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Subject: Forget the CE Remake, I Want Halo 2 HD

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

I would prefer neither. I like my Halo CE and Halo 2 as they are.

  • 05.29.2011 3:17 PM PDT

ZeroEXE, I applaud you.

You are one of the few (First I can remember in this forum) who states for all to see the flaws of Halo 2 MM.

Want me to try to find the video backing you up? Where they showed the massive increase of auto-aim? (Like the rocket fired at a person at the top of the ramp. It is aimed below the target's feet, yet impacts HIS FACE.)

  • 05.29.2011 3:39 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
ZeroEXE, I applaud you.

You are one of the few (First I can remember in this forum) who states for all to see the flaws of Halo 2 MM.

Want me to try to find the video backing you up? Where they showed the massive increase of auto-aim? (Like the rocket fired at a person at the top of the ramp. It is aimed below the target's feet, yet impacts HIS FACE.)


You seem to think that we didn't know of these flaws ourselves.

But we don't care, because even WITH all those flaws it was still the most fun. Best maps, best ranking system, and most fun experience.

  • 05.29.2011 5:47 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
ZeroEXE, I applaud you.

You are one of the few (First I can remember in this forum) who states for all to see the flaws of Halo 2 MM.

Want me to try to find the video backing you up? Where they showed the massive increase of auto-aim? (Like the rocket fired at a person at the top of the ramp. It is aimed below the target's feet, yet impacts HIS FACE.)


You seem to think that we didn't know of these flaws ourselves.

But we don't care, because even WITH all those flaws it was still the most fun. Best maps, best ranking system, and most fun experience.


Most fun, maybe, but best? Not really. I "Seem" to think that simply because before when anybody mentions the flaws of Halo 2, or even CE maybe, they are attacked by comments which make Halo 2's multiplayer seem flawless.

  • 05.29.2011 5:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Radioactive553
I would prefer neither. I like my Halo CE and Halo 2 as they are.


I agree. I'd much rather they put their energy into a new storyline altogether, what are the chances that a remake will satisfy us hardcore fans? Someone will be unhappy. They should just leave those classic games alone.

  • 05.29.2011 5:58 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Radioactive553
I would prefer neither. I like my Halo CE and Halo 2 as they are.


I agree. I'd much rather they put their energy into a new storyline altogether, what are the chances that a remake will satisfy us hardcore fans? Someone will be unhappy. They should just leave those classic games alone.


I can't even enjoy Halo 2 at all anymore.

Can't play online with it.

And Campaign had that retarded "burn the background into the screen" glitch that will never be fixed. It works fins on original xboxs but all Halo 2's have that problem on 360's for some reason...

  • 05.29.2011 6:00 PM PDT
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I want Halo 2 HD Remix with high resolution and online matchmaking with a stable netcode.

Jizz in my pants

  • 05.29.2011 6:05 PM PDT
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No.

Posted by: Shadow 13th

7. High Charity, the Master Chief just walks in to the Covenant capital, alone ... and starts kicking ass! While the civil war between Elites and Brutes breaks out you trudge through the whole war to the sounds of Breaking Benjamin. Truly Halo at it's worst.



Fix'd

Breaking Benjamin is a horrible band. A terrible, terrible band. I could go to a zoo and bash a gorilla's head in with a guitar and make the same sound as Breaking Benjamin. No, it would actually sound BETTER.

Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Radioactive553
I would prefer neither. I like my Halo CE and Halo 2 as they are.


I agree. I'd much rather they put their energy into a new storyline altogether, what are the chances that a remake will satisfy us hardcore fans? Someone will be unhappy. They should just leave those classic games alone.


What sense does that make? You act like if they remade the old games then the originals would suddenly cease to exist. Last time I checked I still have a DVD of the 30's king kong on my shelf, despite the multiple remakes it had. The classics are safe, don't worry.

Also, the rumor specifically stated that the remake was being created by Sabre interactive. The people that made Timeshift. 343 studios is still free to continue the franchise. Personally, I like the idea of a remake. As long as they don't mess with the weapon balance or player movement, I'm all for it. Mostly because of XBL support.

[Edited on 05.29.2011 6:17 PM PDT]

  • 05.29.2011 6:14 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
And Campaign had that retarded "burn the background into the screen" glitch that will never be fixed. It works fins on original xboxs but all Halo 2's have that problem on 360's for some reason...


Huh? I never heard of that glitch...

  • 05.29.2011 6:18 PM PDT

Posted by: master piraka
Also, the rumor specifically stated that the remake was being created by Sabre interactive. The people that made Timeshift. 343 studios is still free to continue the franchise. Personally, I like the idea of a remake. As long as they don't mess with the weapon balance or player movement, I'm all for it. Mostly because of XBL support.


You think Microsoft would allow a halo game, even a remake, to be made without 343 overseeing it?

