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Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not FF afk'ers

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Posted by: InputMantis
Exactly. No one wants quitters on their teams, and quitters make the game really slow and frustrating for the other team as well.


Yea 343 do something about it

  • 08.10.2011 10:14 PM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not afk'ers

Acculy, I enjoy searching for the other team. It's a really big accomplishment if you find them/

  • 08.10.2011 10:35 PM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not FF afk'ers

DMR + Sniper Rifle + Sprint= total demolish

Here how about this... MM AFKer's are ruining the game... happy?

  • 08.10.2011 10:37 PM PDT

If at first you don't succeed... don't take up parachuting.

Quitting would happen less often if the seeding engine was better at avoiding bad mismatches. Getting humiliated by a death squad slayer team is not fun. No one improves from it, either. Victims never even know what hit 'em. Sportsmanship would dictate holding some sort of clinic for the poor saps instead of kill-farming off 'em.

Halo 3's seeding avoided mismatches a little better. In Reach, I can't tell what my team or opponents will be like until we've played a few minutes, because rank means little. Soon enough, tho', futility and rage and disgust and...

Yeah. What options, then?

I rarely quit, even when it appears futile. Every now and then, the game somehow turns around. Plus, there's always the option of watching the game film to learn the traps I kept walking into. But sometimes... sometimes... The rage is too much. Quitting is a much better option than throwing the controller at the cat.

If they won't improve the seeding engine and/or rank system, maybe Reach should use a skunk system. 11 kills to 0, the death squad wins and everyone moves on.

  • 08.11.2011 9:36 AM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not afk'ers

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.


YOUR GAME? Right...because you definitely own the game.



Posted by: Jamage007

Posted by: Herb Bonghitt
The recent upgrade to the idle ban system proves something that I've thought for quite a while.

Credit penalties or resets are the only effective way of punishing players who ruin the matchmaking experience.

If every quit penalized the player the same amount they would have received for game completion, quitting would be greatly reduced. Players quitting because they do not like the game type or map (which is a prevalent as rage quitting) would also be reduced.

If a particular number of quit BANS triggered a full credit and rank reset, quitting would virtually disappear.


Yeah just coz people dont like the map/gametype doesnt give them the right to quit and ruin other peoples games. If so then get a few friends together and vote what you want, have no friends go play rumble pit and stop quitting in my BTB games.


Played a bunch of games last night we never lost a game (im on like a 75 game win streak now) and of course every single game had at least 1 person quit and alot of games had most of the other team quit and left us in a 8v3 which wasnt fun for us or them. Something needs to be done.

  • 08.11.2011 9:59 AM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not FF afk'ers


Posted by: kraigeous
Quitting would happen less often if the seeding engine was better at avoiding bad mismatches. Getting humiliated by a death squad slayer team is not fun. No one improves from it, either. Victims never even know what hit 'em. Sportsmanship would dictate holding some sort of clinic for the poor saps instead of kill-farming off 'em.

Halo 3's seeding avoided mismatches a little better. In Reach, I can't tell what my team or opponents will be like until we've played a few minutes, because rank means little. Soon enough, tho', futility and rage and disgust and...

Yeah. What options, then?

I rarely quit, even when it appears futile. Every now and then, the game somehow turns around. Plus, there's always the option of watching the game film to learn the traps I kept walking into. But sometimes... sometimes... The rage is too much. Quitting is a much better option than throwing the controller at the cat.

If they won't improve the seeding engine and/or rank system, maybe Reach should use a skunk system. 11 kills to 0, the death squad wins and everyone moves on.


Yeah, the mismatches thing is really annoying. Also, I think there must be some way of exploiting it. Ever notice how the full teams of forerunner and up never seem to get pitched against teams of similar rank?
That Gamesagers guy made a thread earlier today, and I looked at his game history. Totally full of horrendous match ups. Getting like commanders and below versus his team of inheritor, reclaimer, forerunner etc.

One thing that people never seem to do though is set a preference of "prefer skill" as in, prefer matches where skill is equal. Reach still uses a skill system outside the rank system, and it uses this to match people up.
If you dont tick any option, then Reach just tries to find you any game asap, and will try where possible to make it fair. If you say prefer skill though, it will spend a while making a fair match.

I hate quitters though. In my personal opinion, it's mostly Americans who quit. It's always been that way since Halo 2. I think it might have something to do with the whole "you must win or you're a failure" attitude that seems to be so prevalent in society there (like Jocks are the most idolised guys in school society). I guess there is such a massive pressure to win and not lose at something, that maybe that is too much. Whereas other countries in the world, people are more likely to be able to play for the fun of the game and not care so much about win or loss.
I have no firm fact to link that to, it's just my opinion, but I would definitely say that about 95% of the people I see quitting (and I always check) have the US listed as their location on their profile, which accounts for more than the game population balance which goes in favour of US players.

Applying credit reductions wont work though. We'll just be left with what we had in Halo 2 with people deliberately de-ranking to get matched up against actual newbies so they can feel better about themselves.

