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Subject: Could this community be any more fickle?

6 Months ago, average forum user: "Man, wouldn't it be great if we got a true Halo CE Remake in the Reach engine???? My life would be complete and I would never complain about anything ever again ever!@!@$!"

Remake is announced, average forum user: "OH MAH GAWD IT R JUST A HALO REMAKE NOTHING NEW AT ALLLLLLLLLL!!! HE R HAS WAIRD HELMET I HATE IT I HATE U MICRO$OFT Y U RUIN MA LIEF?????"

Seriously people, this remake seems pretty cool.

  • 06.06.2011 3:49 PM PDT

BAN ALL BRONIES

he must be from the halo reach forum...

  • 06.06.2011 3:51 PM PDT

What do you mean? There are several threads in this forum complaining about the re-make, and many, if not most, of the commenters seem to be more disappointed than happy. So yeah, fickle.

  • 06.06.2011 3:53 PM PDT

The exact specifications of the remake were always divisive.

Furthermore, much of the complaining is about the fact that H:A's multiplayer is just a Reach DLC pack. Very few people were asking for that.

edit: Basically, you generalize too much. The community did not have the single-minded viewpoint that you think it did. People are complaining about what they personally had asked for and didn't get.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 3:55 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 3:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Hunter S7
he must be from the halo reach forum...


Or are you talking about my average forum user impersonation? Sorry if I misinterpreted it.

  • 06.06.2011 3:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Tupolev
The exact specifications of the remake were always divisive.

Furthermore, much of the complaining is about the fact that H:A's multiplayer is just a Reach DLC pack. Very few people were asking for that.


Even if you aren't satisfied with how they are dealing with the multiplayer, I feel like there should be more enthusiasm than there is for the announcement. It can't perfectly please everybody, obviously, but it seems like this is as faithful a remake as they could have done. If it were anything else people would complain they changed, and thus ruined, the game.

  • 06.06.2011 3:57 PM PDT


Posted by: sam451
Even if you aren't satisfied with how they are dealing with the multiplayer, I feel like there should be more enthusiasm than there is for the announcement. It can't perfectly please everybody, obviously, but it seems like this is as faithful a remake as they could have done. If it were anything else people would complain they changed, and thus ruined, the game.

Allow me to explain, from my personal dissatisfied standpoint.

I like Halo 1's current aesthetic. I have my oXbox still hooked up to a CRT mainly because the old games on that machine just look and play better that way. I think the new aesthetic looks like crap. And I couldn't care less about a Reach DLC consisting of Halo 1 map remakes; I've played similar ones with cleaner geometry made in forge, and they're okay, and the DLC pack doesn't look like a huge improvement.

The result? The only thing the remake really serves to offer me is online coop. Which is great, but the main reason I would want a remake in the first place is to have faithful online multiplayer, off a console, with good netcode. The one big thing I wanted in the remake, it doesn't have.

edit: Well, I suppose it has firefight too. Still...

[Edited on 06.06.2011 4:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 4:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Tupolev

Posted by: sam451
Even if you aren't satisfied with how they are dealing with the multiplayer, I feel like there should be more enthusiasm than there is for the announcement. It can't perfectly please everybody, obviously, but it seems like this is as faithful a remake as they could have done. If it were anything else people would complain they changed, and thus ruined, the game.

Allow me to explain, from my personal dissatisfied standpoint.

I like Halo 1's current aesthetic. I have my oXbox still hooked up to a CRT mainly because the old games on that machine just look and play better that way. I think the new aesthetic looks like crap. And I couldn't care less about a Reach DLC consisting of Halo 1 map remakes; I've played similar ones with cleaner geometry made in forge, and they're okay, and the DLC pack doesn't look like a huge improvement.

The result? The only thing the remake really serves to offer me is online coop. Which is great, but the main reason I would want a remake in the first place is to have faithful online multiplayer, off a console, with good netcode. The one big thing I wanted in the remake, it doesn't have.


I don't know where you are coming from as far as your complaints about the aesthetic goes. But, addressing your multiplayer complaints, I think it makes sense to keep the maps in the Reach ecosystem. Reach's online community, while still huge in comparison to most games, is a lot smaller than 3's was, and further fracturing that community doesn't seem like fair treatment to a game thats multiplayer is still relatively young. For the vast majority of people, I think that adding the maps to reach is a better option.

I don't mind a few dissenting opinions, and your's seems like it has a basis (for you), but to see this kind of backlash from the whole community is disheartening to me.

  • 06.06.2011 4:11 PM PDT

Posted by: sam451
For the vast majority of people, I think that adding the maps to reach is a better option.

Nobody objects to Reach having those maps. But having them instead of a native Halo 1 online MP? Yeah, a lot of people are unhappy about that.

