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Subject: Do you accept Halo: Legends as being canon?

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Coxx153
Posted by: racooon
I don't accept anything that isn't the four games.

This.

Then you're a short-minded idiot who refuses to see past your own bias.

Or he simply keeps it simple, and doesn't care for the extended Universe. Who are you to judge his preference?

  • 06.04.2011 5:13 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Coxx153
Posted by: racooon
I don't accept anything that isn't the four games.

This.

Then you're a short-minded idiot who refuses to see past your own bias.

Or he simply keeps it simple, and doesn't care for the extended Universe. Who are you to judge his preference?


I have nothing against people who have no involvement with the EU. What I do have something against is people who don't accept the EU, then making a redundant post here just to declare it.

  • 06.04.2011 5:16 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Why hold it against people, though? Don't they have a right to share their opinion, especially when it pertains to a question asked? The games are narrated in such a manner that the EU isn't needed, but offers a greater understanding. So they don't need to accept it, you only feel that they need to.

Your view is neither greater nor lesser, it's simply another view. This doesn't give you the right to call him a close-minded idiot any more than it would be another to call you obsessive.

  • 06.04.2011 5:22 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Why hold it against people, though? Don't they have a right to share their opinion, especially when it pertains to a question asked? The games are narrated in such a manner that the EU isn't needed, but offers a greater understanding. So they don't need to accept it, you only feel that they need to.

Your view is neither greater nor lesser, it's simply another view. This doesn't give you the right to call him a close-minded idiot any more than it would be another to call you obsessive.


There is no justification for disregarding it, without the EU none of the Halo universe would make much sense. The games make constant references to the EU which usually has a big impact on the story, it is wrong to disregard it for no reason. It is there, it is an integral part of the Halo story so whilst it's fine to ignore it it's just wrong to disregard it's canonical standing.

  • 06.04.2011 5:29 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: ajw34307
There is no justification for disregarding it, without the EU none of the Halo universe would make much sense.


1. The desire to keep the Halo series unsaturated and simple, as well as simply a disinterest with exploring any deeper than what's presented in the games.
2. It most certainly would.
-The Covenant discover and attack Reach, POA flees with John-117.
-John-117 discovers Halo 04, finds out it's a big threat, and destroys it.
-The Covenant discover Earth (in ODST we find that it's because of the Ark,) and occupy it. John-117, aboard the In Amber Clad discovers Halo 05 due to being caught in the Covenant's slipspace jump. The Gravemind is found to be the Flood's mind, and in Halo 3 is found to be extra-galactic. (Terminals)
-The Covenant breaks up, Elites forming an alliance with the UNSC.
-The Ark is discovered, as well as the replacement Halo. The Halo ring is fired to kill the Flood (it's purpose told in Halo: CE,) and the Ark is damaged.


That makes enough sense for most people.

  • 06.04.2011 5:42 AM PDT

All but Odd One Out

  • 06.04.2011 5:46 AM PDT

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I'll say again.
Halo is a whole. You do not take one part of it and ust go with what you didn't take out.
It is a whole. Halo legends have artistic liscence, that's all. You could call it graphics and interpretation.
That shipmaster probably got killed after they returned due to his actions. Thel' Lodamee probably got promoted.
Halo is a whole, suck it up. [:)]

  • 06.04.2011 7:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
I'm confused? What's going on?

Haven't you heard? A good man is going to war.

Posted by: Spartan 100
And also, how did you know it was me erickyboo from waypoint?

hacks

Naa, your gamertag.

  • 06.04.2011 8:30 AM PDT

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Somethings maybe, sure, like the thing with the prototype. That was awesome. All the stuff that was stupid or ridiculous, no.

  • 06.04.2011 8:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Spartan 100
I'm confused? What's going on?

Haven't you heard? A good man is going to war.

Posted by: Spartan 100
And also, how did you know it was me erickyboo from waypoint?

hacks

Naa, your gamertag.

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  • 06.04.2011 12:43 PM PDT

I hate these threads. Halo: Legends, except for Odd One Out, is canon. It's not perfect, but it's canon. Whether you like it or not, it's been confirmed. So all of you who continuously argue that it's not, deal with it so we can all just move on.

  • 06.04.2011 1:03 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: jack0fhearts
Or he simply keeps it simple, and doesn't care for the extended Universe. Who are you to judge his preference?

Then what business does anyone like that have coming here to discuss Halo canon?

  • 06.04.2011 1:04 PM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: ajw34307
There is no justification for disregarding it, without the EU none of the Halo universe would make much sense.


