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Subject: Just how strong is a MAC round?

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-Sgt. A.J. Johnson - Halo 2 - Metropolis

Let's say a MAC round from an orbital space station was fired at these guys? Do you think they'd survive?

1) what do you think would happen to a Spartan who went into armor-lock, then immediately got shot by a MAC round? Do you think he'd survive but get forced into the ground, or do you think the invulnerable shields will finally pop?

2)If "Flash", the super hero that runs really fast, was in front of a MAC cannon on the ground & he was standing 100 ft away from the cannon, & he ran at the same time it fired, do you think he'd outrun the MAC round? (Remember all those magnetic coils.)

3)If all the Jedi who ever lived in the Star Wars saga was standing together, & they got shot by a MAC round, do you think they, with their combined power using the force, could stop that MAC round?

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[Edited on 06.02.2011 3:39 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2011 3:35 PM PDT

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1. No
2. Maybe...I doubt it though.
3. Again maybe.

  • 06.02.2011 3:36 PM PDT

Armor Lock as you saw it in Reach really wasn't very canonical, Armor Lock like that of John when he crashed into Earth, he would vaporize in seconds.

Yes.

No. If you count all the Jedi who ever lived from the Sith Wars to after the Invasion of the Vong, It doesn't even add up to 1 million.

  • 06.02.2011 3:51 PM PDT
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1: No. Him and his armor would disintegrate on impact, or possibly before by the force of air.

2: No way. The shock waves would catch him within milliseconds.

3: All of them? Yeah, probably

  • 06.02.2011 3:53 PM PDT

I like Halo games, nuff said.

1. Orbital MACs can burn through nearly any covenant shield so NO (In one of the books they stated that if a shield withstood a MAC round then the ship inside would theoretically be vaporized because of the massive transfer of energy.
2. Orbital MAC cannons fire at 50% of the Speed of Light so definately not.
3. Maybe, just maybe.

[Edited on 06.02.2011 3:55 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2011 3:53 PM PDT

Nerd

1. Nope. Like someone else mentioned earlier, they would just vaporize instantly.
2. This one is interesting. We all know The Flash is extremely fast but he's also able to vibrate his molecules at such a high rate, he's able to phase through solid objects. I think he would be able to survive the shock waves and the actual round would simply pass through him. I don't know, it's cool to think about.
3. Yes. If Starkiller was there along with all the other known Jedi such as K'Kruhk, then yes.

I'd like to propose Goku from DBZ. I'd also think that would be interesting.

[Edited on 06.02.2011 4:30 PM PDT]

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What I'd like to know, is if a mac round was shot into the ground , how deep would the hole it created be?

  • 06.02.2011 4:40 PM PDT

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No. No. No.

  • 06.02.2011 4:42 PM PDT

I think it would kill 1 and 2. I'm not sure about 3 though. They might be able to stop it but it is going really fast and is really big.

  • 06.02.2011 5:11 PM PDT
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Since this Super MAC fires a 3,000 ton heavy slug in 40% of light speed generates massive amount of relativistic kinetic energy is 51.6 gigaton of TNT! That could destroy most of UNSC/Covenant ships, even it can drop a largest capital covenant ship in a shot, and still possess enough energy to destroy other ships.

After that explanation, let me answer your 3 questions.

1)No. In theory, if this slug were to be absorbed by shields and armor, it'll still be vaporized. (Due to laws of thermodynamics)

2.)No, I don't think that Flash is fast enough to dodge 40% of lightspeed hurling slug at him. Not mention that if it fired to the ground, you can say good bye to that ground because that energy is similar to nuclear strength blasts, besides being massively powerful.

3.)Possibly, since Starkiller showed that it is possible to stop a star destroyer only using force. However, I don't know how much a jedi can generate the force to stop the 40% lightspeed of hurling 3000ton slug, generated 51.6 gigatons of TNT.

Frankly, I can agree that any starship's weapons such as turbolasers or ion cannon can overwhelm a jedi...

About question 3, I'm not sure. I'll have to research more about that.

Sparty Boy 117


What I'd like to know, is if a mac round was shot into the ground , how deep would the hole it created be?


Answer to your question...

If you're preferring to 64 kiloton of TNT generated by standard MAC (Frigate), my guess that it would cause from 350 to 550 feet deep of crater and size of diameters would be similar as well.

Also if you're referring to 51.6 gigaton of TNT generated by Super MAC... well. It'd cause massive crater, destroy entire environment in blast radius, sending massive shock-wave in blast radius.