I don't mind a few dissenting opinions, and your's seems like it has a basis (for you), but to see this kind of backlash from the whole community is disheartening to me.
I don't see it as particularly surprising. People have waited 10 years for something, and when the chance to get it comes, it's rejected.

I don't know where you are coming from as far as your complaints about the aesthetic goes.
Massive style changes plus an unhealthy heap of visual clutter. To put it simply, stuff was added where emptiness was a good stylistic choice.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 4:18 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 4:17 PM PDT

A. I don't think that the two could co-exist. I think it does the CE multiplayer a service to put it in such a feature rich game. If it had it's own separate MP, it would likely look pretty barebones.

B. I am not saying it surprises me, just that it sucks. It's more of a "this is why we can't have nice things" kind of issue.

C. Are you talking about the extra vegetation in the outdoor levels? I thought that the indoor levels still looked pretty spacey.

I respect your opinion, but I think that many of the people complaining are doing in a way that makes them look hypocritical. And again, I think the whole want-get-whine cycle is annoying.

  • 06.06.2011 4:34 PM PDT


Posted by: sam451
A. I don't think that the two could co-exist. I think it does the CE multiplayer a service to put it in such a feature rich game. If it had it's own separate MP, it would likely look pretty barebones.

Making some not exist is not the same as doing it a service.

Yes, Halo 1 multiplayer is fairly low on object type count. Halo 1 is a mechanically simple game in every possible way, though. That's actually why the individual bits and pieces were able to be made so complex both in and of themselves and their interactions with other pieces; having fewer objects allows for vastly more multidimensional balancing styles between those objects.
If people don't like that approach, then I don't know why they want to play Halo 1's campaign either, since it does the same thing.

C. Are you talking about the extra vegetation in the outdoor levels? I thought that the indoor levels still looked pretty spacey.
I'm talking about the visual design in general. Busy textures. Overcomplicated marine models. And even things like all the new random junk floating about the skybox, giving finite size to what was formerly immeasurably vast.

The clean simplicity is a major binding force to the whole.

I respect your opinion, but I think that many of the people complaining are doing in a way that makes them look hypocritical.
I dunno. It's hard to support your assertion unless you've been tracking what each one of these posters has been saying for the last several months, to ensure that they are or aren't contradicting themselves.

You came into this thread saying that people were arguing for no change and that, when no change came, they complained. The problem is, the community had no such single-minded demand for no change in the first place. A lot of people argued that way, but it was a very divisive issue.

[Edited on 06.06.2011 5:47 PM PDT]

  • 06.06.2011 5:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Tupolev
Posted by: sam451
For the vast majority of people, I think that adding the maps to reach is a better option.

Nobody objects to Reach having those maps. But having them instead of a native Halo 1 online MP? Yeah, a lot of people are unhappy about that.

I don't mind a few dissenting opinions, and your's seems like it has a basis (for you), but to see this kind of backlash from the whole community is disheartening to me.
I don't see it as particularly surprising. People have waited 10 years for something, and when the chance to get it comes, it's rejected.

I don't know where you are coming from as far as your complaints about the aesthetic goes.
Massive style changes plus an unhealthy heap of visual clutter. To put it simply, stuff was added where emptiness was a good stylistic choice.
It's good to see someone else in the community who can think.

My main complaint is what they've done to the MKV armor. It looks like garbage.

  • 06.06.2011 5:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tupolev
Posted by: sam451
For the vast majority of people, I think that adding the maps to reach is a better option.

Nobody objects to Reach having those maps. But having them instead of a native Halo 1 online MP? Yeah, a lot of people are unhappy about that.

I don't mind a few dissenting opinions, and your's seems like it has a basis (for you), but to see this kind of backlash from the whole community is disheartening to me.
I don't see it as particularly surprising. People have waited 10 years for something, and when the chance to get it comes, it's rejected.

I don't know where you are coming from as far as your complaints about the aesthetic goes.
Massive style changes plus an unhealthy heap of visual clutter. To put it simply, stuff was added where emptiness was a good stylistic choice.

YOU.

Are a smart person, win my respect, and took the words right out of my mouth.

  • 06.06.2011 6:02 PM PDT

Look, I understand that you all have your problems with the remake, but it is something that gives a lot of new 360 owners a chance to play a legendary game in a way that they can appreciate, and it gives fans of the old game a fresh version of the game they used to love. Hell, if you like the original aesthetic, you can switch to it with a button press and enjoy four player co-op with the old graphics. Can you really see no positives in this?

  • 06.06.2011 8:46 PM PDT

im coming from the exact same place as the other guy, most of the complaints are basically what he just said. we're mad because we wanted halo CE multiplayer not reach's. if we wanted reaches we'd be enjoying reach which most of us old time fans do not. hell i hate halo 3 and i can barely tolerate reach. the only reason i like reach over halo 3 is hitscan...

