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Subject: Halo 4 Enemy theory plus flood origin (so simple just open your eyes)

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
I think johnthethird and Techno Geek should just go make out somewhere and share their idea for the already-explained flood creation while the rest of us just stick to the amazing story Greg Bear(Probably the most accomplished sci-fi writer in history who deserves more respect from these two) has provided us. Thanks.

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sorry but no. Greg Bear just said that they found some spores in bottles floating around in ships, and for some reason thought that they were a petco product. But my theory still intertwines with his.

  • 06.07.2011 12:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: johnthethird
Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
I think johnthethird and Techno Geek should just go make out somewhere and share their idea for the already-explained flood creation while the rest of us just stick to the amazing story Greg Bear(Probably the most accomplished sci-fi writer in history who deserves more respect from these two) has provided us. Thanks.

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sorry but no. Greg Bear just said that they found some spores in bottles floating around in ships, and for some reason thought that they were a petco product. But my theory still intertwines with his.


Your theory is interlinking two different things that are not related, then modifying people's posts to seem to agree with you, then presenting your half witted buffoonery as "proof"

I will send you over a dictionary so you can look up what the word "proof" means - you will be surprised its not the same as "opinion"

[Edited on 06.07.2011 12:42 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2011 12:41 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: johnthethird

But there is one thing that could have changed this. What if the flood was created supernatural. Think of it, the flood just magically apear in this galaxy and start destroying flood settlements with ease. Who else would be responsible but the goddess of the Cthulhu Mythos Shub-Niggurath and her thousand young?


The second I read this part, I stopped reading. If anything the Halo universe has steered clear of religions and deities, and if there are religions, then they are proven ludicrous and false.

I'm more willing to accept the Halo: Cryptum theory a thousand times over than the flood "just magically apear in this galaxy"(your quote) from a goddess.

At least Greg Bear explains things.

This theory will be destroyed when the forerunner trilogy is finished.

  • 06.09.2011 2:29 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: johnthethird
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The flood was created by the Precursors to kill the forerunners
no they were not this is also a theory but mine is supported by more evidence


I suggest you read the last page of Cryptum...

  • 06.09.2011 2:35 PM PDT

Yeah I was just on The Flood and it's constantly evolving.*sniger*

[Edited on 06.09.2011 2:39 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 2:39 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

I think the Flood is some sort of Biological AI that got out of hand and went rampant.

  • 06.09.2011 2:40 PM PDT

johnthethird:

Are you 10 years old? Your theory is terrible, has no logical support other than a picture, and your proofs are laughable.

Please stop and listen to what other people are saying.

  • 06.09.2011 4:12 PM PDT

first who the -blam- greg bear and what was his idea and second where did u get your fact i want to rread more about this ur idea can make seen but i want to see the facts

  • 06.09.2011 4:41 PM PDT
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Imagine a triangle. It's perfect, but a little plain. You take a chisel, and carve a small decorative symbol into it to make it a little more interesting. People like it, but it could use a little more.

So you then take a sledgehammer..


Posted by: johnthethird

What did I just read?

  • 06.09.2011 4:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: dboy5150
first who the -blam- greg bear and what was his idea and second where did u get your fact i want to rread more about this ur idea can make seen but i want to see the facts


Greg Bear wrote the Halo novel, Halo: Cryptum. It's a trilogy of books about the forerunners (creators of halo).

