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Uh, what?

Halo: Cryptum didn't break any canon or didn't do anything that's so out of context, because it's in the past and we only little know about Forerunners and their history, and bingo! We finally got what we wanted and now we want to know more about it.

Then, this Cryptum is canon! :)

[Edited on 06.03.2011 10:49 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2011 10:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: Spartan 100
I'd call you dumb but I'd probably get banned.

The forerunners didn't engineer flood as pets.. I don't know where you got that idea from. Humans were the servants of the Librarian who saved their specie after the human-forerunner war. You sure you have a brain in your head? Wouldn't it be more like, nothing inside?
As I said, you're probably mad because your theories weren't right. You think you know but you do not. You want to be right but refuse the truth. You're stubborn to the insane and you should get out of this forum because all you're doing is clogging it up.
Do you understand Techno Greek? Do you understand?
D'awww, ad hominym is cool, isn't it? I think you just made me sad over the internet...wait, that doesn't happen, does it?

I'll give you a simple version: The Halo canon was cooler, deeper, and all around healthier before this novel came along.


I'll tell you what seems to be the problem with you:

You're hurt because things aren't the way you thought they were and they weren't even set in stone in the first place.
Suck it up, suck it up, suck it up.
I wouldn't give a damn about being wrong. Being wrong about fiction usually leads to things getting cleared up, and me going "Ohhh, that's cool".

But with Halo, the established fiction is replaced with this (from the synopsis in the Halo wiki. Also, yes, I was wrong about the Flood pets thing, but that doesn't make me feel any better about what I read):

"The Didact, Born and the humans travel to a series of worlds that served as battlegrounds in the Forerunner's war against the humans. All of which show no signs of sentient or complex life, much to his dismay. The Didact asks Born to accept a brevit mutation to accept some of the Warrior-Servant caste's traits and to gain access to his memories and that of his class, anticipating the urgency that his knowledge must not end with him. Born accepts, and gains access to the Didact's memories and learns that he holds deep regrets about his war with the humans. It is revealed that the humans were fighting a two-front war; one against the Forerunners and another against an extra-galatic threat referred to as "The Flood". The Flood originated as simple cells inside automated transports that made their way into the human's part of the galaxy; initially they showed no noticible signs of life or any sort of activity apart from making animals more docile. Humans and their allies, the San'Shyuum, used the spores on animals to domesticate them as pets. After a while the pets began to mutate and become aggressive, as did the humans who handled them; thus the first variation of The Flood was born. The humans, fleeing their ravaged worlds, soon encroached upon Forerunner territory and found themselves at war with them as well. Although they lost to the Forerunners, the humans were able to defeat The Flood by injecting themselves with a formula that made their genetic material toxic to The Flood, killing those that attempted to convert fallen humans into more Flood. The humans kept the specifics secret, refusing to tell the Forerunners how to beat The Flood when they returned."

So, essentially, instead of the mysterious ambiguity Flood coming and almost destroying the Forerunners (humanity), we get that the Forerunners went to war with humanity, who were allied with the Prophets, and then humanity beat the Flood, but wouldn't tell the Forerunners how, and then split into a bunch of sub-species, and then...wow, did this really get written?

Also, my "Theory" came entirely from things in-game, and has so far only been attacked using things from Cryptum, which, as I said, is a retarded POS.

  • 06.03.2011 10:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Techno Greek
Here's something interesting: Cryptum is convoluted, stupid drivel that has no place in the Halo canon and irreversibly damaged the awesome story that was in place before it came along, even if it had errors before.

I don't care if it doesn't rewrite or contradict anything. I don't care if the dialog in the games can be warped to fit the new story. I care that everyone seems to think that sticking new, stupid backstory into every place it can fit isn't as bad as completely rewriting it. It is.

The Forerunners didn't engineer the Flood as pets. Humanity weren't servants to the Forerunners, and didn't get "devolved" by them for whatever goddammed reason. The Prophets, Elites, and every other species in the Covenant were pre-industrial at the time of the Halo's firing, and never had any knowing contact with the Forerunners. You know how I know this? Because I've been a fan for ten years and have a brain in my head.

If something sucks, don't include it. It's as simple as that. The Forerunner's conflict with The Flood never should have had an in-depth novel to begin with. You know why? Because they were mysterious.

