player, is unknown.
All Spartan II's were trained to be able to use most forms of technology. So Kats "skill" at hacking is useless. Spartan II's can see in the dark, so no need for ODSTs. All in all, besides the other Spartan programs (including the secret ones), Spartan II's were the most successful. The only thing able to kill any Spartan, is Iron Man.

Blue Team > Noble Team
or
John > Carter


This has to be one of the most biased and uninformative posts I have ever seen. I shall effectively to any of the points addressed once I get on my computer though.


(Edit, alright now I'm back on my computer so I shall adress them)

True, ODST was a game where you pretty much played a shieldless Spartan, but there was no other way to do it, considering how difficult Halo is *specially in the harder difficulties, where three or less plasma shots can take down your shield* Resistance and strength had to be implemented into the game in order to make it fun.

Second, it is true that the Spartan III's had just SPI Armor *Which I may say, didn't boosted any sort of physical attribute, unlike it's MJOLNIR counterpart did.* And she fought Holly for some moments before overpowering her for the same reason that I've just mentioned, I even have a quote.

There was motion in Kelly's peripheral vision, a blur.
She spun and saw a ghostly figure, moving toward her, faster than any human could move. Kelly sidestepped, grabbed the arm, twisted. Her opponent reverse-twisted and countered the lock.
Whatever it was, it wasn't human; otherwise Kelly would have ripped its human arm from the socket. Her opponent twisted her wrist and escaped from Kelly's grip. Kelly was still faster her other hand lashed out, palm flat, and impacted the solar
plexus. The other figure flew back two meters, hit a tree, and slumped.

Kelly ducked and placed herself between the blast and Dr. Halsey. Splinters and stones pelted the energy shield of her MJOLNIR armor. When the dust cleared, the other person, the one that had sounded impossibly like Kurt had vanished. So was the soldier she had knocked out.


So, not only was Holly able to withstand a punch from a fully armored Spartan II, which are so called better and yet, we see that she wasn't even knocked out, due to her activating the reflective plates from her SPI armor, the fact that she could match Kelly's movements tells you that they were more than capable at holding their own against Spartan II's.

You say that Spartan III's were trained by a Spartan II. Very true, but that raises the issue, Spartan II's were trained by Mendez, a normal man, so I do not see where would you get with this point other than give me more ground to further express my belief in Spartan III's. By training them, Kurt would pretty much put everything he was taught and as it was said in the book "Improve" the training regiment to make it even more effective.

I know Linda was unmatched by any other Sniper in the UNSC, but there are tons of possibilities when considering a battle, if Jun was already waiting, a kilometer away, with bushes all over his body, of course he is going to win, same could be said about Linda, you gotta specify more.

Regardless of Sam and Jorge, both were Spartan II's and both were made up, so I do not see where you're going to with this. It's like saying that Darth Vader is stronger than Starkiller, just because Starkiller is newer making him a "made up" character although Vader would be too.

John *I refuse to call him Chief, it gives the character more praise than it deserves* has always been an overrated character, specially in the games where we see him mowing down anything from infection forms to Scarabs, even though if the games followed real life mechanics, any fight with several Brutes/Elites would have ended up on his demise, just like any other Spartan's. Besides, comparing members of Blue team *which still have a history to finish* to members or Noble Team *Whom were meant to die from the moment they were announced* has to be one of the weakest reasons to compare Spartan II's against Spartan III's.

Again with Kelly? We've already seen that Holly *again, with no MJOLNIR armor boosting her abilities* was able to fight Kelly for some moments with ease, you're expecting us people to believe that she would stand a chance in hand to hand with two MJOLNIR clad Spartan III's, and chokeslam them? what is this, wrestling?

About technology, I don't remember reading about any Spartan hacking into anything during the books, so it is not a skill that many share. Speaking of Spartan abilities, Spartan III's can also see in the dark and pretty much do anything the Spartan II's do, even better I may say.

Only Ironman can kill a Spartan II now? Hmmmm, how curious, I remember reading about several Spartans getting killed by other people, like this:

-Sam: you could say that he was killed by a Jackal, because he couldn't leave the ship after being shot by one.
-Grace: got pretty much destroyed by Brutes.
-Solomon & Arthur: Real soldiers we've got eh chaps?
-Red Team Beta: MAC'd to hell by their own allies.
-Daisy: Needlers by Grunts and Elites.
-Linda: Killed by Grunts and Jackals, later revived.
-an unidentified Spartan killed by an Elite with a needler.

The list goes on and on, so I suggest you consider this post the next time you are going to say that Spartan II's are better than Spartan III's. Remember that they were fighting the Covenant when they were just kids and doing a great job about it.


In case nobody saw it.

  • 05.28.2011 8:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Oh Jesus Christ, when will this idiotic argument end?

Arent they enough threads on this forum about the same thing?

  • 05.28.2011 8:07 AM PDT

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