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Subject: Actual constructive criticism of Halo 4 trailer
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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: GOLDENSKULL95
@stealthslasher2-if you listen to the marine at the start of halo 2 in the training room when he is talking about the upgtades to your suite he ses that it has zero-g thrusters


Such as? Can you quote what he says about the suite of upgrades, and when?

As far as I'm aware the only time he talks about upgrades is when you do the shield test and he makes a remark about how the shield systems are better than the Mk V. Nothing else past that.

I just rewatched that scene. He doesn't say anything about thrusters, just talks about damage to the chiefs old suit and the Mk VI's improved shields.

  • 06.07.2011 3:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: II Cipher
Don't know why everyone is so butthurt.

The trailer did everything it should have done, excite me.

I love the fact he's a SPARTAN now. We've never seen him move like that. In the Halo games John doesn't feel like a SPARTAN should. He felt slow and heavy.

This was all kinds of brilliance. I think 343i will out do Bungie. I really do, Frankie will breathe life in to Halo again and in doing so he'll make the franchise good again.

From here Halo can only get better.


i totally agree, and i cant wait to play the game as a true super-soldier

  • 06.07.2011 3:21 PM PDT

it was a teaser trailer and you suck my dlCK

  • 06.07.2011 3:22 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Posted by: SupaSoaka

Posted by: II Cipher
Don't know why everyone is so butthurt.

The trailer did everything it should have done, excite me.

I love the fact he's a SPARTAN now. We've never seen him move like that. In the Halo games John doesn't feel like a SPARTAN should. He felt slow and heavy.

This was all kinds of brilliance. I think 343i will out do Bungie. I really do, Frankie will breathe life in to Halo again and in doing so he'll make the franchise good again.

From here Halo can only get better.


i totally agree, and i cant wait to play the game as a true super-soldier


Oh and the the Combat Evolved remake has Terminals in it.

And has meant to have a really in depth story to them.

  • 06.07.2011 3:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: II Cipher
Posted by: SupaSoaka

Posted by: II Cipher
Don't know why everyone is so butthurt.

The trailer did everything it should have done, excite me.

I love the fact he's a SPARTAN now. We've never seen him move like that. In the Halo games John doesn't feel like a SPARTAN should. He felt slow and heavy.

This was all kinds of brilliance. I think 343i will out do Bungie. I really do, Frankie will breathe life in to Halo again and in doing so he'll make the franchise good again.

From here Halo can only get better.


i totally agree, and i cant wait to play the game as a true super-soldier


Oh and the the Combat Evolved remake has Terminals in it.

And has meant to have a really in depth story to them.

Halo: CE was the only reason i got my xbox, and ive been playing it again on my pc. its not even boring me, its still extremely fun, and interesting. when the remake comes out, im gonna snatch up those terminals

[Edited on 06.07.2011 3:31 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2011 3:30 PM PDT

well yea but then you've got to think that this is a TEASER trailer. IMO the main thing that this did for me was confirm halo 4 and confirm the planet at the end of halo 3 being important

  • 06.07.2011 3:32 PM PDT

I've done a little research and watched the trailer half a dozen times. o.< At no point during any of the games, books, or anything else in regards to master chief and the mjolnir armour have jet packs been mentioned. How ever, in Dr. Halsey's personal journal, she mentioned plans for a mark VII with some new features that were not encluded in the mark VII. Now I'm not atright saying Master chief is where Mark VII armour, but it is in the realm of possiblities.

As for the look of Cortana, Bungie took a fair of amount of artistic freedom in the evolution of her appearance throughout the Halo trilogy, noticeably from Halo: Combat Evolved to Halo 2; she has longer hair, a more realistic humanoid figure, a much more feminine appearance and a slightly different shade of purple. In Halo 3, she becomes slightly bluer and again her face, hair, and body are changed to look more feminine and realistic. So why should this game be any diffrent?

The gun seen in the trailer is beyond me though.

One other thing, I saw a lot of complaining about bungie not working on it. Well have no fear 343 industies is working on it. Is this a big deal? Who know. But halo will not be betrayed in the fact the 343 industies has a handful of bungies employes in their ranks now. So in a way it's the same people working on it. More or less that is.

[Edited on 06.07.2011 3:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2011 3:39 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

He needs crotch protection....Just to cover it.

It's like Snakes ass crack in MGS4.

  • 06.07.2011 3:48 PM PDT

question everything...truth has no pedigree


Posted by: LiquidNazgul42

Posted by: wu haoxuan
How was this criticism "constructive"?