It's clear that nobody in the Universe forum seems to take continuity seriously. Or writing seriously, for that matter. Stealing a story's grace to fill in a few gaps makes for a dead, bloated work. Greg Bear killed it, guys.

If you played the games and made inferences as to what the Forerunners were, why the Covenant attacked humanity, ect, maybe read The Fall of Reach and Nylund's other two, non-intrusive novels (his novels never destroyed anything, only built the characters and made the universe tick a little better so don't even start with the "you can't say it about Nylund without saying it about Bear" crap), then you know the story.

I don't think anyone had a problem figuring out 1. Humanity are Forerunner (only we can activate their tech), 2. The Covenant went to war because the Prophets realized this and were trying hard to cover their asses (why else? They just force all other species to join), and 3., once again, the Species of the Covenant were all pre-industrial at the time of the Halos firing and had no part in wars, servitude, or trade (that's -blam!- retarded) with Forerunners pre-activation.

I don't know who's idea it was to let someone as pretentious as Bear write a Halo novel, but they need to be shot.



Lol. You deny everything for no actual reason other than just to deny it.

No, you never knew any of that, sorry. Keep lying to yourself since it makes you feel better, I guess.

Sorry if things are more complex than you anticipated, I know it's tough to comprehend something such as humanity not being forerunner, etc. Not every story is blatantly straightforward and predictable. That's boring.

Also, you're judging a book based off paragraph summaries you've read.

Read the actual flipping book before you comment on it. Things make a lot more sense when actually read in the context they were made. And much of the stuff still has to be explained. You just seem to like filling in wrong answers though...

[Edited on 06.03.2011 10:52 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2011 10:49 PM PDT

Accidental post, my bad.

[Edited on 06.03.2011 10:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2011 10:51 PM PDT

Quoting my post without actually writing anything new really doesn't help much...

  • 06.03.2011 10:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Techno Greek
Here's something interesting: Cryptum is convoluted, stupid drivel that has no place in the Halo canon and irreversibly damaged the awesome story that was in place before it came along, even if it had errors before.

I don't care if it doesn't rewrite or contradict anything. I don't care if the dialog in the games can be warped to fit the new story. I care that everyone seems to think that sticking new, stupid backstory into every place it can fit isn't as bad as completely rewriting it. It is.

The Forerunners didn't engineer the Flood as pets. Humanity weren't servants to the Forerunners, and didn't get "devolved" by them for whatever goddammed reason. The Prophets, Elites, and every other species in the Covenant were pre-industrial at the time of the Halo's firing, and never had any knowing contact with the Forerunners. You know how I know this? Because I've been a fan for ten years and have a brain in my head.

If something sucks, don't include it. It's as simple as that. The Forerunner's conflict with The Flood never should have had an in-depth novel to begin with. You know why? Because they were mysterious.

It's clear that nobody in the Universe forum seems to take continuity seriously. Or writing seriously, for that matter. Stealing a story's grace to fill in a few gaps makes for a dead, bloated work. Greg Bear killed it, guys.

If you played the games and made inferences as to what the Forerunners were, why the Covenant attacked humanity, ect, maybe read The Fall of Reach and Nylund's other two, non-intrusive novels (his novels never destroyed anything, only built the characters and made the universe tick a little better so don't even start with the "you can't say it about Nylund without saying it about Bear" crap), then you know the story.

I don't think anyone had a problem figuring out 1. Humanity are Forerunner (only we can activate their tech), 2. The Covenant went to war because the Prophets realized this and were trying hard to cover their asses (why else? They just force all other species to join), and 3., once again, the Species of the Covenant were all pre-industrial at the time of the Halos firing and had no part in wars, servitude, or trade (that's -blam!- retarded) with Forerunners pre-activation.

I don't know who's idea it was to let someone as pretentious as Bear write a Halo novel, but they need to be shot.



Lol. You deny everything for no actual reason other than just to deny it.

No, you never knew any of that, sorry. Keep lying to yourself since it makes you feel better, I guess.

Sorry if things are more complex than you anticipated, I know it's tough to comprehend something such as humanity not being forerunner, etc. Not every story is blatantly straightforward and predictable. That's boring.

Also, you're judging a book based of paragraph summaries you've read.