  • 05.29.2011 6:19 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: privet caboose
And Campaign had that retarded "burn the background into the screen" glitch that will never be fixed. It works fins on original xboxs but all Halo 2's have that problem on 360's for some reason...


Huh? I never heard of that glitch...


Go play any campaign level but Cairo station. Like, complete the entire level. You'll notice.

  • 05.29.2011 6:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
ZeroEXE, I applaud you.

You are one of the few (First I can remember in this forum) who states for all to see the flaws of Halo 2 MM.

Want me to try to find the video backing you up? Where they showed the massive increase of auto-aim? (Like the rocket fired at a person at the top of the ramp. It is aimed below the target's feet, yet impacts HIS FACE.)


Hey thanks.
Im just telling it like it is. Halo 2 is no where near perfect. There was alot of crap gone wrong.
The online hacking was Horrid. I remember getting put into games where the opponent team was invincible and could 1 shot you. They reset the ranks a few times cause of rank cheaters.

It had its fun, like when you make custom and play dawn of the dead or w.e. we called the zombie games. But when it came to competitive play, especially the online tournaments, dumb crap always goes wrong.
And we all know, when ur playing team BR's on a map with vehicles, how irritating it is when that one guy gets the banshee and speed bursts crashing into you when ur going up the field. Or the Hogs that resist grenades =P

Halo 2 is for fun. You can do fun setting like again, zombie. or even k.o.t.h. or oddball. But for MLG slayer, games a joke.

Halo CE Is the best Slayer/CTF game type Video Game of all time.

  • 05.29.2011 6:30 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: master piraka
Also, the rumor specifically stated that the remake was being created by Sabre interactive. The people that made Timeshift. 343 studios is still free to continue the franchise. Personally, I like the idea of a remake. As long as they don't mess with the weapon balance or player movement, I'm all for it. Mostly because of XBL support.


You think Microsoft would allow a halo game, even a remake, to be made without 343 overseeing it?


They have a huge team. 343i would just be the publishers/supervisors of the project, but not the developers.

  • 05.29.2011 6:30 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: master piraka
Also, the rumor specifically stated that the remake was being created by Sabre interactive. The people that made Timeshift. 343 studios is still free to continue the franchise. Personally, I like the idea of a remake. As long as they don't mess with the weapon balance or player movement, I'm all for it. Mostly because of XBL support.


You think Microsoft would allow a halo game, even a remake, to be made without 343 overseeing it?


They have a huge team. 343i would just be the publishers/supervisors of the project, but not the developers.


Yeah, thats what I mean, it sounded like he meant "The rumor says 343 has absolutely no part in the remake, even overseeing it."

  • 05.29.2011 6:34 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: privet caboose
And Campaign had that retarded "burn the background into the screen" glitch that will never be fixed. It works fins on original xboxs but all Halo 2's have that problem on 360's for some reason...


Huh? I never heard of that glitch...


Go play any campaign level but Cairo station. Like, complete the entire level. You'll notice.


Hm, It sounds harmful for the TV... unless it goes away. Though I think I've played all of halo 2 on xbox 360 and never noticed it...

  • 05.29.2011 6:35 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

It didn't happen when Halo 2 still had multiplayer. The glitch started happening after that.

And it doesn't harm the TV. The image goes away every time. Every time the game says "loading" it'll burn the image into the screen. It's like playing Backwash on a 360.

  • 05.29.2011 6:44 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
It didn't happen when Halo 2 still had multiplayer. The glitch started happening after that.

And it doesn't harm the TV. The image goes away every time. Every time the game says "loading" it'll burn the image into the screen. It's like playing Backwash on a 360.


Ah, been tempted to maybe play the old campaigns again. I remember hearing somebody about... I think it was MW2? Burning images into certain TV screens and damaging them.

  • 05.29.2011 6:49 PM PDT

For Carnage Apply Within - Fatum Iustum Stultorum

"Do not mistake your rank and number for superiority. The oldest child may learn from the youngest."

Posted by: privet caboose
If the consumers want remakes, and are willing to pay for them, what's the problem?


The problem is that it leads to the creation of a market developers and publisher would be overly willing to fill. Why produce original work when you can remake a game you released five years earlier? Just add a few new graphics and a feature or two in order to produce what is largely the same thing that was initially released. It leads to lazy titlesre-releases that degrade the medium as a whole by proving gamers/consumers are willing to settle (and pay) for 'less' rather than 'more'.

I personally find it incredibly juvenile and ignorant when those same consumers demand remakes. Additionally, I also believe over-zealous devotion to a remake, or in demanding one be made, marks one as unappreciative of the original work in question. If people truly enjoy whatever game they want remade, they would find no trouble or hesitancy in playing it as it stands.

Da Vinci's Mona Lisa has never been repainted even though it is widely considered to be a master-work and is enjoyed by many people. Let's learn from that, shall we?

Also, we want are regular online play back, not xbox connect.

