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Subject: Does everyone in the UNSC really have neural implants?

Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
I would assume all of the military personnel do have neural implants though. Thats how they're listed as friendlies on your radar I think.
There's no doubt that marines have IFF (identify friend or foe) transponders. There is doubt whether they are attached to the uniform or to their nervous system.

  • 06.11.2011 8:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: SSgt Shapiro
Yeah, I can agree with that. But I'm not suggesting the implant serves that function exclusively. The posts above me wrote about possible MedRef's and HUD, where the HUD would probably need to be a neural implant.

The only thing I find odd about the HUD is having it appear in your eyes without a visor. That's why I don't think it works like that. It makes more sense to just have it in the visor on the helmet, and the reticle comes from the ssmartlink scope.

Chip in a shoulder can still have guys medical record and read his pulse...

  • 06.11.2011 8:48 AM PDT


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Posted by: Makko Mace
Yes they do. Also in the landfall live action trailers you can actually see them being installed. (90% sure, havnt seen them for a while)


I remember you are right.

Do you mean the thing they put to the guys shoulder? I already talked about it in the OP.

EDIT: Also, source for implant being in everyone?


source that not eweryone has it? Atleast somthing says that eweryone has it but nothing says that someone doesnt hawe it

  • 06.11.2011 9:49 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Probably only officers have them.

  • 06.11.2011 9:51 AM PDT

the chip in arm can be damaged.... but if the chip inside the skull is damaged them the host dies

  • 06.11.2011 9:56 AM PDT

Posted by: iamironman4611
"Hello, I am Ring Moniter 666 John Cena".

I imagine they just stab a little RFID chip onto a nerve in their thigh or on their arm or something. I imagine Naval officers get real chips.

  • 06.11.2011 10:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil
I imagine they just stab a little RFID chip onto a nerve in their thigh or on their arm or something. I imagine Naval officers get real chips.

Something like this is what I believe.

Also, I updated OP with new info.

  • 07.04.2011 7:52 AM PDT


Posted by: AnubissWarior
the chip in arm can be damaged.... but if the chip inside the skull is damaged them the host dies


Yeah, people loose arms and legs...

Also.

The standard neural interface has basic functions. It acts as a "friend or foe" indicator, so that radar signatures will pick up the owner's signature and identify it as friendly. This way, the wearer appears as a "yellow" blip on the motion tracker of another soldier's heads-up display and friendly fire is less likely. It also shows the targeting reticule of the gun chosen.

The neural interface is implanted at the base of the skull and cannot be removed without killing its owner or through sophisticated surgery. The standard interface is implanted in all UNSC military personnel upon activation, but it can be replaced with a more specialized neural lace should the need arise.

Ship commanders receive command neural interfaces, while the SPARTAN-IIs have received the more specialized "SPARTAN neural interface".
from Halopedia.

  • 07.04.2011 8:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: AnubissWarior
the chip in arm can be damaged.... but if the chip inside the skull is damaged them the host dies


Yeah, people loose arms and legs...

Sounds like he's saying that if chip in brain gets damaged, it can fry the brain... And stuff can go trough your brain without killing you, so you can lose chip like that.

Also.

The standard neural interface has basic functions. It acts as a "friend or foe" indicator, so that radar signatures will pick up the owner's signature and identify it as friendly. This way, the wearer appears as a "yellow" blip on the motion tracker of another soldier's heads-up display and friendly fire is less likely. It also shows the targeting reticule of the gun chosen.

The neural interface is implanted at the base of the skull and cannot be removed without killing its owner or through sophisticated surgery. The standard interface is implanted in all UNSC military personnel upon activation, but it can be replaced with a more specialized neural lace should the need arise.

Ship commanders receive command neural interfaces, while the SPARTAN-IIs have received the more specialized "SPARTAN neural interface".
from Halopedia.

That page, as said in the OP, doesn't have sources.

  • 07.04.2011 8:28 AM PDT

Doesn't the fall of Reach make a mention by John talking about the neural interfaces being a requirement in the UNSC?