Read the actual flipping book before you comment on it. Things make a lot more sense when actually read in the context they were made. And much of the stuff still has to be explained. You just seem to like filling in wrong answers though...
Making something more "complicated" doesn't make it any less retarded. Which Cryputm did. Playing through the games, while acknowledging Cryptum as the backstory to what I'm doing...ugh. It's impossible to take seriously.

  • 06.03.2011 10:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Techno Greek
Here's something interesting: Cryptum is convoluted, stupid drivel that has no place in the Halo canon and irreversibly damaged the awesome story that was in place before it came along, even if it had errors before.

I don't care if it doesn't rewrite or contradict anything. I don't care if the dialog in the games can be warped to fit the new story. I care that everyone seems to think that sticking new, stupid backstory into every place it can fit isn't as bad as completely rewriting it. It is.

The Forerunners didn't engineer the Flood as pets. Humanity weren't servants to the Forerunners, and didn't get "devolved" by them for whatever goddammed reason. The Prophets, Elites, and every other species in the Covenant were pre-industrial at the time of the Halo's firing, and never had any knowing contact with the Forerunners. You know how I know this? Because I've been a fan for ten years and have a brain in my head.

If something sucks, don't include it. It's as simple as that. The Forerunner's conflict with The Flood never should have had an in-depth novel to begin with. You know why? Because they were mysterious.

It's clear that nobody in the Universe forum seems to take continuity seriously. Or writing seriously, for that matter. Stealing a story's grace to fill in a few gaps makes for a dead, bloated work. Greg Bear killed it, guys.

If you played the games and made inferences as to what the Forerunners were, why the Covenant attacked humanity, ect, maybe read The Fall of Reach and Nylund's other two, non-intrusive novels (his novels never destroyed anything, only built the characters and made the universe tick a little better so don't even start with the "you can't say it about Nylund without saying it about Bear" crap), then you know the story.

I don't think anyone had a problem figuring out 1. Humanity are Forerunner (only we can activate their tech), 2. The Covenant went to war because the Prophets realized this and were trying hard to cover their asses (why else? They just force all other species to join), and 3., once again, the Species of the Covenant were all pre-industrial at the time of the Halos firing and had no part in wars, servitude, or trade (that's -blam!- retarded) with Forerunners pre-activation.

I don't know who's idea it was to let someone as pretentious as Bear write a Halo novel, but they need to be shot.



Lol. You deny everything for no actual reason other than just to deny it.

No, you never knew any of that, sorry. Keep lying to yourself since it makes you feel better, I guess.

Sorry if things are more complex than you anticipated, I know it's tough to comprehend something such as humanity not being forerunner, etc. Not every story is blatantly straightforward and predictable. That's boring.

Also, you're judging a book based of paragraph summaries you've read.

Read the actual flipping book before you comment on it. Things make a lot more sense when actually read in the context they were made. And much of the stuff still has to be explained. You just seem to like filling in wrong answers though...
Making something more "complicated" doesn't make it any less retarded. Which Cryputm did. Playing through the games, while acknowledging Cryptum as the backstory to what I'm doing...ugh. It's impossible to take seriously.


You mean the summaries you've read online of Crytum? It's much easier to take seriously if you actually read the book. I was pretty skeptical of a lot of things too, the whole "flood started off as mutations in human pets" things was just plain stupid...but it seems more...plausible in the context of the novel. Plus he didnt really explain what actually led the flood to be there, or really any of the details of them. It could've been placed there by something of a higher power, not just a "mutation in human pets". There are many things that are yet to be explained.

And the explanation we HAD for the librarian choosing humanity to be the forerunners successors was simply "they seem like good people". That is a terrible explanation, and I find it hard to believe the forerunners would trust a fledging race because of that. But now we have two atual reasons for the librarian sayng that 1. They owe humanity for the destrution of their entire race, which was for the wrong reasons. 2. Humanity actually created a cure once, whose to say they couldn't do it again? Humans had the tenacity to cure the flood, which involved sacrificing 2/3 of their population. Would any other race have that willpower?

Whatever.

Read the book. Heck, read all 3 before you assume this and that...as you have.

[Edited on 06.03.2011 11:01 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2011 10:54 PM PDT

Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Techno Greek
Here's something interesting: Cryptum is convoluted, stupid drivel that has no place in the Halo canon and irreversibly damaged the awesome story that was in place before it came along, even if it had errors before.

