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Subject: Huge gap in the halo storyline.

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Ok, here is something that seems like a hole in the halo storyline. Noble team is mostly Spartan III's, but it is a well known fact that spartan III's were not meant to work with the UNSC openly, it's not even until after John blows up the first ring that Dr. Halsey knows about the Spartan III project led by ackerson, so how do you fill that gap in? And Jorge, how the hell did a Spartan II get assigned to a Spartan III group that was top secret and the spartan III's worked openly with high ranking UNSC officers and with the basic marines when they were never meant to be heard of?

  • 06.05.2011 11:31 PM PDT

Halsey didn't know they were Spartan III's, read her diary, all she knew was that they were a group of Spartans developed by ONI behind her back. The Jorge thing still puzzles me.

  • 06.05.2011 11:33 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

What "Jorge thing?"

  • 06.05.2011 11:57 PM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

It's ridiculous how many unanswered questions there are about Noble.
Why was Noble formed?
When was Noble formed?
How did Jorge become involved?
Why is Carter so old?
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined?
Is Rosenda still alive?
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank?
How did Noble's previous members die?
Why do they all have such high ranks?

  • 06.05.2011 11:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Posted by: jack0fhearts
What "Jorge thing?"
How a spartan II could be paired up with a team of Spartan III's and Halsey not know about it.

  • 06.06.2011 12:01 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Posted by: reptile1892
It's ridiculous how many unanswered questions there are about Noble.
Why was Noble formed?
When was Noble formed?
How did Jorge become involved?
Why is Carter so old?
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined?
Is Rosenda still alive?
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank?
How did Noble's previous members die?
Why do they all have such high ranks?


one more to add, how did jorge escape the grasps of halsey, she would know if he died and he was operating in plain sight, not like kurt.

  • 06.06.2011 12:02 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: reptile1892
It's ridiculous how many unanswered questions there are about Noble.
Why was Noble formed?
When was Noble formed?
How did Jorge become involved?
Why is Carter so old?
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined?
Is Rosenda still alive?
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank?
How did Noble's previous members die?
Why do they all have such high ranks?


I am going to take a go at answering the above:

Why was Noble formed? Picking the best and brightest and forming them into a lethal squad, rather than wasting them on high casualty rated missions.
When was Noble formed? I would expect that the team was either formed when the first candidates were plucked from Alpha Company - or (more wilder theory) that the team was originally made of SII's, Jorge being the last survivor and SIII's were there to bulk the team up through losses - eventually becoming the majority of the force ?
How did Jorge become involved? Please see above - or Jorge was involved as he provided experience to the, at the time of creating, inexperienced SIII's
Why is Carter so old? Everyone lies about their age, I did it to get booze when I was younger ! Joking, maybe Carter lied about his age or is secretly a washout / reject from the SII programme (highly doubtful) this, for me, is the toughest to explain.
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined? Trying to shoot straight, They were possibly with the first two companies of SIII's but were plucked out to form/beef up Noble Team
Is Rosenda still alive? Probably not, as Noble Team (on accounf of Tom / N6) only get new members to replace lost ones.
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank? Perhaps his details were given over the radio and word spread ? Or, more than likely, this is just an error on Bungie's part.
How did Noble's previous members die? We know how Tom dies, but the others not so sure - more than likely on some nasty high risk mission prior to Reach
Why do they all have such high ranks?[/

[Edited on 06.06.2011 12:23 AM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 12:18 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: reptile1892
It's ridiculous how many unanswered questions there are about Noble.
Why was Noble formed?
When was Noble formed?
How did Jorge become involved?
Why is Carter so old?
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined?
Is Rosenda still alive?
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank?
How did Noble's previous members die?
Why do they all have such high ranks?


I am going to take a go at answering the above:

Why was Noble formed? Picking the best and brightest and forming them into a lethal squad, rather than wasting them on high casualty rated missions.
When was Noble formed? I would expect that the team was either formed when the first candidates were plaucked from Alpha Company - or (more wilder theory) that the team was originally made of SII's, Jorge being the last survivor and SIII's were there to bulk the team up through losses - eventually becoming the majority of the force ?
How did Jorge become involved? Please see above - or Jorge was involved as he provided experience to the, at the time of creating, inexperienced SIII's
Why is Carter so old? Everyone lies about their age, I did it to get booze when I was younger ! Joking, maybe Carter lied about his age or is secretly a washout / reject from the SII programme (highly doubtful) this, for me, is the toughest to explain.
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined? Trying to shoot straight, They were possibly with the first two companies of SIII's but were plucked out to form/beef up Noble Team
Is Rosenda still alive? Probably not, as Noble Team (on accounf of Tom / N6) only get new members to replace lost ones.
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank? Perhaps his details were given over the radio and word spread ? Or, more than likely, this is just an error on Bungie's part.
How did Noble's previous members die? We know how Tom dies, but the others not so sure - more than likely on some nasty high risk mission prior to Reach
Why do they all have such high ranks?[/

