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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Many people were saying how the covenant ships in reach could have arrived by using a ship wide cloaking system. The issue with this is that the UNSC uses thermal systems to detect invis elites. All Ships can detect thermal temperatures on scanners so with hundreds of ships and stations they would have been able to pick anything up.

  • 05.28.2011 9:06 AM PDT

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invis elites are different

  • 05.28.2011 9:32 AM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.

Have there even been any examples of cloaked fleets in halo

  • 05.28.2011 9:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: william ian
invis elites are different


It would still be the same principle.


While you might not be visible you would till give off heat, you would actually be giving off more heat because you are using the device. Hence why this wouldn't work.

  • 05.28.2011 9:34 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Problem is, Elites are living beings with body temperature, ships aren't.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Problem is, Elites are living beings with body temperature, ships aren't.


Ships do give off heat immense amounts of heat because of everything running.


Posted by: wildnuke
Have there even been any examples of cloaked fleets in halo


No, i think there were some in the package though

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But they wouldn't be searching for it. Maybe that's why they didn't find it.

  • 05.28.2011 9:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Snake Archer
But they wouldn't be searching for it. Maybe that's why they didn't find it.

It's hard to not notice something that produces huge amounts heat.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: tsassi2
Posted by: Snake Archer
But they wouldn't be searching for it. Maybe that's why they didn't find it.

It's hard to not notice something that produces huge amounts heat.


Thats what i am saying while de-bunking this idea.



Posted by: Sigma617
He's a better question:

Did any damn thing make sense in Reach at all?


Ha, in all honestly the onlys things i can fully support are

SIIIs being on reach,A very low number of them being given Mark V, The way Kat died, The way brutes/elites were portrayed,Halsey mistaking NOBLE team for IIs.


there might be a few others, but everything else doesn't adde up.

[Edited on 05.28.2011 10:12 AM PDT]

  • 05.28.2011 10:09 AM PDT

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It is clearly stated in The Flood that cloaked Elites give off heat.

Also, in order to move through space using plasma engines heat must be given off.

My biggest problem is the ships that got through the atmosphere undetected, the amount of air friction is so intense that the air itself actually catches on fire, how the biggest UNSC clolny/ military base/ research facility failed to notice a several hundred meter long fireball with no visible source streaking across the sky is beyond me.

Seriously its a -blam!- capital ship, not a prowler that could be mistaken for an meteorite. Even if they thought it was a giant space rock they would have tried to blow it up to stop a horrific impact.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Makko Mace
It is clearly stated in The Flood that cloaked Elites give off heat.

Also, in order to move through space using plasma engines heat must be given off.

My biggest problem is the ships that got through the atmosphere undetected, the amount of air friction is so intense that the air itself actually catches on fire, how the biggest UNSC clolny/ military base/ research facility failed to notice a several hundred meter long fireball with no visible source streaking across the sky is beyond me.

Seriously its a -blam!- capital ship, not a prowler that could be mistaken for an meteorite. Even if they thought it was a giant space rock they would have tried to blow it up to stop a horrific impact.


I just got done re-reading the flood which is why this came in my head.

Good point, so this is another flaw with the whole "covenant already on reach" plot. I can't wait to see how coma is going to justify this.


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: tsassi2
Posted by: Snake Archer
But they wouldn't be searching for it. Maybe that's why they didn't find it.

It's hard to not notice something that produces huge amounts heat.


Thats what i am saying while de-bunking this idea.



Posted by: Sigma617
He's a better question:

Did any damn thing make sense in Reach at all?


Ha, in all honestly the onlys things i can fully support are

SIIIs being on reach,A very low number of them being given Mark V, The way Kat died, The way brutes/elites were portrayed,Halsey mistaking NOBLE team for IIs.


there might be a few others, but everything else doesn't adde up.


But she didn't mistook them for II's.....She just knew NOBLE (except for Jorge) were not her Spartans and began to question whether ONI had secret Spartans (Team Black) that she didn't knew of.