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The Flood are believed to have arrived in the Milky Way galaxy from one of the Magellanic Clouds, two small satellite galaxies near the Milky Way, circa 110,000 BCE. They were first discovered by ancient humans near the edges of the Milky Way, aboard automated vessels of unknown origin. These vessels, which were found crashed on both inhabited and deserted planets, contained millions of glass cylinders filled with a fine desiccated powder, which were inert, relatively simple short-chain organic molecules of unknown purpose.
Humanity studied the material and deemed it to be harmless, but noted that it had psychotropic effects on lower animals. Small dosages were administered to Pheru, popular domestic animals among humans and San'Shyuum, and resulted in more docile behavior. Unbeknownst to the humans or San'Shyuum at the time, the powder was altering the genetic code of the Pheru, manifesting as improved behavior while slowly changing other aspects of their genome.
After several centuries, more disturbing changes appeared. Pheru treated with the powder began exhibiting furry growths and fleshy protrusions, which other Pheru were compelled to consume. Shortly afterward, the Pheru began suffering widespread abortions and genetic deformities, and many were euthanized or released into the wild. Soon afterward, the Humans and San'Shyuum who had been in the presence of the altered Pheru began to exhibit some of the symptoms of the powder-induced "disease."
Affected on a psychological level by the strange illness, infected victims began to consume the sick Pheru, and parts that were discarded also became vectors for the disease. The afflicted then moved onto cannibalism and sacrifice of the uninfected. The infected Humans and San'Shyuum proceeded to spread the disease into other systems, which furthered the scope of the Flood outbreak.
At this point, the Flood infestation, which had previously been predominantly a mind and behavior-altering affliction with only relatively minor physical changes, began to reshape its victims into a variety of forms designed to gather victims, engage in combat, and to rapidly consume useful biomass and other resources. The growing outbreak quickly led to a conflict between humans and the Flood.
It was during this time that the humans discovered a cure for the Flood, and managed to wipe it out while the infection was still comparatively minor. The remaining Flood-carrying ships escaped the galaxy, and the Flood was never to be seen again until the incident at G617 g1. During the interim, humanity (who was then at war with the Forerunners) destroyed all of the original carrier vessels that they had discovered. In addition, no trace of the Flood remained among the Pheru, humans or San'Shyuum.
Because of the lack of evidence, most Forerunners were unaware of the existence or true nature of the Flood, and many dismissed it as a simple excuse for humanity's aggressive expansion. However, several high-ranking Forerunners were fully informed of the threat, and in secret began developing countermeasures should the Flood ever return.

  • 06.10.2011 10:19 AM PDT
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John117 is Galactus
Galactus is God

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Precursor

The precursors were able to travel to other galaxies, b/c of how advanced they were. They used the flood as a fail-safe against the forerunners. Now you do bring a valid point, i up till now always thought they created them but since you've posted this i wanted to point out that the precursors probably traveled to them and found them and thought "hey.. if anyone tried to kill us.. we could use these lil bastards".

  • 06.10.2011 10:25 AM PDT

Greg bear said the infection started from the bottles or whatever.

He never said how the spores got their in the first place. They didnt just appear, something probably put them there knowing full well what they would become.

Maybe something from a different galaxy.

I'm willing to bet that full fleged flood forms couldn't survive travel between one galaxy to the next, so perhaps the spores were used because that was all that could survive.

Also notice how the official halo 4 description says "universe", not "galaxy".

[Edited on 06.10.2011 12:14 PM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 12:12 PM PDT
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John117 is Galactus
Galactus is God

Precursors were believe to be able to travel to other galaxies.. you have every race in your mind except for the precursors, you can't forget them. They will play a role somewhere, im sure.

  • 06.10.2011 12:15 PM PDT
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Get Toasted!

When the Forerunners eradicated the Precursors during their war the Precursors had probably already created the Flood to use as a last resort kind of like the Halos. (they get to know that even though they lost their enemies are still screwed) They Also probably sent the transports to some outer-galactic area so that when the time was right the ships would automatically fly themselves to a location to release the Flood. Some questions that support this are one: How did the organisms get into the ships and the cylinders? Two: Who could create ships that could just waste away that long? ((((((SPOILERS)))))) Also in the end of Cryptumn the Precursor said that their answer is at hand. (as in the final offensive has begun) I guess until all the Halo games have come out, all the books have been read, and all the secrets unlocked, we will never know, and it may be important that we don't.

  • 07.07.2011 6:12 PM PDT

"The end begins, with chaos!"

