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Subject: Halo: Anniversary... Nice job with the canon-breaking models, guys!

They didn't change the way the weapons behave. I think that's a little more important than the models they used...

  • 06.06.2011 2:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Asmileface
They didn't change the way the weapons behave. I think that's a little more important than the models they used...

Yes, that is important. But what's equally important is the canon that was shattered when they used the incorrect weapon models.

  • 06.06.2011 2:50 PM PDT


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Posted by: Asmileface
They didn't change the way the weapons behave. I think that's a little more important than the models they used...

Yes, that is important. But what's equally important is the canon that was shattered when they used the incorrect weapon models.


Wait, "canon was shattered"

That's like saying in a remake of Dragon ball z, the entire canon is shattered because they made the dragon balls a different shade of red/orange.

Sorry dude. Your overreacting.

  • 06.06.2011 3:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: Asmileface
They didn't change the way the weapons behave. I think that's a little more important than the models they used...

Yes, that is important. But what's equally important is the canon that was shattered when they used the incorrect weapon models.


Wait, "canon was shattered"

That's like saying in a remake of Dragon ball z, the entire canon is shattered because they made the dragon balls a different shade of red/orange.

Sorry dude. Your overreacting.

No, that's not what it's like. That would just be an update of coloring and/or modeling, which is what Bungie's been doing with the Halo games. But using the MA37, a weapon clearly different than the MA5B, as a replacement, that's just wrong. It's not an update, it's a replacement.

  • 06.06.2011 3:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Seamus001
Usually I would call soomeone like you whiney, but I agree. i have a lot of nostalgia for Halo CE, I don't want them to -blam!- this up.
Yeah, I was looking forward to the CE remake and still am mind you, but... not looking forward to it in the same way. I was hoping to play multi-player online, with CE game-play. It is ultimately more classic and more fun than Reach in my opinion.

  • 06.06.2011 3:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: Asmileface
They didn't change the way the weapons behave. I think that's a little more important than the models they used...

Yes, that is important. But what's equally important is the canon that was shattered when they used the incorrect weapon models.


Wait, "canon was shattered"

That's like saying in a remake of Dragon ball z, the entire canon is shattered because they made the dragon balls a different shade of red/orange.

Sorry dude. Your overreacting.

No, that's not what it's like. That would just be an update of coloring and/or modeling, which is what Bungie's been doing with the Halo games. But using the MA37, a weapon clearly different than the MA5B, as a replacement, that's just wrong. It's not an update, it's a replacement.


You should look closer at the images someone posted. Its not the same. Sure, it has the yellow mark, and is a bit thinner than the original weapon. But, in the new advanced graphics, would the thicker gun even be a good idea? They probably tried out both models in testing, and decided against it.

Once you play the game, you will know for sure how different the guns are. No need to get angry right now.

  • 06.06.2011 3:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: KAIOKAN

Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: KAIOKAN

Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: Asmileface
They didn't change the way the weapons behave. I think that's a little more important than the models they used...

Yes, that is important. But what's equally important is the canon that was shattered when they used the incorrect weapon models.


Wait, "canon was shattered"

That's like saying in a remake of Dragon ball z, the entire canon is shattered because they made the dragon balls a different shade of red/orange.

Sorry dude. Your overreacting.

No, that's not what it's like. That would just be an update of coloring and/or modeling, which is what Bungie's been doing with the Halo games. But using the MA37, a weapon clearly different than the MA5B, as a replacement, that's just wrong. It's not an update, it's a replacement.


You should look closer at the images someone posted. Its not the same. Sure, it has the yellow mark, and is a bit thinner than the original weapon. But, in the new advanced graphics, would the thicker gun even be a good idea? They probably tried out both models in testing, and decided against it.

Once you play the game, you will know for sure how different the guns are. No need to get angry right now.

I'm sorry... Whaaaat?

When did I say that they were the same? I went AGAINST that. This whole thread is my point that 343 isn't using a remade model of the MA5B, rather just reusing the MA37 model. They're two different weapons, and should be treated as such. If they bothered to remake Master Chief's armor, why not the weapons?

