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Subject: Halo: Anniversary... Nice job with the canon-breaking models, guys!

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Posted by: Bruzzrad
Can we all just agree to say that 343 is royally f***ing this up so far? I wanted a true remake, but it looks like thats too much to ask for. =<

I agree. They could've at least put more heart into properly recreating the weapons and character models. I really hope that they're just placeholders and not the final models.

  • 06.06.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood
When I first saw Halo: Anniversary, I got really excited. I can go back to playing the original game in a completely new way with my friends over XBox Live and with new graphics. There's only one thing that got me down...

The weapons

I don't even understand why they chose to use the MA37 instead of the MA5B for the remake. The MA5B was the Marine's standard weapon during Halo: CE, NOT the MA37. ALL of the weapons are taken from Halo: Reach. Not cool.

If the weapons weren't bad enough, 343 didn't even bother to remodel the original Marines to use. They just took the Army models from Reach and plopped them onto the Marine characters. They could have at least used the Reach Marine models with the closed visors.

I hope that these models are just placeholders. As a long-time fan of Halo, I do NOT want to see a potentially great game like this break canon.


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  • 06.06.2011 6:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big T Mac10

Posted by: DroidekaDood
Take a look at these pictures:
The MA37
The MA5B

See what I mean? They're separate weapons. They don't look the same. At all.

And if they wanted to make this seem a lot like the first game, they could have at LEAST kept the original stuff. And I, for one, like the refurbished Master Chief.
That's because one is a new model that more closely resembles the artist's original design and the other is a compromised model from the original title that has been put through the turbo smooth and completely betray's the original game's design.

I'd like to see an image of the original artist's design, please. I don't think you know what you're talking about. The MA5B is SUPPOSED to look that way. It always was meant to look like that. The MA37 is simply a different weapon with a different look. So, the MA37 and the MA5B are separate weapons with their own unique looks. I keep saying this but none of you guys seem to get it.

  • 06.06.2011 6:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood
When I first saw Halo: Anniversary, I got really excited. I can go back to playing the original game in a completely new way with my friends over XBox Live and with new graphics. There's only one thing that got me down...

The weapons

I don't even understand why they chose to use the MA37 instead of the MA5B for the remake. The MA5B was the Marine's standard weapon during Halo: CE, NOT the MA37. ALL of the weapons are taken from Halo: Reach. Not cool.

If the weapons weren't bad enough, 343 didn't even bother to remodel the original Marines to use. They just took the Army models from Reach and plopped them onto the Marine characters. They could have at least used the Reach Marine models with the closed visors.

I hope that these models are just placeholders. As a long-time fan of Halo, I do NOT want to see a potentially great game like this break canon.


OP ima put you in a cannon.. and blast you to hell

Nice one. It's always fun to see another ignorant face around here.

  • 06.06.2011 6:25 PM PDT

If you can't take the heat, get out of the ROCKET PROPULSION TEST CHAMBER!!!!!!!!!

Could someone post a link to the image of the Remake MC? Because I can't seem to find him...


Forget it...

[Edited on 06.06.2011 6:29 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 6:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood

Then explain to me why the Reach AR is called the MA37 versus the MA5B? And the MA37 being a recreation of the MA5B isn't official information.
Because guns go through a ton of slight revisions that are hardly noticeable. Could you be able to look at different models of the AK47 and tell me the difference between the type 3A/B and the type 4 A/B? Or any of the models? Hell, is it even proven the AR in Halo 3 is the exact same model as the one found in Halo CE?

  • 06.06.2011 6:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big T Mac10

Posted by: DroidekaDood

Then explain to me why the Reach AR is called the MA37 versus the MA5B? And the MA37 being a recreation of the MA5B isn't official information.
Because guns go through a ton of slight revisions that are hardly noticeable. Could you be able to look at different models of the AK47 and tell me the difference between the type 3A/B and the type 4 A/B? Or any of the models? Hell, is it even proven the AR in Halo 3 is the exact same model as the one found in Halo CE?

The AR in Halo 3 is NOT the same model. The Halo 3 AR is the MA5C, which has a longer barrel and length, and lower ammo count to prevent jamming of the weapon. It HAS been proven, officially, by Bungie. It's also been proven that the MA37 is the predecessor to the MA5 series of assault rifles. The MA5 series is more smooth and streamlined, while the MA37 is rough and skeletal. I'd appreciate it if you knew more about the canon of the game before you tried to argue about it.

  • 06.06.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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My money is on 343 fixing at least these technicalities by release. They have an extremely small task ahead of them reskinning the campaign with Reach assets, so they should have plenty of time to resolve any issues that may present themselves before the release. In my opinion, the trailer we saw looked awfully rough, so it's pretty likely all we saw there were placeholders. To the OP, if you agree on this, I'd say things are looking up on this issue. Whether or not 343 messes this up in another way remains to be seen.

  • 06.06.2011 6:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood

Nice one. It's always fun to see another ignorant face around here.