[Edited on 06.02.2011 5:41 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2011 5:31 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
Since this Super MAC fires a 3,000 ton heavy slug in 40% of light speed generates massive amount of relativistic kinetic energy is 51.6 gigaton of TNT! That could destroy most of UNSC/Covenant ships, even it can drop a largest capital covenant ship in a shot, and still possess enough energy to destroy other ships.

After that explanation, let me answer your 3 questions.

1)No. In theory, if this slug were to be absorbed by shields and armor, it'll still be vaporized. (Due to laws of thermodynamics)

2.)No, I don't think that Flash is fast enough to dodge 40% of lightspeed hurling slug at him. Not mention that if it fired to the ground, you can say good bye to that ground because that energy is similar to nuclear strength blasts, besides being massively powerful.

3.)Possibly, since Starkiller showed that it is possible to stop a star destroyer only using force. However, I don't know how much a jedi can generate the force to stop the 40% lightspeed of hurling 3000ton slug, generated 51.6 gigatons of TNT.

Frankly, I can agree that any starship's weapons such as turbolasers or ion cannon can overwhelm a jedi...

About question 3, I'm not sure. I'll have to research more about that.

Sparty Boy 117


What I'd like to know, is if a mac round was shot into the ground , how deep would the hole it created be?


Answer to your question...

If you're preferring to 64 kiloton of TNT generated by standard MAC (Frigate), my guess that it would cause from 350 to 550 feet deep of crater and size of diameters would be similar as well.

Also if you're referring to 51.6 gigaton of TNT generated by Super MAC... well. It'd cause massive crater, destroy entire environment in blast radius, sending massive shock-wave in blast radius.


Starkiller was a unique Jedi, of course, but I doubt he'd be able to stop a freight train, as it were, moving that fast. Especially since moving as fast as it does, Einstein kicks in and time itself is out of wack. Effectively, the MAC slug's perception of time is significantly slowed down, giving it the impression its actually traveling even faster to those not within its time bubble.

Like how a Spartan's reflexes are so fast everyone and everything around them looks like they're moving in slow motion.

So the SMAC slug might actually obliterate Flash and the Jedi before they could react. Jedi can sense future events, but when what the future holds is 40% faster then when you think its coming due to relativistic effects, the Jedi might very well be wiped out before they can react. They've never had to deal with time obscurity before (at least not most of them)

  • 06.02.2011 7:50 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: raganok99
Since this Super MAC fires a 3,000 ton heavy slug in 40% of light speed generates massive amount of relativistic kinetic energy is 51.6 gigaton of TNT! That could destroy most of UNSC/Covenant ships, even it can drop a largest capital covenant ship in a shot, and still possess enough energy to destroy other ships.

After that explanation, let me answer your 3 questions.

1)No. In theory, if this slug were to be absorbed by shields and armor, it'll still be vaporized. (Due to laws of thermodynamics)

2.)No, I don't think that Flash is fast enough to dodge 40% of lightspeed hurling slug at him. Not mention that if it fired to the ground, you can say good bye to that ground because that energy is similar to nuclear strength blasts, besides being massively powerful.

3.)Possibly, since Starkiller showed that it is possible to stop a star destroyer only using force. However, I don't know how much a jedi can generate the force to stop the 40% lightspeed of hurling 3000ton slug, generated 51.6 gigatons of TNT.

Frankly, I can agree that any starship's weapons such as turbolasers or ion cannon can overwhelm a jedi...

About question 3, I'm not sure. I'll have to research more about that.

Sparty Boy 117


What I'd like to know, is if a mac round was shot into the ground , how deep would the hole it created be?


Answer to your question...

If you're preferring to 64 kiloton of TNT generated by standard MAC (Frigate), my guess that it would cause from 350 to 550 feet deep of crater and size of diameters would be similar as well.

Also if you're referring to 51.6 gigaton of TNT generated by Super MAC... well. It'd cause massive crater, destroy entire environment in blast radius, sending massive shock-wave in blast radius.


Starkiller was a unique Jedi, of course, but I doubt he'd be able to stop a freight train, as it were, moving that fast. Especially since moving as fast as it does, Einstein kicks in and time itself is out of wack. Effectively, the MAC slug's perception of time is significantly slowed down, giving it the impression its actually traveling even faster to those not within its time bubble.

Like how a Spartan's reflexes are so fast everyone and everything around them looks like they're moving in slow motion.