How was it not?


Because you didn't "construct" or create any alternatives for the person whom you criticize.

For example, you could have told us what you would do differently to make it better. That would be "constructive" criticism.

[Edited on 06.07.2011 4:00 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2011 4:00 PM PDT

PM from Equus Asinus: "Calling me a moron for somthing wich you have no part in is stupid. Maybe if you used proper grammer I would feel you as a threat. But, I think you owe me an apology."

You're right OP, the pacing wasn't right. It wasn't as epic as previous trailers, teaser or not. Plus, it wasn't Steve Downes voicing him, which really killed it for me at that point. I think 343 went the cheap route and didn't consult/give control to Hollywood as they've done in previous trailers. It just wasn't the same.

All that said, Microsoft has a decent history at making games and as long as they get Downes back and follow the Halo bible I guess I'm ok with it. But this trailer leaves me a bit devoid of trust.

[Edited on 06.07.2011 4:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.07.2011 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: wu haoxuan

Posted by: LiquidNazgul42

Posted by: wu haoxuan
How was this criticism "constructive"?


How was it not?


Because you didn't "construct" or create any alternatives for the person whom you criticize.

For example, you could have told us what you would do differently to make it better. That would be "constructive" criticism.


I'm pretty sure that's not the definition of constructive criticism. From dictionary.com: "criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions". I made this thread in the initial flood of threads where the OP was simply a sentence or few words that had little to offer beyond "this sucks" or "this rocks".

  • 06.07.2011 6:58 PM PDT


Posted by: SupaSoaka

Posted by: II Cipher
Posted by: SupaSoaka

Posted by: II Cipher
Don't know why everyone is so butthurt.

The trailer did everything it should have done, excite me.

I love the fact he's a SPARTAN now. We've never seen him move like that. In the Halo games John doesn't feel like a SPARTAN should. He felt slow and heavy.

This was all kinds of brilliance. I think 343i will out do Bungie. I really do, Frankie will breathe life in to Halo again and in doing so he'll make the franchise good again.

From here Halo can only get better.


i totally agree, and i cant wait to play the game as a true super-soldier


Oh and the the Combat Evolved remake has Terminals in it.

And has meant to have a really in depth story to them.

Halo: CE was the only reason i got my xbox, and ive been playing it again on my pc. its not even boring me, its still extremely fun, and interesting. when the remake comes out, im gonna snatch up those terminals


I believe it was confirmed the erminals will set us up for the new Trilogy's story.

Can't wait 'till November 15th!

  • 06.07.2011 7:14 PM PDT

And on the seven7h day......


Posted by: Sir Muffinator


Also what was that attachment the pistol had, looked like some sort of grenade.


Theres a thread in this forum about some Halo 4 leeks, and it talks about new weapons, so it could be one of them.

  • 06.07.2011 8:26 PM PDT

Sir Arch-Duke Ferdinand II Jr. Sr. III Phd.

I thought that the pacing was excellent. It really wasn't all that different from the other Halo trailers. It made you wonder what was going on the whole time and then made you think "wtf is THAT?!?!" when it showed the ship entering the planet at the end. I remember thinking the same thing during the Halo 3 reveal trailer

  • 06.07.2011 9:41 PM PDT

Regarding the thrusters. Listen to that specific part carefully, you might notice it's the exact sound byte used for the jetpack in Reach. Just pointing it out.

  • 06.07.2011 9:47 PM PDT

Personally I found the trailer a little to fast paced. The beginning was great but after he came out of cryo things went a little to well. It was also very emotionless compared to Bungie's trailers.

Even so, I believe that it was a great teaser and have high hopes for Halo 4. Halo will be different without Bungie though.

  • 06.07.2011 10:08 PM PDT

Posted by: Kevlarcasm
Regarding the thrusters. Listen to that specific part carefully, you might notice it's the exact sound byte used for the jetpack in Reach. Just pointing it out.


True, they probably needed a jetpack sound and that was the easiest one to get. It probably doesn't mean anything.

  • 06.08.2011 9:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: grey101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnRA9-yZ0Uk link


1. all mark V and VI suits have thrusters for space ops, so we can stop that now.

James died because of a lack of said thrusters

I do not recall any MJOLNIR suits having internally integrated thruster packs for space environments. Instead I recall Spartans using separate packs for Mk IV (Kurt) and V (James) If you could point out where its been stated before it would be much appreciated. Mk VI had already had all its features detailed thanks to the encyclopedia, frankie's own statments, and various other canon material like the comics and an integrated thruster pack was again not mentioned as a feature as far as I'm aware, so correction with source would be great.

