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Subject: Actual constructive criticism of Halo 4 trailer
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Posted by: flamedude
I think the trailer has a heavy dose of artistic license chucked in there, it really seems that it was made by someone with little interest or a loose knowledge of the Halo universe.

HCEA looks amazing and its gameplay footage too so I'm still quietly confident that we will see a big change from Halo 4 CGI to Halo 4 gameplay footage.

That Halo 4 Mjolnir has got to go though, so strange, so pointless.


Why not?(to your first point)

  • 06.07.2011 9:29 AM PDT

Okay guys, there's something you must know about sequels. They add stuff, stuff that wasn't there before, to expand the game experience. It happened in every Halo game before. Heck, it happened even in the prequels (where the -blam!- did all those weapons and technology from HW, ODST and Reach go at the time of H1,2,3?). They usually come up with some paper-thin explanation to justify the appearence or disappearence of these new items ("It's a new model" "They ALL get destroyed on Reach" "They were always there but they weren't used by the Chief in previous adventures"...). These explanations, as paper-thin as they are, are however more than sufficient to justify the introduction of new toys in the Halo universe, because a great story and a solid canon are not defined by THE -blam!- MODELS of guns and veichles used by the characters, but by the characters themselves, the plot, the chronology, the twists, the logic. Story events, factions and protagonists? Don't dare to touch 'em. Guns and equipment? Retcon at will, baby.

Is it clear now?

  • 06.07.2011 9:35 AM PDT

Forklifts never die. They're just missing in Forge.

I like the trailer and his armor, but I have one question.

Where the hell is his codpiece? Seriously, anyone notice it?

  • 06.07.2011 9:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: DonVinzone1
Sight.....I'm getting so incredibly sick and tired of this community. Is there ANYTHING on this world that can please you guys?


Well I suppose you can't have a criticism thread without someone who comes late in the thread and pretends to be the "wise old man" and decries everyone for having criticized.

Reality check buddy: nothing exists that is bereft of criticism. And yet for some reason you're preaching on about how, if people give criticism about the trailer, then surely they have no life? Grade-A logic there.

Would you rather I posted another generic thread that summed up my opinion of the trailer in a non-constructive, grammatically backward statement?

So yes, there are many things that can please a person. Just because me and the others gave criticism does not mean we're displeased with the way Halo 4's going since this is literally all we have in terms of major Halo 4 media at the moment.

And complaining about pacing in a trailer? My God guys....get a damn live. Surely we all know "bad" trailers equal "bad" games....great logic there.

So when did I say a bad trailer equals a bad game?

[Edited on 06.07.2011 9:53 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2011 9:52 AM PDT

question everything...truth has no pedigree

How was this criticism "constructive"?

  • 06.07.2011 10:45 AM PDT
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Worst Halo teaser I've ever seen. But that's an opinion only. A more humble "awakening" of Master Chief would have been better than some explosions and yelling.

  • 06.07.2011 10:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
I think the trailer has a heavy dose of artistic license chucked in there, it really seems that it was made by someone with little interest or a loose knowledge of the Halo universe.

HCEA looks amazing and its gameplay footage too so I'm still quietly confident that we will see a big change from Halo 4 CGI to Halo 4 gameplay footage.

That Halo 4 Mjolnir has got to go though, so strange, so pointless.


Why not?(to your first point)


Why not what??

  • 06.07.2011 10:50 AM PDT

Sgt Sack7

All I can say is that I hope that this game uses the BR over the DMR(or a similar single shot gun), I never really like the DMR...

  • 06.07.2011 11:00 AM PDT

I thought 343 Industries was remaking the first Halo, so coming up with Halo 4 was a pretty big idea. I would expect them to treat it like the other ones, but with the covenant gone, i don't know what there is left to fight, maybe extra flood or something the forerunners were hiding.