Dude.. your dragging this on.. Its meant to be an update to CE graphics. The Models for the AR dont break canon, when they brought AR back to H3 it was the same ugly AR from H1, I really like the updated look personally.. you might stick to your OPINIONS but it doesnt need to drag on any further.. /THREAD

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  • 06.06.2011 6:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: FTS ANTI TEXX
Posted by: DroidekaDood

OP ima put you in a cannon.. and blast you to hell[/quote]
Nice one. It's always fun to see another ignorant face around here.


Dude.. your dragging this on.. Its meant to be an update to CE graphics. The Models for the AR dont break canon, when they brought AR back to H3 it was the same ugly AR from H1, I really like the updated look personally.. you might stick to your OPINIONS but it doesnt need to drag on any further.. /THREAD

It's not my opinions. It's the canon. CANONICALLY, in the Halo's story, the Halo: CE, Halo 3, and Halo: Reach assault rifles are ALL different. The MA5 series, of which the MA5B and MA5C belong to, are streamlined and less rugged. The MA37, the gun featured in Reach, is NOT A GRAPHICAL UPDATE OF THE MA5 SERIES, but its own weapon. I don't understand why NONE of you understand what I'm trying to say.

  • 06.06.2011 6:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood

I'd like to see an image of the original artist's design, please. I don't think you know what you're talking about. The MA5B is SUPPOSED to look that way. It always was meant to look like that. The MA37 is simply a different weapon with a different look. So, the MA37 and the MA5B are separate weapons with their own unique looks. I keep saying this but none of you guys seem to get it.
Are you actually suggesting that their original intent was of piss poor design? Give them credit.

  • 06.06.2011 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big T Mac10

Posted by: DroidekaDood

I'd like to see an image of the original artist's design, please. I don't think you know what you're talking about. The MA5B is SUPPOSED to look that way. It always was meant to look like that. The MA37 is simply a different weapon with a different look. So, the MA37 and the MA5B are separate weapons with their own unique looks. I keep saying this but none of you guys seem to get it.
Are you actually suggesting that their original intent was of piss poor design? Give them credit.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the MA5B as being a piss-poor design. I actually like it. It's streamlined and smooth. The way you suggested it, you made it seem like the MA37 was the original design of the gun.

  • 06.06.2011 6:39 PM PDT

this is getting to the point of videogame Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, OP. When I'm playing the remake, I will know that the guys I'm fighting with are Marines and the AR is the MA5B because the game is exactly the same only prettier. I KNOW THE NEW AR LOOKS LIKE THE REACH AR MORE THAN THE MA5B--BUT THAT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE A NEW GRAPHICS ENGINE MAKES ALL DESIGN ARGUMENTS ALMOST MOOT. There is no canon being broken: the game won't pretend that it is a new gun or that the guys you fight with aren't Marines. They are Marines and it is the same AR. It is a reimagining in terms of graphics and design, not canon. Jesus, you flip out over a graphical tweek, but somehow not over the changes in armor of Marines in each Halo game? Or the new details to ships and vehicles? Graphical changes don't break canon. The Marines are still Marines despite them looking like reach troopers. BTW, perhaps the reach troopers were a mix of army and marine? perhaps the early ma5b had a prototype that looked closer to the reach AR? It's a game. you buy it. It's YOUR Game. you can invent any excuse to make you happy, but honestly the graphics can only get better from here. The fact that this freaks you out so bad is seriously not normal dude. THE CANON DOESN'T CHANGE, IT'S JUST A REIMAGINING of the design! The only thing that can really change canon is if the dialogue changes, and suddenly these are soldiers and not Marines, but if the dialogue and Marine references remain, then i guess you're just going to have to accept that this is how the Marines looked in CE, and this is how the AR looked. This is the least of the problems. Who knows, maybe they're just placeholder images anyway!

  • 06.06.2011 6:43 PM PDT

Go ahead and show me exactly what the MA5B looks like with reach graphics, OH WAIT, it didn't exist, until designers decided to make one, THEY ARE THE SAME GUN WITH VERY SLIGHT DIFFERENCES. Then again, I don't care. And it's a little sad that you do so intensely.

  • 06.06.2011 6:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood

The AR in Halo 3 is NOT the same model. The Halo 3 AR is the MA5C, which has a longer barrel and length, and lower ammo count to prevent jamming of the weapon. It HAS been proven, officially, by Bungie. It's also been proven that the MA37 is the predecessor to the MA5 series of assault rifles. The MA5 series is more smooth and streamlined, while the MA37 is rough and skeletal. I'd appreciate it if you knew more about the canon of the game before you tried to argue about it.
If the name in the game and the model is retextured to say MA5B instead of MA37 then are you happy? Because aesthetics don't break canon, especially intangible aesthetics that are completely relative. "More smooth" and "Streamlined" are relative terms that have no merit when it comes to the canon of the game.

Technically the ONLY way the MA5B would be canon by your standard is to use the original model and texture. That's just silly.