1. The desire to keep the Halo series unsaturated and simple, as well as simply a disinterest with exploring any deeper than what's presented in the games.
2. It most certainly would.
-The Covenant discover and attack Reach, POA flees with John-117.
-John-117 discovers Halo 04, finds out it's a big threat, and destroys it.
-The Covenant discover Earth (in ODST we find that it's because of the Ark,) and occupy it. John-117, aboard the In Amber Clad discovers Halo 05 due to being caught in the Covenant's slipspace jump. The Gravemind is found to be the Flood's mind, and in Halo 3 is found to be extra-galactic. (Terminals)
-The Covenant breaks up, Elites forming an alliance with the UNSC.
-The Ark is discovered, as well as the replacement Halo. The Halo ring is fired to kill the Flood (it's purpose told in Halo: CE,) and the Ark is damaged.


That makes enough sense for most people.


AJW is right, I don't think what he's saying is that anyone who does want to read or watch stuff from the expanded universe is wrong.

It seems to me that what he is saying is that the people who go around saying "only the games are canon, I don't accept anything but the games as a source of canon" is in the wrong.

  • 06.04.2011 1:20 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: Spartan 100
That shipmaster probably got killed after they returned due to his actions. Thel' Lodamee probably got promoted.

Why on Earth would 'Lodamee get promoted? He was the one that "failed." If anything the Shipmaster would have been praised.

In Legends, the Major is made to be Thel 'Vadamee. 343 did a quick sweep under the carpet by making him Thel 'Lodamee, but the creator meant for him to be the Arbiter in Halo 2-3. He painted him to be a coward, and completely fudged up how he became Arbiter. While it may have been "fixed," I still resent the creator of The Package for that.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Then what business does anyone like that have coming here to discuss Halo canon?

Why don't you ask them? I'm merely trying to show how the Extended Universe isn't necessary for the games to stand alone.

Posted by: OrderedComa
AJW is right, I don't think what he's saying is that anyone who does want to read or watch stuff from the expanded universe is wrong.

It seems to me that what he is saying is that the people who go around saying "only the games are canon, I don't accept anything but the games as a source of canon" is in the wrong.

Okay, last night I worded what I'm intending incorrectly. What I am trying to say is that people who don't accept the EU as canon are able to form a cohesive "canon" with the games alone. Are they somewhat foolish? Personally, I believe so, yes. However I don't think it my place to shout at them like they're blasphemers when they're able to understand what's going on in the games just fine. Their non-acceptance of the EU doesn't affect how I perceive the canon - unless they try to intrude - so why should I or anyone else butt in on their understanding?

They may be viewing the Halo Universe incompletely, they may be technically wrong, but the moment we step on their feet for having a different opinion, we're in the wrong.

Did you know there are still people who refuse to accept that Luke Skywalker fell to the Dark Side, even though it's accepted in the Star Wars EU? Hell, there are people who still don't accept Episodes I,II, and III into the Star Wars canon! There are always going to be these type of people, and it's more foolish and exhausting to hunt them all out and tell them their wrong than simply stick to our views. It's far easier to just shrug and say "Eh, okay."

That's all I'm trying to get at.

  • 06.04.2011 4:11 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

The parts that don't conflict with canon I consider canon.

  • 06.04.2011 5:08 PM PDT

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Where it not for the shipmaster's foolish actions, John would have been dead.

Think about it.

  • 06.04.2011 5:27 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

How can that possibly be determined? The duel lasted less than five minutes...

  • 06.04.2011 6:14 PM PDT

Posted by: jack0fhearts
Okay, last night I worded what I'm intending incorrectly. What I am trying to say is that people who don't accept the EU as canon are able to form a cohesive "canon" with the games alone. Are they somewhat foolish? Personally, I believe so, yes. However I don't think it my place to shout at them like they're blasphemers when they're able to understand what's going on in the games just fine. Their non-acceptance of the EU doesn't affect how I perceive the canon - unless they try to intrude - so why should I or anyone else butt in on their understanding?

They may be viewing the Halo Universe incompletely, they may be technically wrong, but the moment we step on their feet for having a different opinion, we're in the wrong.

Did you know there are still people who refuse to accept that Luke Skywalker fell to the Dark Side, even though it's accepted in the Star Wars EU? Hell, there are people who still don't accept Episodes I,II, and III into the Star Wars canon! There are always going to be these type of people, and it's more foolish and exhausting to hunt them all out and tell them their wrong than simply stick to our views. It's far easier to just shrug and say "Eh, okay."

That's all I'm trying to get at.


I can definitely see where you're coming from. And I kinda agree, I don't think the people who disregard the canon of anything but the games should be hunted out, no matter how wrong they are. But if they come into a place they know will be filled with people opposed to their viewpoint they shouldn't be very vocal with their dissenting opinion unless they want a flame war :P I know I wouldn't at least.

I also agree that they shouldn't be shouted down as heretics. I'll try my best to politely and civilly correct them, but if they don't want to listen I'll let the matter drop.
And I definitely agree that you don't need the books to fully understand Halo's lore as the games are very self-contained (I seem to recall that this has always intentionally been Bungie's policy on the matter).

  • 06.04.2011 6:48 PM PDT

Can we let the thread die?

  • 06.04.2011 7:10 PM PDT

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