  • 06.07.2011 11:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Posted by: flamedude
I think the trailer has a heavy dose of artistic license chucked in there, it really seems that it was made by someone with little interest or a loose knowledge of the Halo universe.

HCEA looks amazing and its gameplay footage too so I'm still quietly confident that we will see a big change from Halo 4 CGI to Halo 4 gameplay footage.

That Halo 4 Mjolnir has got to go though, so strange, so pointless.


Why not?(to your first point)


Why not what??


Forget it i was a bit tired when i said that.

  • 06.07.2011 11:03 AM PDT

Yeah, blue team was beast.

  • 06.07.2011 11:08 AM PDT

I hope this game brings out the spartans more. They never really showed what spartans could do with the fast reflexes and all. They should also include that in the gameplay not just videos.

  • 06.07.2011 11:11 AM PDT

I'm 23, I have a house, dog, girlfriend, job and I have no interest in any fanboyism so if you're thinking about sending me a childish PM, don't be surprised when I don't call back.

The armour reminds me of these guys and while it's a bit odd it's not totally Alien. I liked the pacing of the trailer actually, it was completely in your face and epic and it went off at just the right time IMO.

I'm sick of these slow trailers that only ever end up showing nothing. There's no point in teaser trailers building up to nothing, it's better that they show a little then cut to the title and in the meantime it should be exciting, the trailer did it's job for me.

  • 06.07.2011 11:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: wu haoxuan
How was this criticism "constructive"?


How was it not?

  • 06.07.2011 11:23 AM PDT

Posted by: SilentInferno99


Same for the "Jetpack" whining.
ITS NOT A JETPACK....its a Thruster Pack, which is standard issue for every MJOLNIR MK. 5 (and up) suits. Chief had it on him ALL THE TIME. Its even being used in many of the books.

Wrong. We need to squash this now, because it is not so. If the Spartans had thruster packs built into their suits, they would not need to don external t-packs for EVA missions, which they do every time.


Not wrong actually. Have you read the books? The thruster packs on the armor were so the Spartans could move around in Low/Zero Gravity situations, and not just drift into space. Either way it's in there, so let's squash any pointless debate about that. Instead we should try to think of awesome ways they could have Low/Zero Gravity combat in game.


I would suggest rereading the fall of reach, if their suits had thrusters, then why couldn't James use them to get back to the station and wipe the Circumference?

  • 06.07.2011 12:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: SilentInferno99


Same for the "Jetpack" whining.
ITS NOT A JETPACK....its a Thruster Pack, which is standard issue for every MJOLNIR MK. 5 (and up) suits. Chief had it on him ALL THE TIME. Its even being used in many of the books.

Wrong. We need to squash this now, because it is not so. If the Spartans had thruster packs built into their suits, they would not need to don external t-packs for EVA missions, which they do every time.


Not wrong actually. Have you read the books? The thruster packs on the armor were so the Spartans could move around in Low/Zero Gravity situations, and not just drift into space. Either way it's in there, so let's squash any pointless debate about that. Instead we should try to think of awesome ways they could have Low/Zero Gravity combat in game.


I would suggest rereading the fall of reach, if their suits had thrusters, then why couldn't James use them to get back to the station and wipe the Circumference?


It's because of James' external thruster pack that he could not get to the station. His pack was shot by a needler. The tank for the thruster was punctured and the exhaust from that was what sent James spiraling out of control and into the darkness of space.

The standard Mk IV and Mk V had no internal thrusters period. They used external packs. There is zero proof to say otherwise while on the other hand there is concrete evidence to show that the Spartans did rely on external packs. To repost what I've said before....

The Fall of Reach page 144:

"Spartans," John said, "grab thruster packs and make ready to go EVA. Everyone else-" He motioned to the three technicians.
"-get into the forward cabin. If we fail, they'll be coming after the Pelican. Protect Dr. Halsey."
He moved Aft. Kelly handed him a thruster pack and he slipped it on.

That was for Mark IV armor. No integrated thruster pack.