Also, I took the line more as "If the person gets hit in the head in combat by the Covenant with a projectile, the dude is dead." It's never said (IIRC) that the implant being damaged would kill the person. Only if it was removed.

Edit: Even if it doesn't have sources, how does the description come around? It's fitting, matches the lore...

[Edited on 07.04.2011 9:13 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 9:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: Even if it doesn't have sources, how does the description come around? It's fitting, matches the lore...


Because anyone who's skilled at writing can make it up on their own and make it fit. Regardless of how great and fitting it sounds, it still doesn't change the fact that unless it was stated in/by an official source, it's not official within the universe.

  • 07.04.2011 9:20 AM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: Even if it doesn't have sources, how does the description come around? It's fitting, matches the lore...


Because anyone who's skilled at writing can make it up on their own and make it fit. Regardless of how great and fitting it sounds, it still doesn't change the fact that unless it was stated in/by an official source, it's not official within the universe.


I don't have the original trilogy of books with me, but I'm fairly sure in fall of Reach John makes a statement about it.

  • 07.04.2011 9:33 AM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

Fear the Red Comet

Variety is the spice of life.
Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: Even if it doesn't have sources, how does the description come around? It's fitting, matches the lore...


Because anyone who's skilled at writing can make it up on their own and make it fit. Regardless of how great and fitting it sounds, it still doesn't change the fact that unless it was stated in/by an official source, it's not official within the universe.


I don't have the original trilogy of books with me, but I'm fairly sure in fall of Reach John makes a statement about it.


I'm currently skimming the book now to confirm. As it stands the book directly contradicts the claims of Spartans having a specialized neural interface. Page 281 of the reissue:

A moment later, Dr. Halsey entered. "This will just take a moment, Master Chief. We're going to upgrade a few components in your standard-issue neural interface. Lie back and remain still, please."


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And as we should all know, the reason why the Chief got that upgrade in the first place was to sync with Cortana. So in other words no other Spartan that we know of other than Black Four had received such upgrades to make them stand out amongst the standard issue neural lace of other personnel making the notion of a unique so-called "SPARTAN neural interface" throughout the ranks of the S-IIs, absurd.

  • 07.04.2011 9:48 AM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: Even if it doesn't have sources, how does the description come around? It's fitting, matches the lore...


Because anyone who's skilled at writing can make it up on their own and make it fit. Regardless of how great and fitting it sounds, it still doesn't change the fact that unless it was stated in/by an official source, it's not official within the universe.


I don't have the original trilogy of books with me, but I'm fairly sure in fall of Reach John makes a statement about it.


I'm currently skimming the book now to confirm. As it stands the book directly contradicts the claims of Spartans having a specialized neural interface. Page 281 of the reissue:

A moment later, Dr. Halsey entered. "This will just take a moment, Master Chief. We're going to upgrade a few components in your standard-issue neural interface. Lie back and remain still, please."


-----------
And as we should all know, the reason why the Chief got that upgrade in the first place was to sync with Cortana. So in other words no other Spartan that we know of other than Black Four had received such upgrades to make them stand out amongst the standard issue neural lace of other personnel making the notion of a unique so-called "SPARTAN neural interface" throughout the ranks of the S-IIs, absurd.


But still, standard issue. Does imply that most, if not all UNSC personnel get it. Though the spartan neural interface bit might be from the upgrade in halo wars? I've seen other pages doing things like that.

  • 07.04.2011 9:52 AM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

Fear the Red Comet

Variety is the spice of life.
Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: Even if it doesn't have sources, how does the description come around? It's fitting, matches the lore...


Because anyone who's skilled at writing can make it up on their own and make it fit. Regardless of how great and fitting it sounds, it still doesn't change the fact that unless it was stated in/by an official source, it's not official within the universe.


I don't have the original trilogy of books with me, but I'm fairly sure in fall of Reach John makes a statement about it.


