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Subject: The Flood (I. redividus)

some recent posts in these forums have raised a few questions, i hope to get an answer to:

(A) someone posted that the Forerunners KNEW about humanity and the halos were programmed in a way that earth would be spared (and was, as it seems).

if so, then
1.) why didn't the FR retreat to earth before the halos were fired?

2.) why would the FR take that risk? (first building a super weapon that kills all sentient live, including the own species, as the last "line of defence" and then program it to let a system or two survive, due to some monkeys living there.

3.) why wouldn't 343 tell the reclaimer about this -> UNSC evacuates as many systems as possible, fires the halos and sends the covenant on it's great journey. (of course, that's due to gameplay, or because the games were published before that novel came out, so the real question actually is: what idiot writes such idiocy down in a book and who at bungie didn't have that guy fired/his license revoked when reading this -blam!-)


(B) i tried to find an answer for the above on halo nations, however, that just raised more questions, in the first paragraph:
humans made contact with the flood BEFORE the forerunners did? WTF? now we weren't only around as monkeys when the FR ruled the galaxy, but we were here before them? and hundreds of thousands years later, our tech still can't compare to theirs?
are we that stupid?

so:
1.) if someone feels the need to post a short recap on human-forerunner relations: now would be the time.

2.) the article also mentions that the flood at first couldn't infect humans, but human pets (from the prophets home world - again: we were FTL capable when the FR were still around? what happened?)

3.) the article mentions the flood being found as a powder, in containers. who the hell put it there, and why?

[Edited on 06.08.2011 5:03 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 4:59 AM PDT

1: Earth was in range if Evolutions is to be taken as connon, as instalation 04 is in range in CE (If I remember right).

2: If there came a time when their technology was needed again, it would be there. Ready to be reused.

3: Why would 343 tell the reclaimer? He should know his task as 343 see's thing, so why go into detail about things that he should already know?

Thats my person answers at least.

  • 06.08.2011 5:22 AM PDT

The humans used to have a galactic empire that rivaled the Forerunners in every aspect, including technology. Ancient Man unfortunately came across a highly primitive strain of the Flood (albeit still extremely dangerous) and, while sacrificing a third of their population, managed to hold it off. This would appear to be a primitive, lack-of-Gravemind, "space zombie" virus kind of Flood.

But as the Flood (as we called it, eventually giving it the name) pushed us off of our worlds, we were forced into Forerunner territory. Now, I would wager the humans and Forerunners generally ignored each other for each others' sake (they didn't really like each other from the get go, but thats another story), so the Forerunners found this sudden rapid movement into their territory as an act of war.

So we were fighting two wars: the Flood and the Forerunners, who countered us swiftly. After years of harsh fighting--and truly impressive resilliance on the human side--we lost against the Forerunners, they obliterated our culture (think: the babysitter ruins) and de-evolved us back to the stone age on earth, so we have no knowledge of the event.

Works Cited: Halo Cryptum

  • 06.08.2011 5:46 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The humans used to have a galactic empire that rivaled the Forerunners in every aspect, including technology. Ancient Man unfortunately came across a highly primitive strain of the Flood (albeit still extremely dangerous) and, while sacrificing a third of their population, managed to hold it off. This would appear to be a primitive, lack-of-Gravemind, "space zombie" virus kind of Flood.

But as the Flood (as we called it, eventually giving it the name) pushed us off of our worlds, we were forced into Forerunner territory. Now, I would wager the humans and Forerunners generally ignored each other for each others' sake (they didn't really like each other from the get go, but thats another story), so the Forerunners found this sudden rapid movement into their territory as an act of war.

So we were fighting two wars: the Flood and the Forerunners, who countered us swiftly. After years of harsh fighting--and truly impressive resilliance on the human side--we lost against the Forerunners, they obliterated our culture (think: the babysitter ruins) and de-evolved us back to the stone age on earth, so we have no knowledge of the event.

Works Cited: Halo Cryptum


Master Chief confronting his destiny in Halo 4 might be something about those ancient Humans.

I hope so.

  • 06.08.2011 5:54 AM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The humans used to have a galactic empire that rivaled the Forerunners in every aspect, including technology. Ancient Man unfortunately came across a highly primitive strain of the Flood (albeit still extremely dangerous) and, while sacrificing a third of their population, managed to hold it off. This would appear to be a primitive, lack-of-Gravemind, "space zombie" virus kind of Flood.

But as the Flood (as we called it, eventually giving it the name) pushed us off of our worlds, we were forced into Forerunner territory. Now, I would wager the humans and Forerunners generally ignored each other for each others' sake (they didn't really like each other from the get go, but thats another story), so the Forerunners found this sudden rapid movement into their territory as an act of war.

So we were fighting two wars: the Flood and the Forerunners, who countered us swiftly. After years of harsh fighting--and truly impressive resilliance on the human side--we lost against the Forerunners, they obliterated our culture (think: the babysitter ruins) and de-evolved us back to the stone age on earth, so we have no knowledge of the event.

Works Cited: Halo Cryptum


Master Chief confronting his destiny in Halo 4 might be something about those ancient Humans.