  • 08.11.2011 10:00 AM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

IF 95% of the people quitting on you are from the US...

You are probably the reason they quit.

Playing with people overseas = Dumb Match-Up = Lag

Duh!

What's next, you going to call me fat?

Why don't you tell your women to shave their damn pits..brush your damn teeth...Wash your ASS!

To be perfectly honest. Americans consist of the majority of players who play these games...so....obviously, when someone quits its going to be someone from the majority.

DUH!

If 1 Million Americans are playing the game vs 10000 Europeans? (You're a peon!)

DUH!!!

GTFO! With that wall of text, solely designed to bash on Americans! Damn Peons!

I bet, if you did a comparison.
The percentage for Non-Americans quitting when population size is taken into account...is much higher.

[Edited on 08.11.2011 10:44 AM PDT]

  • 08.11.2011 10:29 AM PDT

If at first you don't succeed... don't take up parachuting.

I hadn't thought of the match preference thing. From the person you described, it seems like he may've used his match preference to make sure he played vastly inferior opponents rather than playing equals.

Always dangerous to generalize about other people's cultures. Also, keep in mind that Gamers/xBox Live/Halo is itself a subculture. Pretty weird group all the way around, if you ask me. E.g., trash-talking 8 year olds with ridiculous rankings and mad skills to match; -blam!- pickup artists constantly asking you what you're wearing during Team Slayer; Pentecostal youth ministers with evangelistic gamertags who always seem to play with a guest that sucks even worse than them; then the Pro Gamer mixing it up with the riffraff like me, etc. etc.

It takes all kinds. Quitters are the ones who are easily intimidated. So my guess is it's the ones who don't feel like they belong in the first place. Possibly the younger ones who aren't very good yet. Possibly also the older ones who feel extra humiliated with the aforementioned 8-year-old fries they azz from every direction on Chateau.

  • 08.12.2011 3:13 PM PDT

My legit Killtrocity

Camping like a 'mouth breather'
If Fed Ex and UPS merged into one company, would it be called Fed Up?

I don't want to start another account for a digital number that has no true value in ten years.

Its more kills for you

  • 08.12.2011 3:31 PM PDT

hahaha, i love this, U MAD BRO? lol

Oh and guess what, I can quit all the games I want and never get a quitban, does that make you rage? I will always quit a game of randoms vs fullparty. Its dumbazz bungies fault for not making full partys match up with other full partys. Maybe you will realize that you are better off searching alone if you want to actually play a normal game.

  • 08.12.2011 3:34 PM PDT

Maybe quitting wouldnt be so bad if they just fix the matchmaking system. Why does someone like myself 40+ wins go up against people with 400+, 800+, 1000+ wins etc..etc...?

  • 08.12.2011 3:44 PM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not afk'ers


Posted by: DragonSilths
While I can agree with you. More complaining isnt what we need in the forums.


You don't get it, what we DON'T need is complainers who have nothing constructive to say. Constructive criticism is what we need, especially ones with new subjects but I do see where you are coming from (I think.) this topic is old and worn and I don't THINK it will be fixed anytime soon.

  • 08.12.2011 3:50 PM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not FF afk'ers

If at first you don't succeed... don't take up parachuting.

Big Evil Spider thinks the machine doesn't work too hard to set an even game unless you work that into your gamer preferences. I think it's nice to get a mixed bag of abilities on a team so you can play with all sorts. But that's only a good thing when the opposing team is similarly mixed. Sucks when a couple average joes + 1 pro + 1 noob get duty against kill squad from hell.

  • 08.12.2011 3:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: scotia96
Here how about this... MM AFKer's are ruining the game... happy?


No they arn't Quitters are, afk'ing is free kills kinda boring but they dont ruin it.

Posted by: TransmutationXx

YOUR GAME? Right...because you definitely own the game.


I do own 2 copies of Reach.


Posted by: MR E0S
IF 95% of the people quitting on you are from the US...

You are probably the reason they quit.

Playing with people overseas = Dumb Match-Up = Lag

Duh!

What's next, you going to call me fat?

Why don't you tell your women to shave their damn pits..brush your damn teeth...Wash your ASS!

To be perfectly honest. Americans consist of the majority of players who play these games...so....obviously, when someone quits its going to be someone from the majority.

DUH!

If 1 Million Americans are playing the game vs 10000 Europeans? (You're a peon!)

DUH!!!

GTFO! With that wall of text, solely designed to bash on Americans! Damn Peons!

I bet, if you did a comparison.
The percentage for Non-Americans quitting when population size is taken into account...is much higher.


Your not too smart are you?

1st of all im not European.

2nd I get games 90% of the time with people in my region and they still quit.

3rd I beat others on their host and they still quit

4th it was not designed to bash americans but as usual you all think everything is all about you and your all that matters

  • 08.14.2011 8:32 PM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not afk'ers

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Posted by: mr pie123
Acculy, I enjoy searching for the other team. It's a really big accomplishment if you find them/


I hate it and im guessing most others do too.