XBConnext is your regular multiplayer, only instead of having your Xbox find games, your computer does. You still play on your console, but the task of finding games is delegated to your PC since Microsoft no longer maintains servers/support for older Xbox titles. The only difference currently is the amount of people using it (largely due to ignorance of the program and/or unwillingness to set it up).

[Edited on 05.30.2011 8:53 PM PDT]

  • 05.29.2011 10:33 PM PDT

Yeah, 343 kinda stated remakes were not in there plans (as did microsoft.)

Frankie said it would be incredibly lazy and unimaginative if 343 didn't add to the halo lore.

  • 05.29.2011 10:53 PM PDT

Jesus loves you! But I think you're a -blam!-

I just want another Halo that feels like the good ol' Halo and doesn't suck.

  • 05.29.2011 11:14 PM PDT

GT: Forged Hybrid

I want it now.

  • 05.29.2011 11:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shadow 13th
Remakes could grow the industry. Developers like Sabre are going out of business cause a single bad game can sink a company. If mediocre developers are given templates to work with and remake it keeps studios active, generates income, grows the industry and brings in new talent that can be nutured and developed.


I will agree with you as far as implying that remakes are the domain of "mediocre developers".

Remakes only serve to propagate an existing IP. No 'growth' occurs, rather the same material is simply given a few (mostly cosmetic) touch-ups and released once more at full price. This generates profits sure, but it hardly constitutes development in the industry as a whole.

Furthermore, young studios can gain more from developing their own original properties than simply generating iterations off of someone else's. Separately, if remakes are a floundering studios only source of work and income, that should tell the consumer something about the products formally made by the studio as well as the potential quality of anything to be produced. Yes, giving mediocre developers the task of remaking old games does generate jobs and profit, but it is a self-perpetuating cycle that serves to keep only those who can't work on their own ideas, or only create poorly-received games, in business.

Bad developers go out of business since they could not create a product that consumers wished to purchase. That is sad, but that is how a healthy business ecosystem functions. Not allowing this to happen will lead to an increase in the number of low quality games/developers and the adoption of a production-solely-for-profit work model. As you mentioned, this is a form of "secondary revenue"; but that is all it is. It essentially proves and perpetuates the 'less effort for the same profit' development concept. Something which, to my mind, only does the medium a disservice and certainly prohibits the discussion of 'video games as art' that gamers and developers alike are often too quick to embrace.

[Edited on 05.30.2011 8:52 PM PDT]

  • 05.30.2011 8:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: master piraka
Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Radioactive553
I would prefer neither. I like my Halo CE and Halo 2 as they are.


I agree. I'd much rather they put their energy into a new storyline altogether, what are the chances that a remake will satisfy us hardcore fans? Someone will be unhappy. They should just leave those classic games alone.


What sense does that make? You act like if they remade the old games then the originals would suddenly cease to exist. Last time I checked I still have a DVD of the 30's king kong on my shelf, despite the multiple remakes it had. The classics are safe, don't worry.


No thats not my point at all. My point is that a remake will always ALWAYS ruffle feathers and leave people disappointed. You cite King King as a classic, which is completely true, but were you happy with the Peter Jackson remake? I wasn't, I really just wished they left the classic alone rather than diluting its reputation with an unoriginal cash-in, just as I'd also much rather Peter Jackson put his efforts into making an original movie like The Frighteners again.

Same goes for the supposed Halo remakes. It's an assured money maker as far as Microsoft are concerned, I'd rather see another aspect of the Halo world in an original setting.

For example I'd like to know more about Gungnir, the adventures of Cole, Spartan-Is, Bucks ODSTs. There is so much potential, it is just a shame to just rehash a beloved game/s.

  • 05.30.2011 9:07 PM PDT

I'm far too busy being delicious!


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Posted by: Shadow 13th
I really shouldn't forget to mention CE's final mission, POA. It was really, really awesome and memorable. That mission and the second mission were the best for me.

I've played CE from start to finish about 6 or 7 times.

How come you don't remember names of the missions then? The last mission was named The Maw.

1. The Pillar of Autumn - "Escape intact as Covenant forces board your ship."
2. Halo - "Seek out surviving Marines and help them fight the Covenant."
3. The Truth and Reconciliation - "Board a Covenant ship in an attempt to rescue Captain Keyes."
4. The Silent Cartographer - "Search for the map room that will lead you to the secrets of Halo."
5. Assault on the Control Room - "Defend the Control Room against wave after wave of Covenant troops."
6. 343 Guilty Spark - "Creep through a swamp to meet the only enemy the Covenant fear."
7. The Library - "Fight your way through an ancient security facility in search of the Index."
8. Two Betrayals - "Re-activate the weapon at the heart of Halo... and learn the truth."
9. Keyes - "Stage a one-cyborg assault on a Covenant ship and bring back the Captain."
10. The Maw - "Destroy Halo before Halo destroys all life in the galaxy."

  • 05.30.2011 11:00 PM PDT

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