I hope so.


The Precursors, The Humans, the Forerunnser and

The Flood.

The top three races I feel was the intended order for the inheritors of the Mantle. I believe now, since the Foreunners' arrogance changed all that, they will thusly have to bestow the Mantle upon us--specifically the Chief, who may be the first in line of "mutated" humans like the Forerunners--to absolve them their sins. The 4th race, the Flood, is their punishment.

Until then, the Gravemind/Prisoner will forever remain a monument to all of their sins.

I think it is safe to say that the Precursors will start to make a more obvious appearance now.

  • 06.08.2011 6:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The humans used to have a galactic empire that rivaled the Forerunners in every aspect, including technology. Ancient Man unfortunately came across a highly primitive strain of the Flood (albeit still extremely dangerous) and, while sacrificing a third of their population, managed to hold it off. This would appear to be a primitive, lack-of-Gravemind, "space zombie" virus kind of Flood.

But as the Flood (as we called it, eventually giving it the name) pushed us off of our worlds, we were forced into Forerunner territory. Now, I would wager the humans and Forerunners generally ignored each other for each others' sake (they didn't really like each other from the get go, but thats another story), so the Forerunners found this sudden rapid movement into their territory as an act of war.

So we were fighting two wars: the Flood and the Forerunners, who countered us swiftly. After years of harsh fighting--and truly impressive resilliance on the human side--we lost against the Forerunners, they obliterated our culture (think: the babysitter ruins) and de-evolved us back to the stone age on earth, so we have no knowledge of the event.

Works Cited: Halo Cryptum


Master Chief confronting his destiny in Halo 4 might be something about those ancient Humans.

I hope so.


The Precursors, The Humans, the Forerunnser and

The Flood.

The top three races I feel was the intended order for the inheritors of the Mantle. I believe now, since the Foreunners' arrogance changed all that, they will thusly have to bestow the Mantle upon us--specifically the Chief, who may be the first in line of "mutated" humans like the Forerunners--to absolve them their sins. The 4th race, the Flood, is their punishment.

Until then, the Gravemind/Prisoner will forever remain a monument to all of their sins.

I think it is safe to say that the Precursors will start to make a more obvious appearance now.


No doubt the Precursors will be more important,they are the only known species in Halo who might have the power to destroy the universe.

Or they could be enemies of the Precursors
Or their creations
Or the timeless one
...

Oh boy so many possibilities

  • 06.08.2011 6:12 AM PDT

okay, but then why are the humans "reclaimers", if we're not "relatives" of the forerunners, but were their enemies?

  • 06.08.2011 6:14 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The humans used to have a galactic empire that rivaled the Forerunners in every aspect, including technology. Ancient Man unfortunately came across a highly primitive strain of the Flood (albeit still extremely dangerous) and, while sacrificing a third of their population, managed to hold it off. This would appear to be a primitive, lack-of-Gravemind, "space zombie" virus kind of Flood.

But as the Flood (as we called it, eventually giving it the name) pushed us off of our worlds, we were forced into Forerunner territory. Now, I would wager the humans and Forerunners generally ignored each other for each others' sake (they didn't really like each other from the get go, but thats another story), so the Forerunners found this sudden rapid movement into their territory as an act of war.

So we were fighting two wars: the Flood and the Forerunners, who countered us swiftly. After years of harsh fighting--and truly impressive resilliance on the human side--we lost against the Forerunners, they obliterated our culture (think: the babysitter ruins) and de-evolved us back to the stone age on earth, so we have no knowledge of the event.

Works Cited: Halo Cryptum


Master Chief confronting his destiny in Halo 4 might be something about those ancient Humans.

I hope so.


The Precursors, The Humans, the Forerunnser and

The Flood.

The top three races I feel was the intended order for the inheritors of the Mantle. I believe now, since the Foreunners' arrogance changed all that, they will thusly have to bestow the Mantle upon us--specifically the Chief, who may be the first in line of "mutated" humans like the Forerunners--to absolve them their sins. The 4th race, the Flood, is their punishment.

Until then, the Gravemind/Prisoner will forever remain a monument to all of their sins.

I think it is safe to say that the Precursors will start to make a more obvious appearance now.


No doubt the Precursors will be more important,they are the only known species in Halo who might have the power to destroy the universe.

Or they could be enemies of the Precursors
Or their creations
Or the timeless one
...

Oh boy so many possibilities


If a Precursor is the main villain, it'd be just that: a, singular, Precursor. The rest of them are gone, likely on the Great Journey, and as a race they seemed far too benevolent to be an evil race. The Prisoner seems to be the only one who would be a worthy villain. And again if those

>.>

<.<

...leaks, were real, then the Flood is in fact the primary enemy, further supporting the already 95% likelyhood the Prisoner is the Graveminde.

  • 06.08.2011 6:16 AM PDT


Posted by: raindoc
okay, but then why are the humans "reclaimers", if we're not "relatives" of the forerunners, but were their enemies?


You'll truly need to readf Cryptum, elsewise we'll be discussing this all day (no joke).