Now yes, teasers do tend to jump ahead with their concepts and add things that won't show up till way later, but I would rather like this issue of thrusters clarified by itself.

  • 06.08.2011 9:47 AM PDT

What surprised me was the fact that Cortana waited til that last second to alert the Chief. Although in the start of the trailer, we don't know how much time has relapsed from when his nerves were starting to "wake up" (Don't know much of a better way to put that) to when he finally jumps out of the cyrotube.

Also, Cortana must have had to know about the planet much before they were less then a couple miles away. Maybe so much time has passed that Cortana's abilites were beat up from the amount of time that passed. We also have to remember that Cortana was on the verge of (if not already started) the first stage of Rampancy, melancholia, at the end of Halo 3. AI's cannot withstand their life cycle of 7 years. Maybe Halo 4 could be the end of Cortana? Maybe she turns against the Chief, thinking that she doesn't have to obey him anymore. Again, we can't be certain how much time has passed for us to conclude that she is infact Rampant.

  • 06.08.2011 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elitepwnsaur169

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: grey101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnRA9-yZ0Uk link


1. all mark V and VI suits have thrusters for space ops, so we can stop that now.

James died because of a lack of said thrusters

I do not recall any MJOLNIR suits having internally integrated thruster packs for space environments. Instead I recall Spartans using separate packs for Mk IV (Kurt) and V (James) If you could point out where its been stated before it would be much appreciated. Mk VI had already had all its features detailed thanks to the encyclopedia, frankie's own statments, and various other canon material like the comics and an integrated thruster pack was again not mentioned as a feature as far as I'm aware, so correction with source would be great.

Now yes, teasers do tend to jump ahead with their concepts and add things that won't show up till way later, but I would rather like this issue of thrusters clarified by itself.


Either you're misquoting me and adding a similar line I said later on to change the context of the rest of my statement, or you accidentally typed between grey's and my quotes.

Either way to restate, James died because his external thruster pack's tank was punctured by a needler round and the resulting explosion sent him spiraling out of control.

  • 06.08.2011 10:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Elitepwnsaur169

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: grey101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnRA9-yZ0Uk link


1. all mark V and VI suits have thrusters for space ops, so we can stop that now.

James died because of a lack of said thrusters

I do not recall any MJOLNIR suits having internally integrated thruster packs for space environments. Instead I recall Spartans using separate packs for Mk IV (Kurt) and V (James) If you could point out where its been stated before it would be much appreciated. Mk VI had already had all its features detailed thanks to the encyclopedia, frankie's own statments, and various other canon material like the comics and an integrated thruster pack was again not mentioned as a feature as far as I'm aware, so correction with source would be great.

Now yes, teasers do tend to jump ahead with their concepts and add things that won't show up till way later, but I would rather like this issue of thrusters clarified by itself.


Either you're misquoting me and adding a similar line I said later on to change the context of the rest of my statement, or you accidentally typed between grey's and my quotes.

Either way to restate, James died because his external thruster pack's tank was punctured by a needler round and the resulting explosion sent him spiraling out of control.

Yea it was an accident. my bad, didn't mean to misquote... and yea i forgot about the punctured tank. read that book a while ago

  • 06.10.2011 8:06 AM PDT
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The teaser wasn't meant to make you feel the way you think it should have. It's just showing you that you're about to deal with something A LOT different than before. If you notice, he has his thrusters, which were not obviously shown in halo 3 and as he escapes the ship, he picks up a pistol and shoots an OMG INSTA FRAG at the door with it AND THEN attaches a new one on to the tip of the pistol. It's to say.. "hey, there's some new -blam!- in this next one unlike anything you've seen before"

  • 06.10.2011 8:11 AM PDT

This is Sparta!!! eh I mean Reach ^^

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
The Frigate looks different, could just be me though. also the first glimpse you get of cortana when she's standing up, she looks really basic graphics wise. just some things that stood out to me.


The frigate Dawn is even more damaged after it got sucked by the unknown planet. This is not ingame graphics anyway.
Master Chief is not wearing a jetpack in this trailer but they are integrated boosters which most likely only work in space and not powerful enough to elevate like the ones in Halo Reach.

I love all Halo games and don't know why there are so many complains now. I would rather be disappointed if Cortana and Master Chief were not in that trailer.

  • 06.10.2011 8:24 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
I loved it


That's some good constructive criticism.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 8:51 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 8:51 AM PDT