Mark my words, it'll most likely be a return of the Forerunner or some form.

  • 07.09.2011 8:22 PM PDT

>=D Krush Newbs

idk if its been said, but i was upstairs eating, and i thought what about environment? water, waves, sun, darkness, animals i think it would be cool if MC was battling this unknown enemy and the enviorment....

just a thought, i'd love to hear others.

i'll make another thread, maybe post some details, so we don't get off topic, sorry guys.

[Edited on 08.06.2011 7:30 PM PDT]

  • 08.06.2011 7:25 PM PDT

johnthethird

Seriously is this guy mentally stable? in one post he's saying he has no actual proof for his crap idea then tell's another poster that that he doesn't like his explanation adn his own has more proof.

The flood are a parasitic species found by ancient humanity in the form of a white powder on alien ships that was found to have a calming effect on there pets a specie's called pheru.
slowly using this powder caused growths mutations still births etc and seeing as some ppl enjoyed eating these pets they became infected two!!!The birth of the flood we all know and love!!! i've got a couple theroies on the flood and the prisoneretc but halo seems to be a very retcon heavy franchise now so im not entirely sure if my ideas have any validaty

also CRYPTUM is canon so just beacause you dont like it\haven't read it doesnt change that fact.

  • 08.07.2011 4:21 AM PDT

And you doubted me?

Johnthethird

Microsoft does not own any rights to Lovecraft, therefore your 'theory' is proven wrong just by the fact you are mentally retarded

  • 08.07.2011 4:53 AM PDT
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Enjoy what you have and live on.

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OP, your theory is wrong, and it has no logical evidence to back it up. It has to be hard source to prove it.

And, yes, it was Precursors who created the Flood as bioweapon to destroy Forerunners. It doesn't matter how you don't like Greg Bear, Cryptum is canon and you will need to read that book. That is so hard to understand?

And, Ancient humans found a ancient ship (Precursor) with Flood in powdery status and they experimented it on prophets and humans pets, making it to more behaved and domestically tamed until it started to mutate, thus giving birth of Flood. It infected countless hosts and overtaken the worlds.



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  • 08.07.2011 4:59 AM PDT

I don't agree with the weird lovecraft thing theory but i hate the story Greg bear made with the whole ancient human gets devolved by forerunner but is made heir at their demise thing and the flood in a bottle completly contradicts the halo 3 terminals and the other books

I just pretend the halo cryptum was never wrote I like bungies horror from the edge of the universe idea

  • 08.12.2011 4:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: flobbernogginr
I don't agree with the weird lovecraft thing theory but i hate the story Greg bear made with the whole ancient human gets devolved by forerunner but is made heir at their demise thing and the flood in a bottle completly contradicts the halo 3 terminals and the other books

I just pretend the halo cryptum was never wrote I like bungies horror from the edge of the universe idea


Of course Greg Bear's story doesn't make sense right now, we've only read 1/3 of it. We don't know why they gave us the Mantle yet. And explain how the Flood being in a container contradicts the Terminals.

And you can't pretend Cryptum was never written if you want to talk about this stuff, otherwise leave.

  • 08.12.2011 4:17 PM PDT

Super Halo Fan & Graphics Designer.

I think the forerunners will return somehow, But i doubt there will ever be Precursors in a Halo game since in Halo: Cryptum *SPOILER* you learn that there was one precursor left and even that was still thousands of years ago.

[Edited on 08.12.2011 4:29 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2011 4:28 PM PDT

Causing mischief from the shadows

OP don't try to bring scientific biological reasoning into the canon for a sci-fi video game. When people who make games want to go down any story related road they can justify what ever they want 'because video games'.

  • 08.12.2011 4:52 PM PDT

Straight Edge.


Posted by: Damouse007
johnthethird:

Are you 10 years old? Your theory is terrible, has no logical support other than a picture, and your proofs are laughable.

Please stop and listen to what other people are saying.

  • 08.12.2011 8:24 PM PDT

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