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Subject: DEAR all idiots who know nothing of canon and are bashing Halo 4

Fear the Probulator. Looking at my stats I see, well go ahead.

im not even gona bother anymore. You know nothing of the games, and instead believe only what a book tells you instead of what you can see and play with your own eyes.

Its not that they are there its the fact that they were never used in 2 games. WHICH ARE CANON halo 2 & halo 3

The thrusters are only valid to me if they say they are for emergencies only.

  • 06.06.2011 12:20 PM PDT
Subject: Information on anti-gravity thrusters-proof 343 is NOT breaking CANON

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Crichton Rizzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsqEtq3sp8

watch no gravity NO FN THRUSTERS


I could turn it back on you. TFOR AND Ghosts of onyx clearly stated the use of thrusters by two spartans, so I could say why didn't chief use it?


Use your brain. Bungie wasn't thinking that far ahead. It's called recon, bungie didnt realise the full features of the mark IV armour like the books/343i have done. Stop being wilfully ignorant; stuff like armour lock and whatnot were not realised until later in the games.


Also, think about it. Why would they give spartans an oxygen supply for deep space but NO thrusters? they wouldent. Thrusters are a logical addition to spartan armour.

Armor lock has technically been around. They lock their armor to survive long falls mostly. The AAs are pretty much just gameplay and multiplayer aside from the BullFrogs in Singleplayer. The Jump Pack can be ok, but they got splainin' to do.

  • 06.06.2011 12:23 PM PDT
Subject: DEAR all idiots who know nothing of canon and are bashing Halo 4

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Posted by: Crichton Rizzo

The thrusters are only valid to me if they say they are for emergencies only.


If they weren't only for emergencies, he would have used them multiple times.

Oh, and those puny thrusters couldn't lift the 1000+ pound SPARTAN-II in any sort of gravity.

  • 06.06.2011 12:23 PM PDT
Subject: Information on anti-gravity thrusters-proof 343 is NOT breaking CANON

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Im SteelAssassn

Posted by: Pipboy 3050
Ok, quote where it says AT-thrusters were exclusively not built in?


Since there are so many of the same topics, I have it already prepared:

"[Kurt] switched on his reverse-angle camera and saw Kelly and Fred jump from the lock of the prowler after him. He knew not to turn his head to look. The motion would make him gyrate out of control. Besides, in the vacuum-enhanced variant of MJOLNIR armor, his mobility was a fraction normal."

And like you said already yourself in your very first post, (whether you know it or not) thrusters are included in the variant.



Thanks for quote.

But I think a point still stands, T-packs are part of the halo canon, it shouldn't be ruled out that MC had an enhanced chestpeice with built in T-packs.


The problem is that

A) We know that the MC got the vanilla Mk VI as has been explained in their 343i Waypoint vids

B) The encyclopedia has outlined all of its features and an integrated pack was not among the features of the standard Mk VI.

Armor abilities were a bit of a cop out addition as well for Reach, but at least they're separate attachment that wasn't standard issue for Mk V. Now 343i can easily recton Mk VI to include integrated packs from the get go, but strange how they'd box themselves in and not establish integrated packs well in canon prior to creating the concept of showing it off in a teaser down the line.

  • 06.06.2011 12:23 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: Crichton Rizzo

The thrusters are only valid to me if they say they are for emergencies only.



The frigate blowing up seemed like a pretty big emergency in the trailer, you silly fruitcake.



[Edited on 06.06.2011 12:27 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 12:24 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Im SteelAssassn

Posted by: Pipboy 3050
Ok, quote where it says AT-thrusters were exclusively not built in?


Since there are so many of the same topics, I have it already prepared:

"[Kurt] switched on his reverse-angle camera and saw Kelly and Fred jump from the lock of the prowler after him. He knew not to turn his head to look. The motion would make him gyrate out of control. Besides, in the vacuum-enhanced variant of MJOLNIR armor, his mobility was a fraction normal."

And like you said already yourself in your very first post, (whether you know it or not) thrusters are included in the variant.



Thanks for quote.

But I think a point still stands, T-packs are part of the halo canon, it shouldn't be ruled out that MC had an enhanced chestpeice with built in T-packs.


The problem is that

A) We know that the MC got the vanilla Mk VI as has been explained in their 343i Waypoint vids

B) The encyclopedia has outlined all of its features and an integrated pack was not among the features of the standard Mk VI.

Armor abilities were a bit of a cop out addition as well for Reach, but at least they're separate attachment that wasn't standard issue for Mk V. Now 343i can easily recton Mk VI to include integrated packs from the get go, but strange how they'd box themselves in and not establish integrated packs well in canon prior to creating the concept of showing it off in a teaser down the line.