I don't care if it doesn't rewrite or contradict anything. I don't care if the dialog in the games can be warped to fit the new story. I care that everyone seems to think that sticking new, stupid backstory into every place it can fit isn't as bad as completely rewriting it. It is.

The Forerunners didn't engineer the Flood as pets. Humanity weren't servants to the Forerunners, and didn't get "devolved" by them for whatever goddammed reason. The Prophets, Elites, and every other species in the Covenant were pre-industrial at the time of the Halo's firing, and never had any knowing contact with the Forerunners. You know how I know this? Because I've been a fan for ten years and have a brain in my head.

If something sucks, don't include it. It's as simple as that. The Forerunner's conflict with The Flood never should have had an in-depth novel to begin with. You know why? Because they were mysterious.

It's clear that nobody in the Universe forum seems to take continuity seriously. Or writing seriously, for that matter. Stealing a story's grace to fill in a few gaps makes for a dead, bloated work. Greg Bear killed it, guys.

If you played the games and made inferences as to what the Forerunners were, why the Covenant attacked humanity, ect, maybe read The Fall of Reach and Nylund's other two, non-intrusive novels (his novels never destroyed anything, only built the characters and made the universe tick a little better so don't even start with the "you can't say it about Nylund without saying it about Bear" crap), then you know the story.

I don't think anyone had a problem figuring out 1. Humanity are Forerunner (only we can activate their tech), 2. The Covenant went to war because the Prophets realized this and were trying hard to cover their asses (why else? They just force all other species to join), and 3., once again, the Species of the Covenant were all pre-industrial at the time of the Halos firing and had no part in wars, servitude, or trade (that's -blam!- retarded) with Forerunners pre-activation.

I don't know who's idea it was to let someone as pretentious as Bear write a Halo novel, but they need to be shot.



Lol. You deny everything for no actual reason other than just to deny it.

No, you never knew any of that, sorry. Keep lying to yourself since it makes you feel better, I guess.

Sorry if things are more complex than you anticipated, I know it's tough to comprehend something such as humanity not being forerunner, etc. Not every story is blatantly straightforward and predictable. That's boring.

Also, you're judging a book based of paragraph summaries you've read.

Read the actual flipping book before you comment on it. Things make a lot more sense when actually read in the context they were made. And much of the stuff still has to be explained. You just seem to like filling in wrong answers though...
Making something more "complicated" doesn't make it any less retarded. Which Cryputm did. Playing through the games, while acknowledging Cryptum as the backstory to what I'm doing...ugh. It's impossible to take seriously.


You mean the summaries you've read online of Crytum? It's much easier to take seriously if you actually read the book.
I tried to read the book. Couldn't get into Bear's descriptive style; he seems to be very, very pretentious, and I couldn't take his descriptions seriously. I'll have to try it again sometime. And then come back here, armed with better ways to say that Cryptum ruined the series.

Edit: Okay, maybe I've been harsh and nonsensical in my arguments. I've been awake for a long time, and I know I'm not typing as well as I should, or explaining things in ways that actually communicate what I'm saying.

If I can pick it up cheap, I'll read Cryptum and come back. So far, though, I don't like any of Greg Bear's ideas, plot-points, or even names concerning the Forerunner. Maybe I'll change my mind, maybe not.

[Edited on 06.03.2011 11:03 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2011 10:59 PM PDT

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It is possible. It is you who need to fix your mind. Now do this right now techno greek: Look to your left then look to your right.


Virtual slap. You're just basing yourself over a few things. That summary isn't the best one too. The book is way better. You're stuborn to the extreme. Refusing to acknowledge. Being forerunner in the sense that 343 GUILTY SPARK implies isn't straightfoward. Did you even read the terminals?
Hypocrisy is it's own collapsing mindshaft.

  • 06.03.2011 11:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Techno Greek
I tried to read the book. Couldn't get into Bear's descriptive style; he seems to be very, very pretentious, and I couldn't take his descriptions seriously. I'll have to try it again sometime. And then come back here, armed with better ways to say that Cryptum ruined the series.


Please do, as much as you want to think it doesn't, your credibility goes completely out the window when you somehow have an opinion on a book you've never actually read.

I was skeptical too, and changed my mind. By the end of the book I was thrilled and wanting more.