So the SMAC slug might actually obliterate Flash and the Jedi before they could react. Jedi can sense future events, but when what the future holds is 40% faster then when you think its coming due to relativistic effects, the Jedi might very well be wiped out before they can react. They've never had to deal with time obscurity before (at least not most of them)


This settles it, Halo beats Star Wars! :D

  • 06.02.2011 7:56 PM PDT

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MAC's move at.04 the speed of light. .4 is ridicoulous and wrong.

  • 06.02.2011 8:27 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: raganok99
Since this Super MAC fires a 3,000 ton heavy slug in 40% of light speed generates massive amount of relativistic kinetic energy is 51.6 gigaton of TNT! That could destroy most of UNSC/Covenant ships, even it can drop a largest capital covenant ship in a shot, and still possess enough energy to destroy other ships.

After that explanation, let me answer your 3 questions.

1)No. In theory, if this slug were to be absorbed by shields and armor, it'll still be vaporized. (Due to laws of thermodynamics)

2.)No, I don't think that Flash is fast enough to dodge 40% of lightspeed hurling slug at him. Not mention that if it fired to the ground, you can say good bye to that ground because that energy is similar to nuclear strength blasts, besides being massively powerful.

3.)Possibly, since Starkiller showed that it is possible to stop a star destroyer only using force. However, I don't know how much a jedi can generate the force to stop the 40% lightspeed of hurling 3000ton slug, generated 51.6 gigatons of TNT.

Frankly, I can agree that any starship's weapons such as turbolasers or ion cannon can overwhelm a jedi...

About question 3, I'm not sure. I'll have to research more about that.

Sparty Boy 117


What I'd like to know, is if a mac round was shot into the ground , how deep would the hole it created be?


Answer to your question...

If you're preferring to 64 kiloton of TNT generated by standard MAC (Frigate), my guess that it would cause from 350 to 550 feet deep of crater and size of diameters would be similar as well.

Also if you're referring to 51.6 gigaton of TNT generated by Super MAC... well. It'd cause massive crater, destroy entire environment in blast radius, sending massive shock-wave in blast radius.


Starkiller was a unique Jedi, of course, but I doubt he'd be able to stop a freight train, as it were, moving that fast. Especially since moving as fast as it does, Einstein kicks in and time itself is out of wack. Effectively, the MAC slug's perception of time is significantly slowed down, giving it the impression its actually traveling even faster to those not within its time bubble.

Like how a Spartan's reflexes are so fast everyone and everything around them looks like they're moving in slow motion.

So the SMAC slug might actually obliterate Flash and the Jedi before they could react. Jedi can sense future events, but when what the future holds is 40% faster then when you think its coming due to relativistic effects, the Jedi might very well be wiped out before they can react. They've never had to deal with time obscurity before (at least not most of them)


This settles it, Halo beats Star Wars! :D
Not even close. When you compare a damn MAC station to a single Jedi, you're out of your mind.

  • 06.02.2011 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: raganok99
Since this Super MAC fires a 3,000 ton heavy slug in 40% of light speed generates massive amount of relativistic kinetic energy is 51.6 gigaton of TNT! That could destroy most of UNSC/Covenant ships, even it can drop a largest capital covenant ship in a shot, and still possess enough energy to destroy other ships.

After that explanation, let me answer your 3 questions.

1)No. In theory, if this slug were to be absorbed by shields and armor, it'll still be vaporized. (Due to laws of thermodynamics)

2.)No, I don't think that Flash is fast enough to dodge 40% of lightspeed hurling slug at him. Not mention that if it fired to the ground, you can say good bye to that ground because that energy is similar to nuclear strength blasts, besides being massively powerful.

3.)Possibly, since Starkiller showed that it is possible to stop a star destroyer only using force. However, I don't know how much a jedi can generate the force to stop the 40% lightspeed of hurling 3000ton slug, generated 51.6 gigatons of TNT.

Frankly, I can agree that any starship's weapons such as turbolasers or ion cannon can overwhelm a jedi...

About question 3, I'm not sure. I'll have to research more about that.

Sparty Boy 117


What I'd like to know, is if a mac round was shot into the ground , how deep would the hole it created be?


Answer to your question...

If you're preferring to 64 kiloton of TNT generated by standard MAC (Frigate), my guess that it would cause from 350 to 550 feet deep of crater and size of diameters would be similar as well.

Also if you're referring to 51.6 gigaton of TNT generated by Super MAC... well. It'd cause massive crater, destroy entire environment in blast radius, sending massive shock-wave in blast radius.