The encyclopedia is bad...real bad. But its good to see 343 shoot themselves in the foot with their products.

  • 06.06.2011 12:25 PM PDT
Subject: DEAR all idiots who know nothing of canon and are bashing Halo 4

Halsey's journal says many things regarding the armor that basically says that the thrusters are standard in the armor.

Mark IV has a standard vacuum survival system

Mark V has a full vacuum environmental system

Mark VI has next gen EVA technology

Since EVA stands for Extra-Vehicular Activity and is designed for space activity it would be easy to believe that small thrusters for mobility in space are included. Especially since it's suppose to get rid of the giant T-Pack that was a terrible piece of equipment.

If you don't believe me, check for yourselves.

  • 06.06.2011 12:25 PM PDT
Subject: Information on anti-gravity thrusters-proof 343 is NOT breaking CANON

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind

It seems odd that chief, in the halo canon has so comfortably gone out to space, the only way anyone would do that is if they have T-packs. Otherwise there's such a huge chance you end up flying for eternity in space.



Except in the moments Chief has been in space (which as the books detail that Chief is not comfortable in space), he has not used a thruster.

As someone pointed out earlier, Chief never used a thruster in Halo 2 when he jumped into the vacuum in space at a Covenant ship with the bomb, nor when "landing" on Johnson's ship afterward.

StealthSlasher above also makes some good points.

  • 06.06.2011 12:26 PM PDT
Subject: DEAR all idiots who know nothing of canon and are bashing Halo 4

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: ShadowKnight809
Halsey's journal says many things regarding the armor that basically says that the thrusters are standard in the armor.

Mark IV has a standard vacuum survival system

Mark V has a full vacuum environmental system

Mark VI has next gen EVA technology

Since EVA stands for Extra-Vehicular Activity and is designed for space activity it would be easy to believe that small thrusters for mobility in space are included. Especially since it's suppose to get rid of the giant T-Pack that was a terrible piece of equipment.

If you don't believe me, check for yourselves.


Perhaps the re-con was outlined before the trailers. That explains most of everyone's problems.

Thanks for the pointer

  • 06.06.2011 12:30 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Posted by: ShadowKnight809
Halsey's journal says many things regarding the armor that basically says that the thrusters are standard in the armor.

Mark IV has a standard vacuum survival system

Mark V has a full vacuum environmental system

Mark VI has next gen EVA technology

Since EVA stands for Extra-Vehicular Activity and is designed for space activity it would be easy to believe that small thrusters for mobility in space are included. Especially since it's suppose to get rid of the giant T-Pack that was a terrible piece of equipment.

If you don't believe me, check for yourselves.

Halsey's Journal is certainly nice. I'd look for the pages, but I have no clue where my copy is. This hints at thrusters, but it doesn't confirm them. The survival system is obviously air and environmental stability. Next-Gen EVA could potentially be several features.

  • 06.06.2011 12:31 PM PDT
Subject: Information on anti-gravity thrusters-proof 343 is NOT breaking CANON

Fear the Probulator. Looking at my stats I see, well go ahead.


Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Crichton Rizzo

The thrusters are only valid to me if they say they are for emergencies only.



The frigate blowing up seemed like a pretty big emergency in the trailer, you [no need to throw insults].



I didnt say that it wasn't but a big change like that made everyone say WhereTF did they come from, thats what we are arguing about.

He can have them but 343i now have to clearify to fans why he has them now and why he didnt use them in halo 2 or 3.

If they say "they are limit time use thrusters for zero g environments" then everyone will be ok with it.

  • 06.06.2011 12:32 PM PDT

"A LIE is a LIE"


- Truly intelligent and deep Black ops trailer


Posted by: Crichton Rizzo

If they say "they are limit time use thrusters for zero g environments" then everyone will be ok with it.


Its common sense man. How can a puny thruster lift heavy spartan armour? It cant.

Anyone with half a brain doesn't need to be spoon fed by 343 to fix every single little problem.

And sorry, I spurted when you indicated you were insulted by "silly fruitcake".



[Edited on 06.06.2011 12:36 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 12:35 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Posted by: Crichton Rizzo

Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Crichton Rizzo

The thrusters are only valid to me if they say they are for emergencies only.



The frigate blowing up seemed like a pretty big emergency in the trailer, you [no need to throw insults].



I didnt say that it wasn't but a big change like that made everyone say WhereTF did they come from, thats what we are arguing about.

He can have them but 343i now have to clearify to fans why he has them now and why he didnt use them in halo 2 or 3.

If they say "they are limit time use thrusters for zero g environments" then everyone will be ok with it.

Reluctantly agreed. I still want to know where they are 'taking' the story.