  • 06.06.2011 3:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: DudeMX
*sigh*
OK Here we go...

Original AR
Halo Reach AR
Remake AR

looks similar? yes since it needs better graphics
is it the MA37? NO... check the gun display

physics will stay the same, new models MUST be made of course
and before someone starts this...

the god gun will be back too don't worry

Okay. Right. The newly modeled AR has 60 rounds. Big deal. All 343 did was take the MA37 model and update it. If you look closely, the MA37 is much more skeletal and detailed than the MA5B. The MA5B, in turn, looks very solid. The remake's AR doesn't look solid. The remake's AR is the MA37, thus breaking the game's canon.
You just went full retard...

I will only respond to logic, this is nonsense.

That's just an excuse for you not thinking of a good comeback. You know I'm right. You can't take the MA37's model and slap a new ammo counter on there and say, "HERP A DERP HERE'S THE NEW MA5B." It doesn't work that way. Halo has something called canon. And in the canon, the MA5B did NOT look like the MA37. I think you should pay more attention to the finer details. Sure, they look vaguely similar, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't the same guns. I think you should review those images you posted.

It looks like a not ugly version of the Halo 1 AR. I have no idea what you're smoking.

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I suppose those are some good points. But they are probably placeholders.

At least the Elites have changed in appearance.

  • 06.06.2011 4:02 PM PDT

The Halo 1 Remake Is not even a Remake... they just replaced all the textures and model according to the HaloWaypoint Behind the scenes video.

Only the Multiplayer is Halo Reach, i think it will be ODST style, the MP is separate, but with new Maps.

  • 06.06.2011 4:07 PM PDT

Personally, I'm not going to be looking at the skeletal design, all that matters to me is the readout (which is repaired) and the beautiful spray of death eminating from the business end, which'll still just be a graphical update - same physics engine, remember?

That being said, I don't like the marines, but it looks like they've got all the old characters (maybe even the old quotes), so as long as Johnson's not portrayed as a run-of-the-mill trooper, I'm happy.

And gimme that magnum. I've got alien armies to conquer.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 4:15 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 4:14 PM PDT


Posted by: TehWarMoose
Now here's a question. Will you have shields and/or be able to wield energy swords. 'cause you couldn't in CE.

Also, will you have armor-customization in multiplayer?


Wtf? you had shields in halo ce. and multiplayer isnt cannon so it doesnt matter if you can customize your armor or not.

  • 06.06.2011 4:18 PM PDT


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Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: DudeMX
Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: DudeMX
*sigh*
OK Here we go...

Original AR
Halo Reach AR
Remake AR

looks similar? yes since it needs better graphics
is it the MA37? NO... check the gun display

physics will stay the same, new models MUST be made of course
and before someone starts this...

the god gun will be back too don't worry

Okay. Right. The newly modeled AR has 60 rounds. Big deal. All 343 did was take the MA37 model and update it. If you look closely, the MA37 is much more skeletal and detailed than the MA5B. The MA5B, in turn, looks very solid. The remake's AR doesn't look solid. The remake's AR is the MA37, thus breaking the game's canon.
You just went full retard...

I will only respond to logic, this is nonsense.

That's just an excuse for you not thinking of a good comeback. You know I'm right. You can't take the MA37's model and slap a new ammo counter on there and say, "HERP A DERP HERE'S THE NEW MA5B." It doesn't work that way. Halo has something called canon. And in the canon, the MA5B did NOT look like the MA37. I think you should pay more attention to the finer details. Sure, they look vaguely similar, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't the same guns. I think you should review those images you posted.

It looks like a not ugly version of the Halo 1 AR. I have no idea what you're smoking.


it looks exactly like the MA37!

  • 06.06.2011 4:21 PM PDT


Posted by: boogerman77

Wtf? you had shields in halo ce. and multiplayer isnt cannon so it doesnt matter if you can customize your armor or not.


That, and the MP is just Reach with new Maps.

  • 06.06.2011 4:24 PM PDT

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Since the only thing they did was add a graphics layer over the original game I tend to believe this is incorrect. They even added a button so you can play the original without even the graphics overhaul. Same physics, same guns, same sounds, same game.