The answer you gave on jorge and how they were formed lacked some ingenuity, but it was an amazing attempt. Halsey would have definitely noticed if the scrub of all scrubs of the S-II program was "MIA" without proper witnesses.

  • 06.06.2011 12:23 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: colbyrules8
[The answer you gave on jorge and how they were formed lacked some ingenuity, but it was an amazing attempt. Halsey would have definitely noticed if the scrub of all scrubs of the S-II program was "MIA" without proper witnesses.


YEah I sat here and had a think and it literally was the best I could come up with. I still like the idea Noble were orignally SII's but had SIII's drafted in to fill casualties and Jorge is the sole survivor.

But that maybe stretching the canon elastic a bit too far !

  • 06.06.2011 12:25 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: colbyrules8
How a spartan II could be paired up with a team of Spartan III's and Halsey not know about it.

It's my understanding that he was one of the Spartan II's who "died" after augmentation, and was taken by ONI in a very "cloak and dagger" manner. Halsey probably knew about this, or found out one way or another.

  • 06.06.2011 12:35 AM PDT

Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: colbyrules8
How a spartan II could be paired up with a team of Spartan III's and Halsey not know about it.

It's my understanding that he was one of the Spartan II's who "died" after augmentation, and was taken by ONI in a very "cloak and dagger" manner. Halsey probably knew about this, or found out one way or another.

Damn it, that was my idea for my machinima... I thought it was very original.

  • 06.06.2011 12:40 AM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

Posted by: Richomack360
I am going to take a go at answering the above:

Why was Noble formed? Picking the best and brightest and forming them into a lethal squad, rather than wasting them on high casualty rated missions.
When was Noble formed? I would expect that the team was either formed when the first candidates were plucked from Alpha Company - or (more wilder theory) that the team was originally made of SII's, Jorge being the last survivor and SIII's were there to bulk the team up through losses - eventually becoming the majority of the force ?
How did Jorge become involved? Please see above - or Jorge was involved as he provided experience to the, at the time of creating, inexperienced SIII's
Why is Carter so old? Everyone lies about their age, I did it to get booze when I was younger ! Joking, maybe Carter lied about his age or is secretly a washout / reject from the SII programme (highly doubtful) this, for me, is the toughest to explain.
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined? Trying to shoot straight, They were possibly with the first two companies of SIII's but were plucked out to form/beef up Noble Team
Is Rosenda still alive? Probably not, as Noble Team (on accounf of Tom / N6) only get new members to replace lost ones.
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank? Perhaps his details were given over the radio and word spread ? Or, more than likely, this is just an error on Bungie's part.
How did Noble's previous members die? We know how Tom dies, but the others not so sure - more than likely on some nasty high risk mission prior to Reach
Why do they all have such high ranks?
I should've numbered these from the start. It would've made things easier.
1. Accepted.
2. Carter and Kat are the only original members of Noble left, which means the team wasn't formed until after beta was finished.
3. Good answer, but that's more of a 'why' rather than a 'how'.
4. Tough to explain, indeed. Too young to be an S-II, should be too old for alpha. S-II class 2? Precursor to the S-III project?
5. See answer 2. That's why it confuses the hell out of me that they're both from alpha.
6. It was mentioned somewhere (personnel files, I think) that Rosenda would rotate into Emile's place if they had to deal with Innies. She is probably dead, but she was presumably alive before the game started.
7. Accepted
8. Agreed, but it's late and my head is being stupid because of certain other things I need to deal with. What my question should've been is "How many prior members has Noble had?".

[Edited on 06.06.2011 1:02 AM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 1:01 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: reptile1892
It's ridiculous how many unanswered questions there are about Noble.
Why was Noble formed?
When was Noble formed?
How did Jorge become involved?
Why is Carter so old?
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined?
Is Rosenda still alive?
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank?
How did Noble's previous members die?
Why do they all have such high ranks?