  • 06.06.2011 12:37 PM PDT

In the end there is this mechanic, it's a game. Why didn't they have armor abilities in Halo: CE? Why didn't they have hornets or falcons in Halo 2? It's because either they hadn't thought it up yet or the game engines at the time couldn't handle it. They do this all the time. Contact Harvest added in Battle Rifles and Hornets despite no mention in Fall of Reach. It's not unheard of.

What I'm more concerned about was that silencer Chief, and actually almost looks like this, pulled out of his butt. Did they add his magic pocket back in or does he have some secret silencer slot on his backside.

TL;DR OMG WHERE DID HE GET THAT SILENCER DID HE HAVE IT BEFORE HE GOT IN THE CYRO TUBE?! WHY DIDN'T HE USE IT IN HALO 2 OR 3?!

[Edited on 06.06.2011 12:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 12:38 PM PDT

Okay kids, lets use our noggins. It could be that these thrusters use some sort of emergency energy source which can only be used once or for a short period of time. So maybe, the Chief was saving the thrusters for an emergency like the one in the trailer, and that's why he didn't use them in the other games, where he was rarelyeen in anti-gravity situations like that anyway. Lets just wait and see what happens, maybe Cortana would say something like "I was wondering when you'd use those." Thus fixing the plot hole.

  • 06.06.2011 12:38 PM PDT
Subject: DEAR all idiots who know nothing of canon and are bashing Halo 4

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind


Posted by: ShadowKnight809
Halsey's journal says many things regarding the armor that basically says that the thrusters are standard in the armor.

Mark VI has next gen EVA technology

If you don't believe me, check for yourselves.


I did check. These are proposed ideas. The idea directly over "Next-gen EVA technology" is "active stealth package," and the ones below it are "null-gravity assist package, and gravitonic weaponry."

  • 06.06.2011 12:39 PM PDT
Subject: Information on anti-gravity thrusters-proof 343 is NOT breaking CANON
Subject: DEAR all idiots who know nothing of canon and are bashing Halo 4

Just saying, is there no possibility that he used one at the start of Halo 3?

  • 06.06.2011 12:44 PM PDT

They never said what was included in either of the packs so whose to say that they don't have an "Active Stealth Pack." The SPI armor only had reflective plates that made you blend in better and that was their attempt at super stealth. The Null-gravity assist package is titled under "Possible Covenant-enabled technologies." Obviously Covenant technology didn't enable them to put those features in.

  • 06.06.2011 12:48 PM PDT

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind


Posted by: ShadowKnight809
They never said what was included in either of the packs so whose to say that they don't have an "Active Stealth Pack."


Exactly. But "who's to say" and "Mark VI has next gen EVA technology" are completely different mindsets. Semantics be important.

  • 06.06.2011 12:50 PM PDT

My sentiments exactly, the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence. So it can easily be said that that is what is included. Especially since space mobility was the EVA's purpose all along.

  • 06.06.2011 12:52 PM PDT
Subject: Information on anti-gravity thrusters-proof 343 is NOT breaking CANON
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He has always had it, the two bulky things on the back of his armor are part of the T Pack.


Still waiting for the source...


fall of reach, how about you read the whole book so you don't miss anything else that is common knowledge.


You're a friggin idiot. It was never stated that they were part of the standard suits that we know MC has. Go find the exact quote and then we will talk. Until then, get the -blam!- over yourself.

These thruster packs have always been spoken of as an additional piece of equipment put on.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 12:55 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 12:54 PM PDT

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I have still yet to see a statement from anyone who can verify that the MJOLNIR suits have integrated thruster packs in text based canon.

  • 06.06.2011 5:24 PM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2
I have still yet to see a statement from anyone who can verify that the MJOLNIR suits have integrated thruster packs in text based canon.

Well in Halsey's journal when it's talking about the upgrades to the Mark VI says: Nextgen EVA technology and null gravity assist package. This is obviously not concrete proof of a intergrated booster jet system, but it is highly possible.
Regarless, we're speculating about the final product based on a CGI teaser. Since when have any of them been an actual representation of the final product?

  • 06.06.2011 5:58 PM PDT

Wow, just wow!

For those that say its impossible because it wasn't used in previous games, it didn't NEED to be used. There were very few space moments in the games. The most likely time for Chief to use these thrusters would be in the "Return to Sender" cutscene from Halo 2.

But Chief wouldn't use these thrusters if he didn't NEED to. He obviously didn't miss, and got a good enough push off the bomb to get back to his ship.

Also, these thruster could by no means lift a large, bioengineered super soldier in 1000 lb+ armor in regular gravity.

It is entirely plausible that Chief has had this feature throughout the games.

  • 06.06.2011 6:01 PM PDT

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