But I'll answer this. We are related, but unlike the original interpretation, being like father and son, we are more like siblings. Brother and sister if you will.

The Precusor--a hilariously advanced race that ascended to a higher state of being--created the Forerunners and )as some believe) humanity in their image (sounds like God doesn't it?)

Natural, un-mutated Forerunners seem to be extraordinarily similar in appearance to humans, with the only variation being hair and skin colors, such as blue hair.

So imagine it as two rival siblings bickering while the father sits on the high armchair watching his kids fight over stupid things, followed by the father lulzing every now and then at his kids' ignorance. At least, thats the mental image I got from it.

  • 06.08.2011 6:22 AM PDT

thanks or all your time guys.
the one thing that got me hooked to halo was a more complex story/universe than your average game gets.
as a star wars fan i appreciated that, when i bought my first console at the age of 26 - only to play halo 3.

however, i tried reading the fall of reach, but had to quit. it is the first book i couldn't finish because it was so badly written - but that might have been just the german translation.
i promise to give it another try, in english. or just start with that forerunner trilogy (i had no idea, heard about it the first time now)

anyways, thanks for your time!

  • 06.08.2011 6:35 AM PDT

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You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Read Cryptum, not a wiki article.

  • 06.08.2011 6:49 AM PDT


Posted by: raindoc
thanks or all your time guys.
the one thing that got me hooked to halo was a more complex story/universe than your average game gets.
as a star wars fan i appreciated that, when i bought my first console at the age of 26 - only to play halo 3.

however, i tried reading the fall of reach, but had to quit. it is the first book i couldn't finish because it was so badly written - but that might have been just the german translation.
i promise to give it another try, in english. or just start with that forerunner trilogy (i had no idea, heard about it the first time now)

anyways, thanks for your time!


Must've been the German translation. I know a little German myself, and I know direct translations from English to German don't end up working out so well. Or for any language really.

Try it in English, its better.

  • 06.08.2011 7:07 AM PDT

theres going to be an all out war between the humans tho covies the orai the wraith and the anchients............. tbh i have no idea who they are going to fight

  • 06.08.2011 7:09 AM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Must've been the German translation. I know a little German myself, and I know direct translations from English to German don't end up working out so well. Or for any language really.

Try it in English, its better.


scifi translations usually suck. 1st because usually not the top tier translators work on them, 2nd the translators usually have no background info.
this is especialy nauseating in games, which seem to end up in the arms of the bottom tier translators. for instance, ODST was also called ODST in german, but the squad served in a unit called OAST - Orbital-Absprung-Sturmtruppen. kinda kills the experience.
best in-game translation mistake EVER: crysis 2 multiplayer.
they must have used a botanical dictionary for that one. they translated the word "pod" as "Schote" (which refers to a form of vegetable/fruit like a chili, or bellpepper) - so in multiplayer you weren't supposed to secure the alien drop-pod, but the alien bellpepper.
one should think someone would notice a mistake like that pre-release, especially if the dev is based in -blam!- germany.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 7:27 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 7:24 AM PDT
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I haven't read Cryptum, so forgive my ignorance, but if Precursors created Forerunners and Humans, and both species were related, why then are we related to all the life on Earth? If we originate from someplace other than Earth, how are we so closely related to chimpanzees?

I've heard that the Forerunners "devolved" us, which is an attempt to explain the various extinct human species (H. habilis, H. erectus, H. heidelbergensis, H. floresiensis, H. neanderthalensis, etc), although it doesn't seem to do a good job.

  • 06.08.2011 11:11 AM PDT

I'm liking this thread a lot.. many different possiblities. Can't wait to see how the story unfolds.

  • 06.08.2011 11:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: SubjectNameHere
I haven't read Cryptum, so forgive my ignorance, but if Precursors created Forerunners and Humans, and both species were related, why then are we related to all the life on Earth? If we originate from someplace other than Earth, how are we so closely related to chimpanzees?

I've heard that the Forerunners "devolved" us, which is an attempt to explain the various extinct human species (H. habilis, H. erectus, H. heidelbergensis, H. floresiensis, H. neanderthalensis, etc), although it doesn't seem to do a good job.


You got it right :)

As for your question,i don't know.

  • 06.08.2011 11:22 AM PDT

Posted by: SubjectNameHere
I haven't read Cryptum, so forgive my ignorance, but if Precursors created Forerunners and Humans, and both species were related, why then are we related to all the life on Earth? If we originate from someplace other than Earth, how are we so closely related to chimpanzees?


intelligent design ;)

  • 06.08.2011 11:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: raindoc
Posted by: SubjectNameHere
I haven't read Cryptum, so forgive my ignorance, but if Precursors created Forerunners and Humans, and both species were related, why then are we related to all the life on Earth? If we originate from someplace other than Earth, how are we so closely related to chimpanzees?


intelligent design ;)


What a cop out lol. Are you saying that the Precursors purposely fashioned our DNA and morphology for us to look like apes? And when did they do this on the evolutionary path. Did they create the Australopithecines, or just those species of the -blam!- genus? It's seems so lazy, throwing human evolution out the window like that.

  • 06.08.2011 4:13 PM PDT