  • 06.06.2011 4:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: BK Burger Boy
It looks like a not ugly version of the Halo 1 AR. I have no idea what you're smoking.

Take a closer look, please. It looks nothing like the MA5B. It's the MA37 model with an updated ammo counter.

  • 06.06.2011 4:36 PM PDT

imagine the new models and updates as the way CE SHOULD have looked? Maybe with better graphics the way the MA5B looked in Halo CE would have looked like the way they redesigned it as? As for the Marines, those ARE Marines. I get that in Reach there are soldiers, Marines and ODST Marines, but for all we know the armor is interchangeable. It's not like the dialogue changes, right? So they are still Marines as long as they don't change dialogue to start calling them soldier. It looks different, but it's the same game, same characters, same Marines and same MA5B. Just different looking because quite frankly they can do more with a new engine. It's a game. You really can't be seriously upset over minor changes in appearance can you? It's the same game faithfully recreated with better graphics. There's a button you can press (watch the VIDoc) that instantly changes the game in real time back to the original graphics. It's the exact same game only it looks better. if anything this just means that alot of the "troopers" we saw fighting on reach were actually Marines.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 4:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 4:51 PM PDT

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imagine the new models and updates as the way CE SHOULD have looked? Maybe with better graphics the way the MA5B looked in Halo CE would have looked like the way they redesigned it as? As for the Marines, those ARE Marines. I get that in Reach there are soldiers, Marines and ODST Marines, but for all we know the armor is interchangeable. It's not like the dialogue changes, right? So they are still Marines as long as they don't change dialogue to start calling them soldier. It looks different, but it's the same game, same characters, same Marines and same MA5B. Just different looking because quite frankly they can do more with a new engine. It's a game. You really can't be seriously upset over minor changes in appearance can you? It's the same game faithfully recreated with better graphics. There's a button you can press (watch the VIDoc) that instantly changes the game in real time back to the original graphics. It's the exact same game only it looks better. if anything this just means that alot of the "troopers" we saw fighting on reach were actually Marines.

Once again, the MA37 and the MA5B are DIFFERENT weapons. They look COMPLETELY different in the canon. It's not a graphical update if they reuse a model meant for a separate weapon. Also, the Marines ONLY appear in Reach in the last level. The ones with the closed visors and completely brown armor. That's what I expect the Marines to look like in the remake, if not a recreation of their original. I know all about the original look option, but I want to play through the game with the new graphics, too. And, as a hardcore Halo fan and being deep with the story and canon, having different weapons than what's supposed to be there at the time is a real pain.

  • 06.06.2011 5:20 PM PDT
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Man seriously Its just such a little detail with models the recipe has to be changed once in a while and besides if u dont like it just dont buy it play the old CE

  • 06.06.2011 5:28 PM PDT

but understand that they are still calling it an MA5B, they are still calling it the Marines...the dialogue doesn't change, nor do any events or levels or even cutscene animations. It is a pretty reimagining of what CE looked like, not a direct copy. Can't we just accept that Marines look like that now? It's essentially your imagination anyway. I'm not arguing with you, I love canon and I agree completely on a lot of what you are saying. But the old designs would look weird with today's graphics. They had to work with the polygons they had at the time. Look at what the new Master Chief looks like: he's the ugliest part of the new trailer, because he is the most unchanged! Those ARE the Marines and that IS the MA5B, simply cosmetically different in both cases. It's a beautification and remodeling that won't effect canon at all. NOW, if the dialogue changes, and the Marines are all of a sudden calling eachother soldier, and Sgt Johnson is all of a sudden an Army doggy, then I will complain. But I think we have to accept that the armor of the Marines and the soldiers can be interchangeable to a degree. It doesn't effect canon if the changes are slight cosmetic upgrades. The old AR, old cardboard-looking Marines, those things would be ugly without a redesign