I am going to take a go at answering the above:

Why was Noble formed? Picking the best and brightest and forming them into a lethal squad, rather than wasting them on high casualty rated missions.
When was Noble formed? I would expect that the team was either formed when the first candidates were plucked from Alpha Company - or (more wilder theory) that the team was originally made of SII's, Jorge being the last survivor and SIII's were there to bulk the team up through losses - eventually becoming the majority of the force ?
How did Jorge become involved? Please see above - or Jorge was involved as he provided experience to the, at the time of creating, inexperienced SIII's
Why is Carter so old? Everyone lies about their age, I did it to get booze when I was younger ! Joking, maybe Carter lied about his age or is secretly a washout / reject from the SII programme (highly doubtful) this, for me, is the toughest to explain.
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined? Trying to shoot straight, They were possibly with the first two companies of SIII's but were plucked out to form/beef up Noble Team
Is Rosenda still alive? Probably not, as Noble Team (on accounf of Tom / N6) only get new members to replace lost ones.
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank? Perhaps his details were given over the radio and word spread ? Or, more than likely, this is just an error on Bungie's part.
How did Noble's previous members die? We know how Tom dies, but the others not so sure - more than likely on some nasty high risk mission prior to Reach
Why do they all have such high ranks?[/


Why was Noble formed? To gather all the Spartan II-valued Spartan III's as to avoid them getting sent to suicide missions.
When was Noble formed? Sometime after Beta company was formed, seeing how Kat is from Beta company.
How did Jorge become involved? Most probably the same way as Kurt did.
Why is Carter so old? He fit the genetic standards to be both a Spartan III and a Spartan II, they wouldn't waste that opportunity away.
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined? They were training/going to missions with the rest of Alpha company, Carter included
Is Rosenda still alive? Yeah, Holland commented on replacing Emile with Rosenda if an insurrection related mission came up, that was right before Winter Contingency, although due to Rosenda being scrapped from the game, it did not happen.
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank? They have a neural implant that shows the information of the other soldiers, like name and rank on their HUD.
How did Noble's previous members die? They probably died in a similar way to Thom and other Spartans through the series.
Why do they all have such high ranks? Because they are an Spec Ops team and as such, they are not meant to be bossed around by other people. That way they wouldn't get their primary objection changed by say, a sergeant.

Oh yeah, just a FYI for everybody, Carter and Kat are the only original members from Noble Team left by Halo: Reach, so no, Noble Team was not made up by Spartan II's and had Spartan III's added as the members died.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 1:05 AM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 1:03 AM PDT

We Are The Meta.

For those wondering who The 1st Noble 6 was Thom 293.

He died April 22nd 2552 on unspecified human colony during Covenant invasion. He picked up the bomb Kat was carrying and he took the mission since Kat lost her right arm.

If you're unsure about what I'm telling you, look up the full version of Halo Reach Deliver Hope Trailer. Specifically at Noble 6, that'll tell you everything.

  • 06.06.2011 1:59 AM PDT

<(-_-)> Teh mokey is not amused

Never mind, someone beat me to it.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 2:13 AM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 2:11 AM PDT

Posted by: reptile1892
It's ridiculous how many unanswered questions there are about Noble.
Why was Noble formed?
When was Noble formed?
How did Jorge become involved?
Why is Carter so old?
What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined?
Is Rosenda still alive?
Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank?
How did Noble's previous members die?
Why do they all have such high ranks?


Noble was created as its its members were genetically superior to the rest of the S III's, it would have been wasteful to stifle their potential.

Hard to tell when Noble was formed as there may have been previous members of the team (alpha company III's) that died before the Beta company III's were integrated,

As we know Noble now ( including kat and "old" 6. Thom-B293) I would say a minimum of 4 years prior to the fall of reach- 2458. Although it could have been earlier considering the graduation age of the select S III's may have been less than 18.

Jorge was probably incorporated to provide experience/ specific skill set/ replacement for KIA member of Noble

Carters age doesn't seem to fit canon, and may be solely to emphasize his leadership status and authority.

Jun and Emile's status is unknown, they may have been operating lone wolf or as a 2 man team (headhunter style).

I'm pretty sure Rosenda was just a concept that got cut, and is only mentioned in Emile's profile, don't dwell on it.

Soldiers know Noble's rank due to IFF tags.

The only previous member of Noble team confirmed yo have died is Thom-B293, he died blowing up a covenant ship with a havok tactical nuke, as seen in the Deliver Hope live action trailer.