Page 348:

James almost had the explosives rigged to the nose free. A shower of needles hit him. One stuck the tank of his thruster harness-penetrated.

Obviously if it was integrated there wouldn't be a harness for the thing since it's built right into the armor. Further down the same page:

Linda shrugged out of her thruster harness.

No need to delve into how that shows it's a separate piece. That's for Mk V.

As for the Mk VI I do not have the Halo Encyclopedia on me currently so I cannot directly quote it, but I know that of all the features listed of the Mk VI, there is no mention of an integrated thruster pack included in the standard issue Mk VI that the Chief possessed. By all means though, if you have it on you and you know it says otherwise provide quotes and page numbers.

  • 06.07.2011 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: the n00b pwner
Posted by: SilentInferno99


Same for the "Jetpack" whining.
ITS NOT A JETPACK....its a Thruster Pack, which is standard issue for every MJOLNIR MK. 5 (and up) suits. Chief had it on him ALL THE TIME. Its even being used in many of the books.

Wrong. We need to squash this now, because it is not so. If the Spartans had thruster packs built into their suits, they would not need to don external t-packs for EVA missions, which they do every time.


Not wrong actually. Have you read the books? The thruster packs on the armor were so the Spartans could move around in Low/Zero Gravity situations, and not just drift into space. Either way it's in there, so let's squash any pointless debate about that. Instead we should try to think of awesome ways they could have Low/Zero Gravity combat in game.


I would suggest rereading the fall of reach, if their suits had thrusters, then why couldn't James use them to get back to the station and wipe the Circumference?


It's because of James' external thruster pack that he could not get to the station. His pack was shot by a needler. The tank for the thruster was punctured and the exhaust from that was what sent James spiraling out of control and into the darkness of space.

The standard Mk IV and Mk V had no internal thrusters period. They used external packs. There is zero proof to say otherwise while on the other hand there is concrete evidence to show that the Spartans did rely on external packs. To repost what I've said before....

The Fall of Reach page 144:

"Spartans," John said, "grab thruster packs and make ready to go EVA. Everyone else-" He motioned to the three technicians.
"-get into the forward cabin. If we fail, they'll be coming after the Pelican. Protect Dr. Halsey."
He moved Aft. Kelly handed him a thruster pack and he slipped it on.

That was for Mark IV armor. No integrated thruster pack.

Page 348:

James almost had the explosives rigged to the nose free. A shower of needles hit him. One stuck the tank of his thruster harness-penetrated.

Obviously if it was integrated there wouldn't be a harness for the thing since it's built right into the armor. Further down the same page:

Linda shrugged out of her thruster harness.

No need to delve into how that shows it's a separate piece. That's for Mk V.

As for the Mk VI I do not have the Halo Encyclopedia on me currently so I cannot directly quote it, but I know that of all the features listed of the Mk VI, there is no mention of an integrated thruster pack included in the standard issue Mk VI that the Chief possessed. By all means though, if you have it on you and you know it says otherwise provide quotes and page numbers.


Mark VI isn't V

Halsey journal says it has EVA capabilities,so it's probably those thrusters.

  • 06.07.2011 1:50 PM PDT

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

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Posted by: SilentInferno99


Same for the "Jetpack" whining.
ITS NOT A JETPACK....its a Thruster Pack, which is standard issue for every MJOLNIR MK. 5 (and up) suits. Chief had it on him ALL THE TIME. Its even being used in many of the books.

Wrong. We need to squash this now, because it is not so. If the Spartans had thruster packs built into their suits, they would not need to don external t-packs for EVA missions, which they do every time.


Not wrong actually. Have you read the books? The thruster packs on the armor were so the Spartans could move around in Low/Zero Gravity situations, and not just drift into space. Either way it's in there, so let's squash any pointless debate about that. Instead we should try to think of awesome ways they could have Low/Zero Gravity combat in game.