I'm currently skimming the book now to confirm. As it stands the book directly contradicts the claims of Spartans having a specialized neural interface. Page 281 of the reissue:

A moment later, Dr. Halsey entered. "This will just take a moment, Master Chief. We're going to upgrade a few components in your standard-issue neural interface. Lie back and remain still, please."


-----------
And as we should all know, the reason why the Chief got that upgrade in the first place was to sync with Cortana. So in other words no other Spartan that we know of other than Black Four had received such upgrades to make them stand out amongst the standard issue neural lace of other personnel making the notion of a unique so-called "SPARTAN neural interface" throughout the ranks of the S-IIs, absurd.


But still, standard issue. Does imply that most, if not all UNSC personnel get it. Though the spartan neural interface bit might be from the upgrade in halo wars? I've seen other pages doing things like that.


I'm not contesting on whether or not the neural laces were wide spread, but instead whether or not the chunk of information about them on Halopedia actually has basis from established sources or is made up on the spot.

The AI port in Halo Wars is only a gameplay element much like the shields were. The Chief was the first Spartan to demonstrate that the Spartan and MJOLNIR armor could support an AI. That only happens later on with the Mk V. It's demonstrated again by Black IV and his skunkswork version of MJOLNIR in Bloodlines, which takes place after the Chief's inaugural test.

Now interestingly enough (baffles me why Halopedian doesn't cite when they do have legitimate information presented), in the process of writing this particular post I did come across an entry in Halsey's journal (March 24, 2549)that confirms the intent that Halsey planned to upgrade all of the SII's implants with the same upgrades the Chief would eventually receive:

This is the final Mark V upgrade we need...my final gift to the Spartans; a gift that will make them ferociously effective against the technology of the adversary-the last thing I can offer to help them survive.
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Had all of the SIIs received the upgrade the term "Spartan Neural Lace" would be an apt one, but it seems that ultimately only the Chief would receive it among the mainstream SIIs, likely due to the lack of other AIs accompanying them on Red Flag.

  • 07.04.2011 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: Even if it doesn't have sources, how does the description come around? It's fitting, matches the lore...


Because anyone who's skilled at writing can make it up on their own and make it fit. Regardless of how great and fitting it sounds, it still doesn't change the fact that unless it was stated in/by an official source, it's not official within the universe.


I don't have the original trilogy of books with me, but I'm fairly sure in fall of Reach John makes a statement about it.


I'm currently skimming the book now to confirm. As it stands the book directly contradicts the claims of Spartans having a specialized neural interface. Page 281 of the reissue:

A moment later, Dr. Halsey entered. "This will just take a moment, Master Chief. We're going to upgrade a few components in your standard-issue neural interface. Lie back and remain still, please."


-----------
And as we should all know, the reason why the Chief got that upgrade in the first place was to sync with Cortana. So in other words no other Spartan that we know of other than Black Four had received such upgrades to make them stand out amongst the standard issue neural lace of other personnel making the notion of a unique so-called "SPARTAN neural interface" throughout the ranks of the S-IIs, absurd.


But still, standard issue. Does imply that most, if not all UNSC personnel get it. Though the spartan neural interface bit might be from the upgrade in halo wars? I've seen other pages doing things like that.
Or it is the standard issue implant that ship captains get.

And, as stated in the waypoint VISR page (this link was already in the OP):The Visual Intelligence System Reconnaissance Class, or VISR, is one of these, now used by a wide spectrum of Special Operations personnel. Unlike the variant used by SPARTAN-II super-soldiers, there is no neural interface prerequisite to the VISR. Despite this, it operates in a very similar manner to the heads-up display incorporated into the Mark V and Mark VI suites of MJOLNIR software.
So, it is "used by a wide spectrum of Special Operations personnel" and doesn't require neural interface. Doesn't that imply that most SpecOps personnel don't have the neural interface?