Starkiller was a unique Jedi, of course, but I doubt he'd be able to stop a freight train, as it were, moving that fast. Especially since moving as fast as it does, Einstein kicks in and time itself is out of wack. Effectively, the MAC slug's perception of time is significantly slowed down, giving it the impression its actually traveling even faster to those not within its time bubble.

Like how a Spartan's reflexes are so fast everyone and everything around them looks like they're moving in slow motion.

So the SMAC slug might actually obliterate Flash and the Jedi before they could react. Jedi can sense future events, but when what the future holds is 40% faster then when you think its coming due to relativistic effects, the Jedi might very well be wiped out before they can react. They've never had to deal with time obscurity before (at least not most of them)


This settles it, Halo beats Star Wars! :D
Not even close. When you compare a damn MAC station to a single Jedi, you're out of your mind.


Apparently somebody's sarcasm meter is out of batteries >.>

  • 06.02.2011 8:54 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Apparently somebody's sarcasm meter is out of batteries >.>


I do not take a false statement any less than that of a true one.

  • 06.02.2011 9:06 PM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
Armor Lock as you saw it in Reach really wasn't very canonical, Armor Lock like that of John when he crashed into Earth, he would vaporize in seconds.

Yes.

No. If you count all the Jedi who ever lived from the Sith Wars to after the Invasion of the Vong, It doesn't even add up to 1 million.

The AL thing you said is wrong. Your not INVINCIBLE, you just put all the power in the shields. Those things you said are two very diffrent things. I wish they changed the name from AL to overload or somthing so i would not have to post this every day.

  • 06.02.2011 9:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Makko Mace
MAC's move at.04 the speed of light. .4 is ridicoulous and wrong.
Halo wiki says 60% the speed of light. source

Seeing as Flash moves at the speed of light, I think, he should be able to outrun a MAC round.

  • 06.02.2011 9:55 PM PDT

As Sgt. Johnson said in Halo 2, "That MAC gun can put a round clean through a Covenant Capital Ship."

  • 06.03.2011 12:11 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
This settles it, Halo beats Star Wars! :D


I knew it

*goes to post on Star Wars forums to upset a plethora of people

  • 06.03.2011 12:38 AM PDT

no, no and no, and here are my reasons!

1) armour lock is balls, there is no single way that a SPARTAN in his armour lock state can survive being hit by something on the level of 80 or so kilotons of TNT, that is around five times the amount of energy that wiped out Hiroshima in WWII, hitting you on the head...!

2) no, not a chance again, because fair enough the flash is fast as hell, but at 100 feet with the muzzle velocity of a MAC the round would hit him in nano-seconds, which is far far far beyond reaction time of anything living, the round would hit him faster than the signal from his eyes could reach his brain, so he would never react...!

3) again no, same reason as above, the round would hit them before reaction time would allow them to try to do anything about it, no amount of fantasy balls can get around that fact, fair enough they are Jedi and have the 'force' but it still doesn't change the fact that they are deep down, just living creatures, bound by the same rules as living beings, such as the electrical activity inside the nervous system, which can only be so fast.

think of it like this, I am lying on a hill X distance away with a sniper rifle, you are looking right at me. you are stationary and I aim for your head, squeeze the trigger. the flash from the barrel reaches your eyes almost instantly due to the speed of light, but your reaction time prevents you from avoiding certain death, you just don't have enough time to react from the moment you see the muzzle flash to the moment the round hits you in the forehead, sorry but its just reality.

  • 06.03.2011 4:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

If you shot someone with a MAC round and they Armorlocked, they'd survive it completely intact, then the EMP would disable your ship/MAC cannon and allow for a 1-hit kill melee from the Spartan.

Clearly a balanced ability for Multiplayer right here, folks.

  • 06.03.2011 5:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Slade
If you shot someone with a MAC round and they Armorlocked, they'd survive it completely intact, then the EMP would disable your ship/MAC cannon and allow for a 1-hit kill melee from the Spartan.

Clearly a balanced ability for Multiplayer right here, folks.

Haha, just gotta time it right!

  • 06.03.2011 7:16 AM PDT

Exact science, is not an exact science.

Plastic 12" ruler + bend away from face + Release = EL SMACKO!!

(That hard)

  • 06.03.2011 7:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Luke35120
Halo wiki says 60% the speed of light. source

Not any more it doesn't. Even their source disagreed with them.

  • 06.03.2011 7:57 AM PDT

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