I would suggest rereading the fall of reach, if their suits had thrusters, then why couldn't James use them to get back to the station and wipe the Circumference?


It's because of James' external thruster pack that he could not get to the station. His pack was shot by a needler. The tank for the thruster was punctured and the exhaust from that was what sent James spiraling out of control and into the darkness of space.

The standard Mk IV and Mk V had no internal thrusters period. They used external packs. There is zero proof to say otherwise while on the other hand there is concrete evidence to show that the Spartans did rely on external packs. To repost what I've said before....

The Fall of Reach page 144:

"Spartans," John said, "grab thruster packs and make ready to go EVA. Everyone else-" He motioned to the three technicians.
"-get into the forward cabin. If we fail, they'll be coming after the Pelican. Protect Dr. Halsey."
He moved Aft. Kelly handed him a thruster pack and he slipped it on.

That was for Mark IV armor. No integrated thruster pack.

Page 348:

James almost had the explosives rigged to the nose free. A shower of needles hit him. One stuck the tank of his thruster harness-penetrated.

Obviously if it was integrated there wouldn't be a harness for the thing since it's built right into the armor. Further down the same page:

Linda shrugged out of her thruster harness.

No need to delve into how that shows it's a separate piece. That's for Mk V.

As for the Mk VI I do not have the Halo Encyclopedia on me currently so I cannot directly quote it, but I know that of all the features listed of the Mk VI, there is no mention of an integrated thruster pack included in the standard issue Mk VI that the Chief possessed. By all means though, if you have it on you and you know it says otherwise provide quotes and page numbers.


I am well aware of their use of T-PACKS, but as you pointed out they are add-ons, not integrated. Watch the trailer closely and you will see that the thrusters come out of bulges on the back of his suit. These bulges were also present on Mark V armor, which we know did not have thrusters.

  • 06.07.2011 1:53 PM PDT

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RIP Derek Farley

I liked it. It showed the Chief's still got it.

But really, it was situational. Cortana woke him up because she needed him. The ship was being blown apart, so of course he's not going to take his time.

  • 06.07.2011 1:55 PM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: the n00b pwner
Posted by: SilentInferno99


Same for the "Jetpack" whining.
ITS NOT A JETPACK....its a Thruster Pack, which is standard issue for every MJOLNIR MK. 5 (and up) suits. Chief had it on him ALL THE TIME. Its even being used in many of the books.

Wrong. We need to squash this now, because it is not so. If the Spartans had thruster packs built into their suits, they would not need to don external t-packs for EVA missions, which they do every time.


Not wrong actually. Have you read the books? The thruster packs on the armor were so the Spartans could move around in Low/Zero Gravity situations, and not just drift into space. Either way it's in there, so let's squash any pointless debate about that. Instead we should try to think of awesome ways they could have Low/Zero Gravity combat in game.


I would suggest rereading the fall of reach, if their suits had thrusters, then why couldn't James use them to get back to the station and wipe the Circumference?


It's because of James' external thruster pack that he could not get to the station. His pack was shot by a needler. The tank for the thruster was punctured and the exhaust from that was what sent James spiraling out of control and into the darkness of space.

The standard Mk IV and Mk V had no internal thrusters period. They used external packs. There is zero proof to say otherwise while on the other hand there is concrete evidence to show that the Spartans did rely on external packs. To repost what I've said before....

The Fall of Reach page 144:

"Spartans," John said, "grab thruster packs and make ready to go EVA. Everyone else-" He motioned to the three technicians.
"-get into the forward cabin. If we fail, they'll be coming after the Pelican. Protect Dr. Halsey."
He moved Aft. Kelly handed him a thruster pack and he slipped it on.

That was for Mark IV armor. No integrated thruster pack.

Page 348:

James almost had the explosives rigged to the nose free. A shower of needles hit him. One stuck the tank of his thruster harness-penetrated.