[Edited on 06.03.2011 11:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2011 11:04 PM PDT

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Three of us going up against one of you.
Don't you think that means something?
Of course there are special cases,
But this is not one of them.
Suck it up
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  • 06.03.2011 11:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 100
Three of us going up against one of you.
Don't you think that means something?
Of course there are special cases,
But this is not one of them.
Suck it up
-Erickyboo
I think it means that I need to argue harder, and with better evidence.

I'll return after having read Cryptum with a text wall and a fresh head.

I bid you all Goodnight. Even the dude with all the ad hominem.

  • 06.03.2011 11:09 PM PDT

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  • 06.03.2011 11:36 PM PDT
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Yes, it is canon. We cannot just go around saying "Oh I don't accept this Halo book/game as canon because I don't like it". Because if I don't like Halo 2, I can't just disregard it and fill in the blanks between Halo CE and Halo 3 for myself. It just doesn't work like that.

Except for the Star Wars prequels, THOSE AREN'T CANON.


Agreed first part, lol at second part.
Thanks, and THEY'RE NOT.

I don;t care about the prequels, get rid of that Clone Wars show. NO ONE LIKES WHAT THEY DID TO THE MANDOS!

  • 06.04.2011 12:37 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

The Precursors were mentioned in the Bestiarum as the race preceding and mythologized by the Forerunner, being theoretical "Transsentient" beings, having the ability to travel among galaxies and accelerate the evolution of intelligent life. The Precursors achieved a higher level technological advancement than the Forerunners, being Tier-0, or Transsentience on the Forerunners' Technological Achievement Scale.

I assume this is before Cryptum

History
Not much is known about them, but information that can be found by text from the logs stored in the Terminals around the Ark indicates it is possible that the Forerunner 'Mantle' (Guardians of the Galaxy and all life) was handed down from "legends of the past": the Precursors. It has been presumed that the Precursors viewed the Forerunners as their own legacy, continuing their work after they departed, much in the same way Forerunner lifeworkers (including the greatest lifeworker: the Librarian) viewed Humanity before the activation of the rings. Having obtained the status of Tier-0, it is likely that the Precursors can travel between galaxies.
Precursors are described as "very large", with 4 upper limbs and 2 legs. Also having an "ugly head shaped like arthropods" - like spiders or crabs - they have oval, faceted slanted eyes and a "flat face". Coming from the back of the head is a long tail with a 2 meter barb coming out of it. Whether this is the way all Precursors look has yet to be revealed, but this is the way the prisoner on a Pre-Human world is described.

It is also revealed that this prisoner is the last known Precursor, and that every other Precursor had been ruthlessly killed in a Forerunner-Precursor war almost 150,000 years before the events of Halo and that their answer is at hand - implying that a Proto-Flood form (described as a fine dust, contained in hundreds of glass cylinders) were created as revenge or as a failsafe.


This is Cryptum. Compare them.

For me, this is just as unacceptable as Halo: Legends.

  • 06.04.2011 1:08 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Here's something interesting: Cryptum is convoluted, stupid drivel that has no place in the Halo canon and irreversibly damaged the awesome story that was in place before it came along, even if it had errors before.

Fine,but remember you are one of the few who disliked Cryptum.Many others loved it.You probably just hate it cause you are dissapointed that the story wasn't what you envissioned it to be.

I don't care if it doesn't rewrite or contradict anything. I don't care if the dialog in the games can be warped to fit the new story. I care that everyone seems to think that sticking new, stupid backstory into every place it can fit isn't as bad as completely rewriting it. It is.

What else did you wanted to see??Some old story that we all know off??Adding new things into the story is great or else the story get's dull afterwhile.And besides did you ever looked inside the story bible?Cause that book or whatever it is contains the backstory,just the bestiarium and they mentioned the builders.

The Forerunners didn't engineer the Flood as pets. Humanity weren't servants to the Forerunners, and didn't get "devolved" by them for whatever goddammed reason. The Prophets, Elites, and every other species in the Covenant were pre-industrial at the time of the Halo's firing, and never had any knowing contact with the Forerunners. You know how I know this? Because I've been a fan for ten years and have a brain in my head.

*facedesk*
Did you even read Cryptum??If you did then it probably traumatized your brain cause alot of things in your post are wrong.