EDIT: Also, as I said above, if people get their HUD on their eyes, why the the green eyepiece exists? (Don't say it shows stuff that they don't see in their brain, it doesn't make sense to show only few things when you could "show" it all) And it's clearly not for protection, as it covers only one eye.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 11:26 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 11:22 AM PDT

Or the green eyepiece doesn't give the same things the implant does. Also, why would Spartans get ship captain implants? I doubt those implants are standard issue for soldiers.

The prerequiste can mean many things.

A: It simply doesn't require anything beyond the basic UNSC soldier neural interface.
B: Standard soldiers simply don't have an implant.

and so on. Like in racing games, there is no requirement for the beginner cars(in some) but does that mean the character doesn't have a license?

Another thing for the eyepiece. The implant provides FoF marker, and can provide the reticule for the weapon. The eyepiece/helms provide the full HUD. (Hence why they can shoot accurately with the assault rifle, which doesn't have any sights, EVEN without a helm.) And if they die/their health drops low, the IMPLANT would be able to recognize that and send it to squadmates, where if it was part of the helm a discarded helm would tell teammates the fellow is dead.

  • 07.04.2011 11:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Or the green eyepiece doesn't give the same things the implant does. But why the implant couldn't give those things? Also, why would Spartans get ship captain implants? Maybe it has different software? I doubt those implants are standard issue for soldiers.

The prerequiste can mean many things.

A: It simply doesn't require anything beyond the basic UNSC soldier neural interface. But it says it DOESN'T require neural interface to work
B: Standard soldiers simply don't have an implant. That's what I've been saying

and so on. Like in racing games, there is no requirement for the beginner cars(in some) but does that mean the character doesn't have a license?

Another thing for the eyepiece. The implant provides FoF marker, and can provide the reticule for the weapon. The eyepiece/helms provide the full HUD. (Hence why they can shoot accurately with the assault rifle, which doesn't have any sights, EVEN without a helm.) Doesn't AR have iron sights that come out if you push a button? Also, I'm not saying no-one has it. And if they die/their health drops low, the IMPLANT would be able to recognize that and send it to squadmates, where if it was part of the helm a discarded helm would tell teammates the fellow is dead. The IMPLANT can also be a simple CHIP that is on shoulder (they put something there in Arms race), or in the neck, where it can read persons pulse.


EDIT: Not trying to be a -blam!- (<-imagine something negative there), but have you read the OP?

[Edited on 07.04.2011 12:14 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 12:03 PM PDT

there is no neural interface prerequisite to the VISR

Says nothing that implies to me "no implant = it works fine." Simply means everybody in the UNSC with an implant can use the VISR, as it requires no specific or special upgrade.

Though to expand, Keyes(a ship captain) had a COMMAND neural lace. Not a standard issue neural implant.

About the AR iron sights, not sure. I've personally never heard about it.

I have looked over the OP, and I'm simply pointing out why I see it being a neural implant as standard for a UNSC soldier.

Put it in the arms, there is a chance that it'll get blown off, but the person is still alive. Put FoF in the armor, chance it could get damaged, or if they rush out without armor. If they defect, they could easily steal another persons armor and use it to sneak up (for rebel time-periods). Placing the FoF tracker and basic health monitoring in a neural implant (Which as far as we know, the basic ones are not visible from the outside.) that cannot be easily removed makes an easy way for squadmates to keep track of each other and not worrying about somebody's FoF 'chip' being damaged.

A final thing, concerning the HUD bit. How would the HUD be able to monitor the wearers health if it was not, in some basic way, 'connected' to their body. easiest and most effective way would be a neural implant, slide helm on, bam the Helm and neural implant are basically touching and thus the implant can transfer health and FoF information to the health without worry of jamming.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 12:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
there is no neural interface prerequisite to the VISR

Says nothing that implies to me "no implant = it works fine." Simply means everybody in the UNSC with an implant can use the VISR, as it requires no specific or special upgrade. I guess it could be read like that, but there's this (notice italic part):Unlike the variant used by SPARTAN-II super-soldiers, there is no neural interface prerequisite to the VISR And that one guy dug up a part from the book that says that the NI that spartans have is standard issue.