  • 05.28.2011 10:39 AM PDT

firstly, if referring to the Long Night of Solace, then its many kilometres of ship! also friction in the atmosphere is caused by an object travelling at speed through the medium (i.e. air), the shuttle for example has an orbital velocity of around 17,500 miles/hour that is why it looks like a meteor on re-entry. a ship entering an atmosphere at 500 miles/hour would do nothing of the sort, so it all depends on how fast, a 20+ kilometre long carrier entering the atmosphere at 17,500 miles/hour would be retarded, so lets assume it crept into the atmosphere, eliminating the problem of heating through friction.

also another retarded thing regarding 'cloaking', we would assume that the cloak somehow 'bends' light around the occupant right? then how is it visible on thermal, since heat is simply infra-red radiation, similar to light but different wavelength. surely infra-red is equally 'bent' around the user in the same way as visible light? heat being emitted by the user themselves would have to be dealt with if it could be seen through the cloak, or else its a pretty rubbish cloak!

Edit: also ships giving of heat is balls as well, there is no reason that would be true. for example does the space shuttle emit heat when its just 'drifting' along in orbit? don't believe it would appear on thermal imaging to any significant amount, so what brings you to the conclusion that a Covenant ship would be lit up like a Christmas tree on thermal? keeping in mind that the whole argument is based on the ships emitting 'huge amounts' of heat, also plasma engines won't have to be on all the time, there is such a thing as inertia, turn them off and the ship doesn't just stop!

[Edited on 05.28.2011 10:46 AM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: tsassi2
Posted by: Snake Archer
But they wouldn't be searching for it. Maybe that's why they didn't find it.

It's hard to not notice something that produces huge amounts heat.


Thats what i am saying while de-bunking this idea.



Posted by: Sigma617
He's a better question:

Did any damn thing make sense in Reach at all?


Ha, in all honestly the onlys things i can fully support are

SIIIs being on reach,A very low number of them being given Mark V, The way Kat died, The way brutes/elites were portrayed,Halsey mistaking NOBLE team for IIs.


there might be a few others, but everything else doesn't adde up.


But she didn't mistook them for II's.....She just knew NOBLE (except for Jorge) were not her Spartans and began to question whether ONI had secret Spartans (Team Black) that she didn't knew of.


I already know you understand that BLACK Team are SIIs, and in the journal she clearly thought they were another group of spartans the were bought by ONI.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
firstly, if referring to the Long Night of Solace, then its many kilometres of ship! also friction in the atmosphere is caused by an object travelling at speed through the medium (i.e. air), the shuttle for example has an orbital velocity of around 17,500 miles/hour that is why it looks like a meteor on re-entry. a ship entering an atmosphere at 500 miles/hour would do nothing of the sort, so it all depends on how fast, a 20+ kilometre long carrier entering the atmosphere at 17,500 miles/hour would be retarded, so lets assume it crept into the atmosphere, eliminating the problem of heating through friction.

also another retarded thing regarding 'cloaking', we would assume that the cloak somehow 'bends' light around the occupant right? then how is it visible on thermal, since heat is simply infra-red radiation, similar to light but different wavelength. surely infra-red is equally 'bent' around the user in the same way as visible light? heat being emitted by the user themselves would have to be dealt with if it could be seen through the cloak, or else its a pretty rubbish cloak!


I was talking about the corvettes, and i don't know all the technicalities of it. but the UNSC sees invis because of the heat given off. This is noted even in our understand of such technology that it wouldn't mask the heat.

  • 05.28.2011 10:47 AM PDT

what the devil is the point in a cloak that doesn't work?! that is like a stealth aircraft chucking out spectacular amounts of heat, totally defeats the purpose of it being stealthy...