-Nowwhere in the book did it said the 4runners used the flood as pets.Keep your facts right,the flood arrived inside glass cyclinders that contained a fine powder,this powder seemed harmless at first but when the Humans used it to their pets,the Pheru started to get agressive...and so on...And this happened in the year 110000 BCE,just saying before you claim something stupid.

-Servants?And again you just pulled BS from your ass.Chakas and Riser were servants of the Libraian cause she put geas into them,and again this is something many Humans have.Why else do you think Fred and Chief remembered Forerunner symbols from the past,it's because of the geas.

Also not all Humans seems to remember Forerunner tech,proves that not all of them have a geas,which was confirmed in Cryptum and debunks that humans are 4runners.Because if they were all Humans would remember FR tech and be able to activate it.

-Oh too bad cause they were devolved.You will now find me evidence from another source that clearly says "Humans were never devolved",if you can't then Cryptum contradicts with nothing.In fact it makes perfect sense to the Halo fiction.

-You fool,they were preindustrial after Forerunner contact you -blam!- idiot.Offcourse they didn't remembered anything from the past,the Forerunners stripped their tech ,repopulated their planets with specimens and they had to start new.All records from the past were lost except lone FR relics .

Are you really that singleminded??




If something sucks, don't include it. It's as simple as that. The Forerunner's conflict with The Flood never should have had an in-depth novel to begin with. You know why? Because they were mysterious.

You think your opinion counts for every Halo fan?Probably 98 percent of the fans who read Cryptum were very postive,only a few weren't.

It's clear that nobody in the Universe forum seems to take continuity seriously. Or writing seriously, for that matter. Stealing a story's grace to fill in a few gaps makes for a dead, bloated work. Greg Bear killed it, guys.


No one cares for your little opinion.Oh god i'm talknig with a moron who thinks his opinions are facts.Go ahead go rant more on Gregs forums or on Bungie.org.

And people like you ruin the community.

If you played the games and made inferences as to what the Forerunners were, why the Covenant attacked humanity, ect, maybe read The Fall of Reach and Nylund's other two, non-intrusive novels (his novels never destroyed anything, only built the characters and made the universe tick a little better so don't even start with the "you can't say it about Nylund without saying it about Bear" crap), then you know the story.

hahahahahahahaha
*dies*

I don't think anyone had a problem figuring out 1. Humanity are Forerunner (only we can activate their tech), 2. The Covenant went to war because the Prophets realized this and were trying hard to cover their asses (why else? They just force all other species to join), and 3., once again, the Species of the Covenant were all pre-industrial at the time of the Halos firing and had no part in wars, servitude, or trade (that's -blam!- retarded) with Forerunners pre-activation.

-No it's because of the geas and because they are brother species to the 4runners.
-No because the prophets knew the Humans had some connection with the 4 runners that would lead to the end of the prophets reign.
-Because the 4runners stripped their goddamned tech you buffoon



I don't know who's idea it was to let someone as pretentious as Bear write a Halo novel, but they need to be shot.

No one cares for your little opinion if nearly all of us disagree with you.You can't get anything you want.Go cry somewhere else.

  • 06.04.2011 2:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: George 257
The Precursors were mentioned in the Bestiarum as the race preceding and mythologized by the Forerunner, being theoretical "Transsentient" beings, having the ability to travel among galaxies and accelerate the evolution of intelligent life. The Precursors achieved a higher level technological advancement than the Forerunners, being Tier-0, or Transsentience on the Forerunners' Technological Achievement Scale.

I assume this is before Cryptum

History
Not much is known about them, but information that can be found by text from the logs stored in the Terminals around the Ark indicates it is possible that the Forerunner 'Mantle' (Guardians of the Galaxy and all life) was handed down from "legends of the past": the Precursors. It has been presumed that the Precursors viewed the Forerunners as their own legacy, continuing their work after they departed, much in the same way Forerunner lifeworkers (including the greatest lifeworker: the Librarian) viewed Humanity before the activation of the rings. Having obtained the status of Tier-0, it is likely that the Precursors can travel between galaxies.
Precursors are described as "very large", with 4 upper limbs and 2 legs. Also having an "ugly head shaped like arthropods" - like spiders or crabs - they have oval, faceted slanted eyes and a "flat face". Coming from the back of the head is a long tail with a 2 meter barb coming out of it. Whether this is the way all Precursors look has yet to be revealed, but this is the way the prisoner on a Pre-Human world is described.