Though to expand, Keyes(a ship captain) had a COMMAND neural lace. Not a standard issue neural implant.

About the AR iron sights, not sure. I've personally never heard about it.

I have looked over the OP, and I'm simply pointing out why I see it being a neural implant as standard for a UNSC soldier.

Put it in the arms, there is a chance that it'll get blown off, but the person is still alive. Put FoF in the armor, chance it could get damaged, or if they rush out without armor. If they defect, they could easily steal another persons armor and use it to sneak up (for rebel time-periods). It could also be in the neck, if stolen from there, it would say that the guy was dead for few seconds, which probably would be noticed Placing the FoF tracker and basic health monitoring in a neural implant (Which as far as we know, the basic ones are not visible from the outside. Which would mean that they open up the skull of everyone and lose the time it takes to heal the skull) that cannot be easily removed makes an easy way for squadmates to keep track of each other and not worrying about somebody's FoF 'chip' being damaged.

A final thing, concerning the HUD bit. How would the HUD be able to monitor the wearers health I think the "bars" are just for gameplay if it was not, in some basic way, 'connected' to their body. As I said, chip in the neck, next to blood vessel (pulse) and maybe neural cord (brain functions) easiest Opening persons skull is not easy compared to injecting something to the neck/shoulder and most effective way would be a neural implant, slide helm on, bam the Helm and neural implant are basically touching No, they wouldn't be. There would be the skull between them. and thus the implant can transfer health and FoF information to the health without worry of jamming. That info would still need to be sent to the others

  • 07.04.2011 12:46 PM PDT

And it(John's implant) was being upgraded for Mark V armor and the AI interface. Also that upgrade pretty much healed rather quickly. Stated on the page (with Halsey's journal diagram) is the Spartan neural interface is an upgrade to the standard one, given before receiving Mark V.

Depends how the medical advances go. A simply surgery at the end of basic training wouldn't be that hard.

I'm just putting my viewpoints forward, a general neural implant would be the easiest and most effective way to go. A 'chip' injected into the neck would take just as much effort IMO as installing a neural implant at the base of the skull (not inside of it.) Heck look at the skulls ingame, every one of them has a neural interface. I mean, heck if I had two choices, a chip placed next to a blood vessel and my spinal cord, or a complete neural implant, I'd pick the implant.

As for transmitting it to others, that'd be the job of the helm comm system no?

  • 07.04.2011 1:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
And it(John's implant) was being upgraded for Mark V armor and the AI interface. Also that upgrade pretty much healed rather quickly. The implant was already there, so didn't she just pull out the old stuff and put new stuff in? No skull-drilling required, so it wouldn't do anything to tissue Stated on the page (with Halsey's journal diagram) is the Spartan neural interface is an upgrade to the standard one, given before receiving Mark V. Not sure if should put this here or somewhere else, but the VISR page says that SPARTAN version requires NI, and the VISR for "normal" people doesn't.

Depends how the medical advances go. A simply surgery at the end of basic training wouldn't be that hard.

I'm just putting my viewpoints forward, a general neural implant would be the easiest and most effective way to go. A 'chip' injected into the neck would take just as much effort IMO as installing a neural implant at the base of the skull (not inside of it.)While in the journal it looks like it's just on top of the skull, in-game skulls look the same, and in them, part of the back has been sawed off, so I belive a simple injection would be easier. And when I said spinal cord, I meant a nerve, so it's not that dangerous Heck look at the skulls ingame, every one of them has a neural interface. I mean, heck if I had two choices, a chip placed next to a blood vessel and my spinal cord, or a complete neural implant, I'd pick the implant.

As for transmitting it to others, that'd be the job of the helm comm system no? But what if you lose your helmet? I believe the chip has its own transmitter, maybe not so powerful, but the sensors of a evac craft probably are (powerful).


[Edited on 07.04.2011 1:37 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 1:36 PM PDT

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Bump. (sorry, had to)

  • 07.05.2011 11:37 AM PDT

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