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Subject: Halo: Anniversary... Nice job with the canon-breaking models, guys!

-Dan

It's already been stated that the models in the trailer are just place holders so why don't we chill out. We wait until either more updates are given or the game is released. Then we can get mad.

  • 06.16.2011 9:43 PM PDT

do you seriously think they are stupid enough to change the gun....all they talk about is how the game is the same with new graphics and easter eggs and stuff...you honestly believe they changed the gun just cause it looks like another one? have some faith. smh

  • 06.16.2011 10:00 PM PDT

lol...the only reason the MA5B was smooth and untextured in the original was because they didn't have as many polygons to work with...they even said the engine is the exact same it is just running an extra graphical layer over the top (that you can turn off at will by a click of the back button and go all nostalgic) check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=riJUuSq4MZ4

Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: DudeMX
*sigh*
OK Here we go...

Original AR
Halo Reach AR
Remake AR

looks similar? yes since it needs better graphics
is it the MA37? NO... check the gun display

physics will stay the same, new models MUST be made of course
and before someone starts this...

the god gun will be back too don't worry

Okay. Right. The newly modeled AR has 60 rounds. Big deal. All 343 did was take the MA37 model and update it. If you look closely, the MA37 is much more skeletal and detailed than the MA5B. The MA5B, in turn, looks very solid. The remake's AR doesn't look solid. The remake's AR is the MA37, thus breaking the game's canon.


[Edited on 06.17.2011 12:34 AM PDT]

  • 06.17.2011 12:32 AM PDT


Posted by: Mirage 47
It's already been stated that the models in the trailer are just place holders so why don't we chill out. We wait until either more updates are given or the game is released. Then we can get mad.


there might be some added stuff.. u never know...if they told u everything there would be no suprises in the gameplay...for instance they might add some scenes from the novels...like the capture and defence of alpha base..some stuff like that that you never saw in combat evolved..maybe some cut scenes or something extra..

  • 06.17.2011 5:16 AM PDT

Halo 4 can't come out soon enough!

Usually I would call soomeone like you whiney, but I agree. i have a lot of nostalgia for Halo CE, I don't want them to -blam!- this up.

Oh they will. I love Halo. But people like you.. I dont know.. You have to find something to complain about, they wont be able to please everyone, because no one knows what to expect when a classic game is brought back. People are so used to seeing things in that classic light, that its hard to imagine it changing. So no matter how you look at it, someone, somewhere, will say they messed it up.

  • 06.17.2011 3:59 PM PDT

Formally Bungie.net member: Stan Darsh

Anyone have word on the M6d Pistol?

  • 06.17.2011 4:55 PM PDT


Posted by: XLrLNoOdLE
Usually I would call soomeone like you whiney, but I agree. i have a lot of nostalgia for Halo CE, I don't want them to -blam!- this up.

Oh they will. I love Halo. But people like you.. I dont know.. You have to find something to complain about, they wont be able to please everyone, because no one knows what to expect when a classic game is brought back. People are so used to seeing things in that classic light, that its hard to imagine it changing. So no matter how you look at it, someone, somewhere, will say they messed it up.



yes i agree they will screw up in some aspects.. and there will be spots where they or other people will say "why didnt we/they do this here?" but overall there is a general approval or disapproval in total. even if people find faults if they really break it down to the elements of it all and judge everything then a clear decision can be made

  • 06.17.2011 6:28 PM PDT

Just play it so it looks like the one from 2001, problem solved

  • 06.17.2011 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: CapacityX49
who really cares about the AR model? it won't really make any difference in gameplay, reach broke canon, and either CE or Halo: the flood broke canon as there were supposedly ODST's at the truth and reconciliation (according to the book)


i wouldnt say the book screwed up the story line..technically there were so many gaps that needed to be filled it couldve happened..the book kinda filled around the gaps that the game had already made

  • 06.17.2011 6:33 PM PDT

OK, i don't know what your going through because i started playing halo with halo 3. I did get halo 2 and ce and have played them, i think they are great games. Just because they made a few mistakes doesn't mean you can just throw the idea out! 343 still has A YEAR to fix plenty of things. I'm sure everything will be fine. Anyway, when they transitione from halo ce to halo 2 to halo 3 the only reason it still looked similar is that they didn't have the graphics to make the gun look how they pictured, Especially back in Halo CE times. Dude, the new version in The anniversary edition and reach is probably how they pictured it to be in the first place! I've read plenty of Halo books and i know there isn't a whole lot of difference between the MA37 and the MA5B. They are both assault rfles just different variants, so of course they're going to look and sound similar. For example, M4A1 assault rifle and the M4 Colt Commando. They look almost exactly the same, yet the M4 Colt is slightly smaller and has a shorter barrel. Two diferent VARIANTS. Also between the M4A1 and The M16, look similar don't they? Yet they're two different guns.