Frankly, you can complain if it says the wrong model; that I'll give ya that, but you can't complain about the visuals from a canonical standpoint. There's no difference between the three models from tyhat standpoint. The only thing different between them is quality.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 6:52 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 6:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood
I'm sorry, but I don't see the MA5B as being a piss-poor design. I actually like it. It's streamlined and smooth. The way you suggested it, you made it seem like the MA37 was the original design of the gun.
Maybe I am giving the original artists more credit than they deserve. Frankly, it's impossible to prove what they're original design was. I personally would assume that for Reach they tried to model the gun after the original design rathar than essentially up-res the original games model considering this time they actually knew the 360 hardware and had the time to do it right.

And honestly if they were to create a 2001 model of the MA37 it would look identical to the MA5B found in the original game because that's what they had to work with at the time.

  • 06.06.2011 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: letshavecake
THEY ARE THE SAME GUN WITH VERY SLIGHT DIFFERENCES

Stop right there. The MA37 and the MA5B are DIFFERENT WEAPONS. They are different models in different series of weapons. Please come back when you understand even a small percentage of Halo's canon.

  • 06.06.2011 6:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big T Mac10

Posted by: DroidekaDood
I'm sorry, but I don't see the MA5B as being a piss-poor design. I actually like it. It's streamlined and smooth. The way you suggested it, you made it seem like the MA37 was the original design of the gun.
Maybe I am giving the original artists more credit than they deserve. Frankly, it's impossible to prove what they're original design was. I personally would assume that for Reach they tried to model the gun after the original design rathar than essentially up-res the original games model considering this time they actually knew the 360 hardware and had the time to do it right.

And honestly if they were to create a 2001 model of the MA37 it would look identical to the MA5B found in the original game because that's what they had to work with at the time.

The MA37 has a raised ammo counter, as well as a yellow stripe running down the side. Sure, maybe it wouldn't be as rugged, but how hard would it be to include a yellow stripe and raised ammo counter? Not that hard at all.

  • 06.06.2011 6:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: DroidekaDood
The MA37 has a raised ammo counter, as well as a yellow stripe running down the side. Sure, maybe it wouldn't be as rugged, but how hard would it be to include a yellow stripe and raised ammo counter? Not that hard at all.

So if it had a lower ammo counter and removed the yellow stripe from the reach model would that be acceptable?

  • 06.06.2011 7:09 PM PDT


Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: letshavecake
THEY ARE THE SAME GUN WITH VERY SLIGHT DIFFERENCES

Stop right there. The MA37 and the MA5B are DIFFERENT WEAPONS. They are different models in different series of weapons. Please come back when you understand even a small percentage of Halo's canon.

Way to not read anything other than something specific you can hate on, troll. You haven't seen what the MA5B looks like past Halo 3's graphics, and gameplay wise, they are the SAME, with very minor variations, LIKE I SAID ALREADY. IMO the only reason Bungie made the MA37 a different weapon in the first place, was to further differentiate the army from the marines. Then again, you don't listen to logic, and only care about keeping this flame-war going until everyone realizes that this doesn't matter in the slightest.

  • 06.06.2011 7:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bruzzrad
Can we all just agree to say that 343 is royally f***ing this up so far? I wanted a true remake, but it looks like thats too much to ask for. =<

Oh yeah, in the video he says this: "The campaign of the decade, remastered..."

WTF man?

It's like ODST, Campaign only.

  • 06.06.2011 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: letshavecake

Posted by: DroidekaDood

Posted by: letshavecake
THEY ARE THE SAME GUN WITH VERY SLIGHT DIFFERENCES

Stop right there. The MA37 and the MA5B are DIFFERENT WEAPONS. They are different models in different series of weapons. Please come back when you understand even a small percentage of Halo's canon.

Way to not read anything other than something specific you can hate on, troll. You haven't seen what the MA5B looks like past Halo 3's graphics, and gameplay wise, they are the SAME, with very minor variations, LIKE I SAID ALREADY. IMO the only reason Bungie made the MA37 a different weapon in the first place, was to further differentiate the army from the marines. Then again, you don't listen to logic, and only care about keeping this flame-war going until everyone realizes that this doesn't matter in the slightest.

I'm not sure you understand what a troll is. I HAVE been looking at everyone's posts, and I do listen to logic. And what you just said about the MA37 being made for the Army... The MA5B was made for the Marines. The Marines were in Halo: CE, not the Army. They have different weapons with different looks. And this isn't a flame-war in the slightest. I'm simply talking about how disappointed I am to see the EXACT SAME MODELS from Reach being used for a Halo: CE remake.

  • 06.06.2011 7:28 PM PDT

The concept is all that really matters.

Nice job making an extremely trivial observation.

  • 06.06.2011 7:28 PM PDT

Does it really matter?

We got the remake we all wanted!

  • 06.06.2011 7:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captain K
Nice job making an extremely trivial observation.

If they wanted to make this game look like Halo: CE with a graphics overhaul, they could have AT LEAST remodeled the original weapons. It shouldn't be that hard. So, in my eyes, something like this is not trivial, rather a showing of laziness.

  • 06.06.2011 7:31 PM PDT