And as for rank, the only logical reason I can give is a game play decision. most players would be more familiar with commissioned ranks (e.g. lieutenant and commander) opposed to NONCOM ranks that are usually attributed to the Spartan II's

[Edited on 06.06.2011 2:19 AM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 2:17 AM PDT

as for Jorge being part of the team without Halsey knowing, what about Kurt from Ghost's of Onyx, his death was staged from an elaborate plan by ONI so that Halsey would not know about it in order for hi to train the next generation of spartans

[Edited on 06.06.2011 3:37 AM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 3:35 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Posted by: TastyGman
as for Jorge being part of the team without Halsey knowing, what about Kurt from Ghost's of Onyx, his death was staged from an elaborate plan by ONI so that Halsey would not know about it in order for hi to train the next generation of spartans

But kurt was hidden on a top secret world where the only people he came in contact with was high ranking officers in secret meetings and spartan III's, jorge was on the frontlines, so they took him from one front line fighting group , staged his death and then put him onto another front line fighting group? That would be too risky, especially being on a mission that involved halsey.

  • 06.06.2011 4:36 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: TastyGman
as for Jorge being part of the team without Halsey knowing, what about Kurt from Ghost's of Onyx, his death was staged from an elaborate plan by ONI so that Halsey would not know about it in order for hi to train the next generation of spartans

But kurt was hidden on a top secret world where the only people he came in contact with was high ranking officers in secret meetings and spartan III's, jorge was on the frontlines, so they took him from one front line fighting group , staged his death and then put him onto another front line fighting group? That would be too risky, especially being on a mission that involved halsey.


Perhaps Jorge was a transferrable asset for Ackerson and his SIII programme in return for more funding for Halsey. Jorge passing his training and experience on, which means a better team, in return for more funding for Halsey ?

Its actually quite an interesting question when you think about it

  • 06.06.2011 4:54 AM PDT

Ok, here's my attempt at provided answers to these questions:

1. Why was Noble Team formed:
This should clear up some of the why about Noble Team's formation.

Basically the team was composed of the IIIs who met the genetic requirements to be Spartan IIs and probably some IIIs who were just amongst the best, and Kurt and Mendez knew it would be a real waste to send them on suicide ops, so they held them back using various excuses and favors and crafted teams like Noble out of them. Looking back, that may have been what they were trying to do with the Spartan III characters in GoO.

2. When was Noble formed:
I don't really have an answer for that, but I'd assume probably around Beta Company's final operation, seeing as Kat is one of the founding members of Noble.

3. How did Jorge become involved:
The simple answer...because ONI wanted him there.
A better answer is that I don't know, but I'd assume that it's because they wanted someone with much more combat experience on the team.

4. Why is Carter so old:
The simple answer is because he is :P
But really, age doesn't mean too much in the Halo universe due to the affects of cryo sleep. Like Johnson is somewhere in his 80s in regards to his actual age, but going by biological age he's probably somewhere in 50s-mid 60s.
So with Carter his chronological age might be 11, but biologically he would probably be younger than that.

5. What were Jun and Emile doing before they joined:
Does it really matter? I'd assume they were either Headhunters or were in other teams similar to Noble.

6. Is Rosenda still alive:
Possibly, I don't know whether she was on Reach or not, so I can't really say.

7. Why do ordinary troopers know Six's rank:
Same way you know the ranks and names of the troopers you pick up as part of your squad when you come across them in the game. Something to do with the neural implants and the Friend or Foe tags or whatever that thing is really called. Or Six has her rank stamped on her armor or something.

8. How did Noble's previous members die:
Well that one's obvious :P
They all died in the line of duty, whether arming bombs, just getting straight up killed or just going MIA.

9. Why do they all have such high ranks:
Because Noble is a spec-ops team and they didn't want them to be able to commandeered by a lowly sergeant or some other low ranked in field officer. Giving them higher ranks gives Noble Team more autonomy in the field and they can't be hijacked from their main objective by just anyone.

  • 06.06.2011 9:25 AM PDT

"Find The Bomb?!
Find The Bomb?!
I'm Looking For The Flag!
What The Heck Is Assualt!?"

Because Reach neglected canon.

  • 06.06.2011 9:32 AM PDT


Posted by: Buggy Virus
Because Reach neglected canon.


*Facedesk* No. Sorry but just no. If what you said were the case then Bungie and Nylund wouldn't have even bothered with creating Halsey's Journal or released any marketing material linking some of the the information on characters or plot from Reach with already existing information.

  • 06.14.2011 4:47 PM PDT