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  • 06.06.2011 5:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: CAPTAIN quick
but understand that they are still calling it an MA5B, they are still calling it the Marines...the dialogue doesn't change, nor do any events or levels or even cutscene animations. It is a pretty reimagining of what CE looked like, not a direct copy. Can't we just accept that Marines look like that now? It's essentially your imagination anyway. I'm not arguing with you, I love canon and I agree completely on a lot of what you are saying. But the old designs would look weird with today's graphics. They had to work with the polygons they had at the time. Look at what the new Master Chief looks like: he's the ugliest part of the new trailer, because he is the most unchanged! Those ARE the Marines and that IS the MA5B, simply cosmetically different in both cases. It's a beautification and remodeling that won't effect canon at all. NOW, if the dialogue changes, and the Marines are all of a sudden calling eachother soldier, and Sgt Johnson is all of a sudden an Army doggy, then I will complain. But I think we have to accept that the armor of the Marines and the soldiers can be interchangeable to a degree. It doesn't effect canon if the changes are slight cosmetic upgrades. The old AR, old cardboard-looking Marines, those things would be ugly without a redesign

Did you pay attention to me at ALL? Okay, I'll start from the beginning, all over again.

I said before that Bungie does graphical updates. That's perfectly fine with me. I like the way the new Army troopers and Marines look. But here's the thing: in the Anniversary trailer, the Marines were using the ARMY model, not the Marine model that was made for Reach. Also, the MA37 is its OWN WEAPON! It looks COMPLETELY different than the MA5B. I have to say this over and over and over again and it gets me REALLY mad. It's not a graphical update at all. They're just reusing the MA37's model. The MA5B has its own model. Sure, they could refurbish that one, but it should look the same as it did in general back in the old days, with the same basic shape.

Take a look at these pictures:
The MA37
The MA5B

See what I mean? They're separate weapons. They don't look the same. At all.

And if they wanted to make this seem a lot like the first game, they could have at LEAST kept the original stuff. And I, for one, like the refurbished Master Chief.

  • 06.06.2011 6:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood
Yes, it does matter. It's already been established that the MA5B and the MA37 are separate weapons belonging to different forces of the UNSC. Canon is canon.
What are the differences of the exterior components between the two models, may I ask?

PS. I'd just like to point out that the Reach AR was what the original Halo CE's AR's original design looks like, but Xbox didn't have the polygons afforded to weapons that 360 does. Reach AR can be seen as an uncompromised version of the original intent of the weapon design, whereas Halo 3's AR was a garbage up-resing of the original games model that lacked the true meaning and heart of the gun as it did in Reach.

  • 06.06.2011 6:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood
Yes, it does matter. It's already been established that the MA5B and the MA37 are separate weapons belonging to different forces of the UNSC. Canon is canon.
What are the differences of the exterior components between the two models, may I ask?

PS. I'd just like to point out that the Reach AR was what the original Halo CE's AR's original design looks like, but Xbox didn't have the polygons afforded to weapons that 360 does. Reach AR can be seen as an uncompromised version of the original intent of the weapon design, whereas Halo 3's AR was a garbage up-resing of the original games model that lacked the true meaning and heart of the gun as it did in Reach.

Then explain to me why the Reach AR is called the MA37 versus the MA5B? And the MA37 being a recreation of the MA5B isn't official information.

  • 06.06.2011 6:19 PM PDT

Zombie? What are you!? Racist? Its called "living impaired" you idiot!

Can we all just agree to say that 343 is royally f***ing this up so far? I wanted a true remake, but it looks like thats too much to ask for. =<

Oh yeah, in the video he says this: "The campaign of the decade, remastered..."

WTF man?

[Edited on 06.06.2011 6:23 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 6:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood
Take a look at these pictures:
The MA37
The MA5B

See what I mean? They're separate weapons. They don't look the same. At all.

And if they wanted to make this seem a lot like the first game, they could have at LEAST kept the original stuff. And I, for one, like the refurbished Master Chief.
That's because one is a new model that more closely resembles the artist's original design and the other is a compromised model from the original title that has been put through the turbo smooth and completely betray's the original game's design.

  • 06.06.2011 6:22 PM PDT