  • 06.17.2011 7:18 PM PDT


Posted by: CoolDuDe72
OK, i don't know what your going through because i started playing halo with halo 3. I did get halo 2 and ce and have played them, i think they are great games. Just because they made a few mistakes doesn't mean you can just throw the idea out! 343 still has A YEAR to fix plenty of things. I'm sure everything will be fine. Anyway, when they transitione from halo ce to halo 2 to halo 3 the only reason it still looked similar is that they didn't have the graphics to make the gun look how they pictured, Especially back in Halo CE times. Dude, the new version in The anniversary edition and reach is probably how they pictured it to be in the first place! I've read plenty of Halo books and i know there isn't a whole lot of difference between the MA37 and the MA5B. They are both assault rfles just different variants, so of course they're going to look and sound similar. For example, M4A1 assault rifle and the M4 Colt Commando. They look almost exactly the same, yet the M4 Colt is slightly smaller and has a shorter barrel. Two diferent VARIANTS. Also between the M4A1 and The M16, look similar don't they? Yet they're two different guns.


lol i love how people are saying "they prolly wanted it to look like this in the first place" thats a load of bs. maybe the texture wud be different but it wouldnt change dramatically. the pistol in halo ce to the magnum in halo 3 that was a good evolution of a gun (texture wise)...and lol kid? in halo 3 the graphics capability was there at the time...u had great games out and there was the technology idk what ur talking about...halo 1 and 2 yea the graphics capability was less than today but it was -blam!-...like it wasnt sega or atari...halo was top of the line graphics back then and they definatly knew what they wanted the guns to look like..

[Edited on 06.17.2011 7:29 PM PDT]

  • 06.17.2011 7:28 PM PDT

be casual, have fun

Posted by: FourKILLMASTER
Personally one thing I wouldn't mind is if they added new weapons but kept all the classics. Maybe they could have a hand-full of Ma37's which basically acted as the Ma5b but with more damage and accuracy. Also the inclusion of ODST on Truth and Reconciliation would be a welcome addition . Maybe even adding in the Carbine or Beam Rifle to improve continuation between Halo CE and Halo 2. Also in Reach Marines boarded the POA with Ma37s so it would make some sense for a few rifles to be scattered around. But if there is one thing they shouldn't do it is change the appearance of Master Chief. That really grinds my gears.

I agree with this. I'd like to see the MA5B being the primary weapon, but on occasion you could find an MA37 or DMR. That would make me happy.


If you are all for canon, then how would the other weapons fit into the game? You are just contradicting yourself.

  • 06.17.2011 7:36 PM PDT


Posted by: KC IPTV
Posted by: FourKILLMASTER
Personally one thing I wouldn't mind is if they added new weapons but kept all the classics. Maybe they could have a hand-full of Ma37's which basically acted as the Ma5b but with more damage and accuracy. Also the inclusion of ODST on Truth and Reconciliation would be a welcome addition . Maybe even adding in the Carbine or Beam Rifle to improve continuation between Halo CE and Halo 2. Also in Reach Marines boarded the POA with Ma37s so it would make some sense for a few rifles to be scattered around. But if there is one thing they shouldn't do it is change the appearance of Master Chief. That really grinds my gears.

I agree with this. I'd like to see the MA5B being the primary weapon, but on occasion you could find an MA37 or DMR. That would make me happy.


If you are all for canon, then how would the other weapons fit into the game? You are just contradicting yourself.


i agree with this statement. reach screwed up the timeline and everything..they shud have at least made some reference..like the army soldiers on reach carried ma37s and the navy marines carried ma5bs. but they -blam!- it up by just adding what they wanted and leaving it at that..

  • 06.17.2011 8:15 PM PDT

Yes it would be nice but remember there is a classic mode.. you can switch 10 years ago or now but i agree they should of have the weapons from halo ce because MA5b was used but not used ma37 at the time also they must bring back the pistol in halo ce if they make it dual wield or anything to it they have stuffed the game up. The mariens well they should of kept there old armour not plant marines from reach onto it. Yes defantly what i h8 about halo 3 halo reach they keep changing the Mk V helmet sirously! Use the shadow over the visor it looks way better on master chief the thing that realy grinded my gears is they new master chief like he looks nothing like the origanal i was disapointed with the helmet to. But its 10 years later -blam!- happpens new technology new graphics its all good

  • 06.17.2011 8:45 PM PDT

Friends before pixels.

Dude, the changes are miniscule. If you don't like it, hit the button to change it.

  • 06.18.2011 12:23 AM PDT

I reckon that 343 has severly f'ed up from what I have seen, for example, incorporating the reach MP w/ armor abilities is pretty carp & it doesn't make any sense, also w/ h4 I reckon that just in the trailer, why the fave does MC have a jetpack & a nade launching pistol. So I think that 343 will ruin the halo series.