It is also revealed that this prisoner is the last known Precursor, and that every other Precursor had been ruthlessly killed in a Forerunner-Precursor war almost 150,000 years before the events of Halo and that their answer is at hand - implying that a Proto-Flood form (described as a fine dust, contained in hundreds of glass cylinders) were created as revenge or as a failsafe.


This is Cryptum. Compare them.

For me, this is just as unacceptable as Halo: Legends.

These are just assumtions and incomplete points.

It's like saying, a human almost single-handedly defeated the covenant.

Doesn't sound very plausible does it?
It doesn't have the details.

  • 06.04.2011 8:05 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

wut?

My point was that Cryptum has turned too far away from the original concept of the Forerunners and Precursors. And also from Marathon. For me it is unacceptable.

I don't mind not having details if it is regarding Precursors and Forerunners - because the original idea was perfect.

Greg Bear's details ruin the story. I don't mind not having them.


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  • 06.04.2011 10:20 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: George 257
My point was that Cryptum has turned too far away from the original concept of the Forerunners and Precursors. And also from Marathon. For me it is unacceptable.

I don't mind not having details if it is regarding Precursors and Forerunners - because the original idea was perfect.

Greg Bear's details ruin the story. I don't mind not having them.


Like what?

Who cares if it goes away from Marathon.Marathon is a Bungie game and not 343.

  • 06.04.2011 10:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: George 257
My point was that Cryptum has turned too far away from the original concept of the Forerunners and Precursors. And also from Marathon. For me it is unacceptable.

I don't mind not having details if it is regarding Precursors and Forerunners - because the original idea was perfect.

Greg Bear's details ruin the story. I don't mind not having them.

Turned away from their original conecept?
What concept?
Turned away from marathon?
Are you serious?
What original idea..?

  • 06.04.2011 10:23 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

You have no idea what Halo is!

The original concept:
-Forerunners are extremely advanced race of nice guys, who sacrificed themselves for Humans. They left their legacy to Humans.
- Precursors were even more advanced than them a much like the Forerunners, they left their legacy to Forerunners. They were probably nice guys too.

Point is I'm getting sick of the paranoia concerning Forerunners and Precursors.

Turning away from Marathon:
Don't tell me you didn't notice any similarities between Halo and Marathon.
- Forerunners resemble Jjaro in being extremely advanced race(?) who left the universe. Jjaro became God-like.
- Cyborg is very much like Chief.
- Forerunner glyph for Reclaimer is the Marathon logo
- AI Durandal, Leela, Tycho guide (in a manner) the Cyborg through the game. As Cortana and 343 Guilty Spark guide Chief.
I could go on...

Point is that Halo didn't have these similarities to Marathon due to Bungie being unoriginal, but because they wanted us to feel at home when we played Halo, isn't that right?
If a book or a comic turns too far away from the idea of Halo - what is it then? Why would I think it is good?




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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Techno Greek
Posted by: Spartan 100
Three of us going up against one of you.
Don't you think that means something?
Of course there are special cases,
But this is not one of them.
Suck it up
-Erickyboo
I think it means that I need to argue harder, and with better evidence.

I'll return after having read Cryptum with a text wall and a fresh head.

I bid you all Goodnight. Even the dude with all the ad hominem.


It means you need to give it up, seriously.

you a bickering like a little kid being told that the color pink is indeed a shade of red, not a shade of girl.

You dislike cryptum because it didn't fit what you wanted to happen and your preconceptions. Thus in your head you see it as massively flawed because it didn't go the way you expected it to "therefore" it strayed from the "original path" AKA the mindset you had when you were 7 years old.

I'll close this mini rant by saying "dear gosh son" put the crayons away because no matter how much you say red and pink aren't related mix red with white and see what you get.

  • 06.04.2011 10:33 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Cryptum is obviously not for the meek minded.

  • 06.04.2011 11:11 AM PDT

Many gave their lives so that we could live on. I intend to honor them by remembering them. Remember Cyborg. Remember John. Remember Noble.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Cryptum is obviously not for the meek minded.


It isn't a very complicated read, you know.

  • 06.04.2011 11:44 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: George 257
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Cryptum is obviously not for the meek minded.


It isn't a very complicated read, you know.

Tell that to Techno Greek.

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