  • 05.28.2011 10:51 AM PDT

Halsey never thought Noble were II's

  • 05.28.2011 10:54 AM PDT

It isn't impossible to think that the Covenant can mask all of their signatures, both thermal and optical as well you know.

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Posted by: immadchill
Halsey never thought Noble were II's


Yeah, we already cleared that up mate, although, anybody else would have thought otherwise, that's for sure.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
firstly, if referring to the Long Night of Solace, then its many kilometres of ship! also friction in the atmosphere is caused by an object travelling at speed through the medium (i.e. air), the shuttle for example has an orbital velocity of around 17,500 miles/hour that is why it looks like a meteor on re-entry. a ship entering an atmosphere at 500 miles/hour would do nothing of the sort, so it all depends on how fast, a 20+ kilometre long carrier entering the atmosphere at 17,500 miles/hour would be retarded, so lets assume it crept into the atmosphere, eliminating the problem of heating through friction.

also another retarded thing regarding 'cloaking', we would assume that the cloak somehow 'bends' light around the occupant right? then how is it visible on thermal, since heat is simply infra-red radiation, similar to light but different wavelength. surely infra-red is equally 'bent' around the user in the same way as visible light? heat being emitted by the user themselves would have to be dealt with if it could be seen through the cloak, or else its a pretty rubbish cloak!

Edit: also ships giving of heat is balls as well, there is no reason that would be true. for example does the space shuttle emit heat when its just 'drifting' along in orbit? don't believe it would appear on thermal imaging to any significant amount, so what brings you to the conclusion that a Covenant ship would be lit up like a Christmas tree on thermal? keeping in mind that the whole argument is based on the ships emitting 'huge amounts' of heat, also plasma engines won't have to be on all the time, there is such a thing as inertia, turn them off and the ship doesn't just stop!

[Edited on 05.28.2011 10:46 AM PDT]

Engines produce large amounts of heat and no, light bending and infrared bending aren't exactly the same. Light only covers a small area from the electromagnetic spectrum whilst infra-red covers three times larger. Also, infra-red and light aren't the only radiation emitted by Covenant ships. I believe radiation can be found all over the electromagnetic spectrum, from radio waves to gamma radiation. In order to ship emit zero radiation, it would have to turn off all it's systems.

  • 05.28.2011 10:56 AM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace
It is clearly stated in The Flood that cloaked Elites give off heat.

Also, in order to move through space using plasma engines heat must be given off.

My biggest problem is the ships that got through the atmosphere undetected, the amount of air friction is so intense that the air itself actually catches on fire, how the biggest UNSC clolny/ military base/ research facility failed to notice a several hundred meter long fireball with no visible source streaking across the sky is beyond me.

Seriously its a -blam!- capital ship, not a prowler that could be mistaken for an meteorite. Even if they thought it was a giant space rock they would have tried to blow it up to stop a horrific impact.


Covenant don't use plasma engines, their ships ride on gravity waves. In fact, if I remember correctly from Contact Harvest, Covie ships don't use any kind of physical propulsion at all.

Though not to say I don't agree with the concept of a 27 kilometer long tyrant of a ship descending upon a planet would go unnoticed.

Unless cloaking stops you from being physical, which I doubt.

[Edited on 05.28.2011 10:58 AM PDT]

  • 05.28.2011 10:56 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: immadchill
Halsey never thought Noble were II's


Yeah, we already cleared that up mate, although, anybody else would have thought otherwise, that's for sure.


Oops, sorry

  • 05.28.2011 10:57 AM PDT

they have massive exhausts on the back of their ships, suggesting that they do in-fact use plasma propulsion, or else those exhausts are just a peculiar ruse...

  • 05.28.2011 10:57 AM PDT

Um, just a question, didn't the spires act as a teleporter for the super-carrier?

Based on the area Spire 1 was located, it appeared that the Spires were launched from a distance, and impacted the planet as a meteorite would.

Course, it wasn't truly a fleet. A super-carrier with... 2-4 corvettes.

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