  • 06.18.2011 5:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Fave Like Yeah
I reckon that 343 has severly f'ed up from what I have seen, for example, incorporating the reach MP w/ armor abilities is pretty carp & it doesn't make any sense, also w/ h4 I reckon that just in the trailer, why the fave does MC have a jetpack & a nade launching pistol. So I think that 343 will ruin the halo series.


idk it might just be the opposite. think about it this way 343 was a product of microsoft. microsoft has been sitting on the sidelines for 10 years watching bungie make halo games..they know was has worked and what doesnt work. which is why they wanna do a halo 1 trubute. making sense so far? 343 MIGHT just maybe there might be a slight glimmer of hope that they make a really great awesome halo ce remake. and not everything is final. i heard that they just put in halo reach models as place savers or something.. so they might change it by the release of the game. as for the h4 pistol when i watched the trailer i thought the chief shot something in the ship causing the door to explode and the lack of air caused the bullet to travel weird..only time will tell tho

  • 06.18.2011 7:29 AM PDT

When you think it's all over, you are dead. Yay.

I. SEE. YOU. RECLAIMER.


Posted by: KC IPTV
Posted by: FourKILLMASTER
Personally one thing I wouldn't mind is if they added new weapons but kept all the classics. Maybe they could have a hand-full of Ma37's which basically acted as the Ma5b but with more damage and accuracy. Also the inclusion of ODST on Truth and Reconciliation would be a welcome addition . Maybe even adding in the Carbine or Beam Rifle to improve continuation between Halo CE and Halo 2. Also in Reach Marines boarded the POA with Ma37s so it would make some sense for a few rifles to be scattered around. But if there is one thing they shouldn't do it is change the appearance of Master Chief. That really grinds my gears.

I agree with this. I'd like to see the MA5B being the primary weapon, but on occasion you could find an MA37 or DMR. That would make me happy.


If you are all for canon, then how would the other weapons fit into the game? You are just contradicting yourself.

In the canon, MA37s and DMRs are still supposedly in service in minimal amounts with the Marines. Plus, I take back what I said about that. Putting a DMR or MA37 into a game where they don't belong just wouldn't work.

  • 06.18.2011 2:21 PM PDT

You sure love canon.

  • 06.18.2011 3:06 PM PDT

Turkey

Even so, nothing will EVER top Reach in terms of breaking canon.


Also, if you don't like it, press the "back" button on the Xbox controller during gameplay.

/thread

  • 06.18.2011 8:50 PM PDT

Don't judge me as a player by the statistics I have for Halo 3 on this Xbox Live account. My older account was unfortunately hacked and I had to start all over again. My older Bungie account was supamario493 with the gamertag ShottySnipa417, which had been stolen from me. I did, however manage to get Recon again. =D

Did anyone else notice the Elite Zealots in the trailer being the same as Reach's Zealots? That pissed me off more than the AR imo.

In all honesty, they could be placeholder models. Heck, they confirmed that MC's model wasn't finalized in the trailer. I believe I read that in Frankie's Halo Bulletin. So if that in itself isn't final, maybe other aspects aren't final either.

I believe this is so because they aren't tweaking ANYTHING that relates to gameplay other than the additional easter eggs. All their focus on is the graphics. I could be wrong, but all the models that people are complaining about, from the marine models to the AR models and, for me, the Zealot models, might still be getting polished to look like their older selves but prettier.

  • 06.18.2011 9:41 PM PDT

i totally agree ive been a fan of halo CE over all other halos, i mean the whole reason i have an xbox360 is for halo but they cant mess up halo CE even if it is the anniversery 343 should just make the guns and everything else look better not add halo reach skins

  • 06.18.2011 10:10 PM PDT

-Kilroy Was Here

Well, it may look like the Reach model, however it quite possibly has the same feel, ammo, firing range, power, etc. as the Halo 1 one. And it could still just be placeholders.

I believe that the marines are placeholder models, just as that blamed Master Cheif Helmet was a placeholder.

As for canon....when has a game EVER made stuff specifically for canonical purposes? Chillax.

  • 07.15.2011 7:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Xbro21
Well, it may look like the Reach model, however it quite possibly has the same feel, ammo, firing range, power, etc. as the Halo 1 one. And it could still just be placeholders.

I believe that the marines are placeholder models, just as that blamed Master Cheif Helmet was a placeholder.

As for canon....when has a game EVER made stuff specifically for canonical purposes? Chillax.


Halo was made with a storyline so that intelligent people would buy it AND kids with no attention span like you would buy it. They would loose alot of people if they started changing story facts with no explaination... me included.

  • 07.15.2011 8:32 PM PDT

The new Assault Rifle acts the EXACT same way as the MA5B. It just looks different and that's all. Also, the MA5B can look anyway they want it to look. It just looked smooth and all in the first one because it was a 2001 game and graphic technology wasn't that good. No one said the model from the original was the way they imagined it to look. This new one might be what they wanted it to look like all along.

[Edited on 07.15.2011 8:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2011 8:46 PM PDT