Obviously if it was integrated there wouldn't be a harness for the thing since it's built right into the armor. Further down the same page:

Linda shrugged out of her thruster harness.

No need to delve into how that shows it's a separate piece. That's for Mk V.

As for the Mk VI I do not have the Halo Encyclopedia on me currently so I cannot directly quote it, but I know that of all the features listed of the Mk VI, there is no mention of an integrated thruster pack included in the standard issue Mk VI that the Chief possessed. By all means though, if you have it on you and you know it says otherwise provide quotes and page numbers.


Mark VI isn't V

Halsey journal says it has EVA capabilities,so it's probably those thrusters.


First off I'm aware that Mark VI isn't V, however the first two chunk of quotes is directed primarily for the people that go off saying that Mark IV and V had built in thrusters as standard equipment. Simple canon cleaning up.


Second off, the debate for whether or not standard Mark VI has it is still wide open as there is no definitive proof for either side in this regard with the only visual sight of it being a teaser trailer. Now, being a teaser trailer everything is subjected to change so that cannot be counted as anything until the visuals develop more until the final version.

Until then, I seek the truth when it comes to all the text based descriptions of the Mk VI armor, and to get that clarified not for just myself but for everyone as well. This is first and foremost the Universe forum after all where canon discussion is front and center, and not the "let's speculate how awesome or stupid Halo 4 is going to be based on visuals" forum.

Now in regards to Mk VI I'm aware of Halsey's entry. Listed as "Next-gen EVA technology". However it is not a list of what the Mk VI has, but a plan for what it should have. Among the list of items is also an "Active stealth package" and Covenant based gravity tech. Even the extent of what those next-gen EVA tech could be is never delved into. The only visual EVA tech we've seen are the armor permutations as well as the physical descriptions of the external thrusters the UNSC had available for EVA activity. As I've said earlier the Encyclopedia makes no note of that specific bit of EVA technology being available to the standard Mk VI that John possess, and while 343i can quite easily recton the Universe to make it so with little to no problem the key is that at this particular moment in time, that specific has yet to be outlined unless otherwise unmentioned.

I don't exactly have every little nook and cranny of knowledge of the Halo Universe as it currently stands, which is why I ask for simple decisive (and no, quoting Halopedian and saying it's cited to the Halo 4 trailer does not count) evidence from community members who may have that information.

Halsey says that Mk IV had EVA capabilities to John as well. EVA capabilities do not automatically translate to having a built in thruster pack.

  • 06.07.2011 2:23 PM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

@stealthslasher2-if you listen to the marine at the start of halo 2 in the training room when he is talking about the upgtades to your suite he ses that it has zero-g thrusters

  • 06.07.2011 2:33 PM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

@happybuzzsaw- haha lol it fell of when he saw cortana if you know what i mean :P

  • 06.07.2011 2:35 PM PDT

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@stealthslasher2-if you listen to the marine at the start of halo 2 in the training room when he is talking about the upgtades to your suite he ses that it has zero-g thrusters


Such as? Can you quote what he says about the suite of upgrades, and when?

As far as I'm aware the only time he talks about upgrades is when you do the shield test and he makes a remark about how the shield systems are better than the Mk V. Nothing else past that.

  • 06.07.2011 2:52 PM PDT

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i loved the trailer, and the armor looked good, i didnt like the way cortana looked tho. and on a side note i want master chief to have his cod piece back, his junk needs protecting, just sayin, its just "out there" in a "in your face" kind of way

  • 06.07.2011 3:16 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Don't know why everyone is so butthurt.

The trailer did everything it should have done, excite me.

I love the fact he's a SPARTAN now. We've never seen him move like that. In the Halo games John doesn't feel like a SPARTAN should. He felt slow and heavy.

This was all kinds of brilliance. I think 343i will out do Bungie. I really do, Frankie will breathe life in to Halo again and in doing so he'll make the franchise good again.

From here Halo can only get better.

  • 06.07.2011 3:19 PM PDT