  • 06.06.2011 9:11 PM PDT

Posted by: sam451
Look, I understand that you all have your problems with the remake, but it is something that gives a lot of new 360 owners a chance to play a legendary game in a way that they can appreciate, and it gives fans of the old game a fresh version of the game they used to love. Hell, if you like the original aesthetic, you can switch to it with a button press and enjoy four player co-op with the old graphics. Can you really see no positives in this?

honestly i cant, i already have Halo 1 why would i pay another $40 to play the campaign ive already played the hell out of?

  • 06.06.2011 9:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: sam451
A. I don't think that the two could co-exist. I think it does the CE multiplayer a service to put it in such a feature rich game. If it had it's own separate MP, it would likely look pretty barebones.

People want to Play Halo:CE online, including me.
Not Halo:CE maps in Reach.

Im grateful for the online campaign, but as far as the other part goes they might as well not have made them imo.

We can always hope they will remake the multiplayer like they did with the campaign later.

And then we want Halo 2! :)

  • 06.06.2011 9:39 PM PDT

Posted by: MetKiddo
And then we want Halo 2! :)


-blam!- that they'll probably give us halo wars multiplayer...

  • 06.06.2011 9:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: blaze lmtd edtn
Posted by: sam451
Look, I understand that you all have your problems with the remake, but it is something that gives a lot of new 360 owners a chance to play a legendary game in a way that they can appreciate, and it gives fans of the old game a fresh version of the game they used to love. Hell, if you like the original aesthetic, you can switch to it with a button press and enjoy four player co-op with the old graphics. Can you really see no positives in this?

honestly i cant, i already have Halo 1 why would i pay another $40 to play the campaign ive already played the hell out of?
Oh! Oh! I know something you can do! You can not buy the game and to stop -blam!-ing on the forums. Seriously, you don't have to buy the game.

  • 06.06.2011 9:53 PM PDT

If I simply wanted a campaign, I would pop in my copy of Halo CE, both for PC and Xbox, and start playing.

I was looking foward to the multiplayer coming back with changes only to the netcode so it plays better. I can play any map from Halo CE I wanted on Reach, because good Forgers and die-hard Halo CE fans made them to play on. But even them, or Overkill and the people who helped influence the Classic playlist cannot completely replicate the multiplayer gameplay I experienced when I hooked up two consoles together for the first time on January 2002. Nor can XBC, or any other "emulation" of such. It woudl require a company to do it for me.

And this is why I am so disappointed in that it is not the CE multiplayer I was hoping for, but simply maps I could already play and a fancy remastered campaign. I appreciate the effort, but its like being promised $1000, and getting $100. Halo 4 better be good enough to fill the void of two good games.

  • 06.06.2011 9:55 PM PDT

im not going to but the game and no im not going to stop voicing my opinion on the forums... thats what forums are for. people wanted the halo HD remake for the -blam!- multiplayer. ever since the rumors started popping up thats all anyone talked about, i didnt hear a single person say "oh boy i cant wait to play the campaign again for the 100th time." all i heard was "dude i cant -blam!- wait to play halo 1 on xbox live."

  • 06.06.2011 9:56 PM PDT

I agree with everything Tupolev has said. Especially the geometry, and especially the geometry in MP maps. Dear God, I want my SIMPLE geometry.

  • 06.06.2011 10:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Trust me
I agree with everything Tupolev has said. Especially the geometry, and especially the geometry in MP maps. Dear God, I want my SIMPLE geometry.

Haha, that geometry made halo CE into what it was. And just like everyone else here, we all wanted original Halo Combat Evolved multiplayer, but online. I have played campaign to death, know all the ins and outs of it, and sure it'll look cool with new graphics, but that wasnt the main reason why i wanted the game redone. I wanted to play with people who have a copy of Halo CE, not someone who never played the original and bought new maps for Reach.

  • 06.06.2011 10:24 PM PDT
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If I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening, and good nite.

What I noticed from Halo CE to Halo 2 was that Halo 2 was shiny. Then 3 was shinier. Reach was really shiny, but offered a new perspective and a lot of fun.

CE and to a lesser extent ODST are gritty and CE is plain. Simplicity has been thrown to the wind. The CE remake may look new and grand, but I'm just glad that its physics engine will remain the same.

  • 06.06.2011 10:45 PM PDT

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OP u are awesome.. I lol'd forever

average forum user: "OH MAH GAWD IT R JUST A HALO REMAKE NOTHING NEW AT ALLLLLLLLLL!!! HE R HAS WAIRD HELMET I HATE IT I HATE U MICRO$OFT Y U RUIN MA LIEF?????"

I am really looking forward to this remake.. Ever since the rumors started going, And now it blew my expectation outta the water.. Can't wait to see some more Classic Remakes.. Tombstone/Hang Em High looks soo EPIC..

  • 06.06.2011 10:49 PM PDT