  • 08.14.2011 11:10 PM PDT

I agree with op on quitters

his stance on afk is retarded and based solely on him wanting to use them to artificially boost his k/d and quitters denying him that by quitting

  • 08.14.2011 11:14 PM PDT

if op doesn't want a spawntrapped team to quit on him denting him kills and would rather execute afk players to pad record:

a tip might be don't trap them so bad they have no hope and quit in the first place.

  • 08.14.2011 11:24 PM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not afk'ers

That's partly why 4 peopleononeconsole games on your team are annoying because if one quits or gets booted or whatever you've just lost half a team...
I'm not defending myself though as I have to quit sometimes for some reason but Im one of those 2 people who stay through the game when everyone else leaves andtry tonenjoy myself!

  • 08.14.2011 11:37 PM PDT
Subject: MM quitters are ruinng my game not FF afk'ers

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Posted by: TheGannet
I agree with op on quitters

his stance on afk is retarded and based solely on him wanting to use them to artificially boost his k/d and quitters denying him that by quitting


Posted by: TheGannet
if op doesn't want a spawntrapped team to quit on him denting him kills and would rather execute afk players to pad record:

a tip might be don't trap them so bad they have no hope and quit in the first place.


No no no I would much rather kill people who are playing, killing afk's is boring. I play for fun, not for stats

My stance on Afk's is I that they dont really bother me (bungie said they are ruining our games and thats why they have done resets to the FF afk's) im not really a fan of the free credits they earn but its the game makers fault for giving credits for doing nothing.

  • 08.14.2011 11:54 PM PDT

lol gusinayter is awful, those kids must have been -blam!-

  • 08.14.2011 11:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: UD Mercy is bad
lol gusinayter is awful, those kids must have been -blam!-


Yeah an inheritor with over 100,000 kills more than deaths is bad. His k/d is higher than your 2nd account and his 2nd account is like 10x yours lol.

  • 08.15.2011 8:57 PM PDT

Jamage, Quitters are a problem. You're right that its not just BTB. But picking objective gametypes deliberately and prolonging the games for kills isn't helping your case. I can say that, since I've played with you and the others who do it and been on the end of it in games where its happened and even dished it out. I dont find it fun on either spectrum. If you wanna spawn trap, thats fine, but why not have the game over in 3 minutes.

On the other hand I play alot of TS and its ridiculous how often it happens. I go into lobbys where players have 2.5 KDR and up and they quit when they die at the start or even before the game. The Problem is that without a skill rank, most people in Reach are only concerned with their KD. They quit, lag out, DC, whatever you want to label it, when they play people with legitimate KDs who back it up regardless of their rank.

Gusinayters KD is purely based on BTB. KD doesn't mean jack in this game so dont boast about his. It doesn't account for who you are up against. Or even if you're playing a team. I've even seen him back out of search lobbys when hes about to come up against one himself when searching solo so theres really nothing to be said. It may not be quitting but it comes back to my point of it being about KD which in turn results in people quitting to preserve theirs when they're being anhilated. Im not saying hes bad just making the point of why his isn't a correct example of skill.

On that note I agree with you that quitting is ruining the game and the experience with it. But enforcing quit bans doesn't help, neither does taking credits. Everyone is entitled to quit, including you. However Its not fun waiting 10 minutes searching for a game and having everyone on a side quit within 5. Regardless of spawn trapping/camping, there are way too many people doing it and it removes the challenge from what might be a close game.

For those people who have a problem running against a team and thats their excuse for leaving a game, heres a thought, dont search the playlist. You dont have to search by yourself either. Defer those players for being too good or not understanding the gametype, whatever. then atleast you're less likely to run into them.

Im not above the Spawn trapping of a team in BTB. But its not particularly fun for me either, its slow and repetitive. I prefer not to play BTB now because thats all anyone does. I can stand one game at best.
Troll away.

  • 08.16.2011 2:19 AM PDT


Posted by: Jamage007

Posted by: UD Mercy is bad
lol gusinayter is awful, those kids must have been -blam!-


Yeah an inheritor with over 100,000 kills more than deaths is bad. His k/d is higher than your 2nd account and his 2nd account is like 10x yours lol.

lol, i wrecked him in ts, and i wrecked him on his 2nd account in btb, he is -blam!-

actually i am thinking of immortal legend, so ignore that.

he is still not that great though

[Edited on 08.16.2011 2:31 AM PDT]

  • 08.16.2011 2:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: UD Mercy is bad

Posted by: Jamage007

Posted by: UD Mercy is bad
lol gusinayter is awful, those kids must have been -blam!-


Yeah an inheritor with over 100,000 kills more than deaths is bad. His k/d is higher than your 2nd account and his 2nd account is like 10x yours lol.

lol, i wrecked him in ts, and i wrecked him on his 2nd account in btb, he is -blam!-

actually i am thinking of immortal legend, so ignore that.

he is still not that great though


Yeah Immortal isnt great, if he didnt whore the banshee he would probly be negative. He's a chill dude though and he trys :)
Gus is pretty dam good though

  • 08.16.2011 9:52 PM PDT