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Subject: Wait?? How was there snow on the ship?

On the Halo 4 trailer you see snow in parts of the ship. It certainly wasn't there at the end of Halo 3, it cannot snow in space!!

  • 06.08.2011 8:31 AM PDT

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Space is very cold. It's probably frozen liquid and coolant from the wreckage.

  • 06.08.2011 8:36 AM PDT

Wow, just wow!

They are in the cryo section. Cryo is the use of extremely low temperature substances. Such low temperatures would cause the atmosphere in the remainder of the ship to condense and then freeze. Voila! Snow.

And the ship should have atmosphere. Ships can loose parts and keep other areas pressurized. Its in a lot of the books.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 8:37 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 8:36 AM PDT
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Since the ship pretty much got wrecked, there should be some cryo tubes broken. The frost would stay within the artificial gravity(?) of the ship until it got damaged by the giant sucking mouth of the planet.

  • 06.08.2011 9:00 AM PDT

The others have already explained literally why its there; though I think it was put there to indicate that its been a VERY long time since Halo 3.

  • 06.08.2011 9:20 AM PDT

First I would like to point out that there is no temperature in space. Second, the vacuum would turn snow to steam.

Therefore, this must be an oversight, as it is completely impossible.

  • 06.08.2011 9:52 AM PDT

Actually in space it is very cold.

  • 06.08.2011 9:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Pyrotrain
They are in the cryo section. Cryo is the use of extremely low temperature substances. Such low temperatures would cause the atmosphere in the remainder of the ship to condense and then freeze. Voila! Snow.

And the ship should have atmosphere. Ships can loose parts and keep other areas pressurized. Its in a lot of the books.


Maybe, but then again they have an AI/computer system which seals the ship when a hull breach happens. With the Forward Unto Dawn, it was cut in half without and AI in.

  • 06.08.2011 10:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: DPSniper
Actually in space it is very cold.


no...

No...

NO...!!!

Think what does temperature require that space lacks?

  • 06.08.2011 10:03 AM PDT

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*sigh

It's cold in space. Frost doesn't have to come from puffy clouds.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 10:08 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 10:07 AM PDT


Posted by: Terminus

Posted by: DPSniper
Actually in space it is very cold.


no...

No...

NO...!!!

Think what does temperature require that space lacks?


not sure if serious....

  • 06.08.2011 10:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: dr spartan32

Posted by: wu haoxuan
It's cold in space. Frost doesn't have to come from clouds.
*sigh*

A common misconception, space isn't cold nor warm, it functions as an insulator. Warmth is defined as the momentum of molecules, which a vacuum, per definition, lacks.


A common misconception is that space is completely devoid of matter. It's actually not a pure vacuum. Besides, you're forgetting about radiation. The Cosmic Microwave Background gives the "vacuum" of space an ambient temperature of about 3 kelvin.

Yeah, it's hard to believe so many science fiction fans are still under the delusion that space is cold.

You need to read some real books. You are wrong about this. Vacuum is very cold.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 10:14 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 10:12 AM PDT


Posted by: the n00b pwner
First I would like to point out that there is no temperature in space. Second, the vacuum would turn snow to steam.

Therefore, this must be an oversight, as it is completely impossible.


Space itself does not have a temperature, but the lack of a heat source means you would freeze. If you are near a heat source, say the sun, you will not freeze...

I also don't see why snow would turn to steam as they are in a open space environment (ships blown up) and there is technically no heat...

  • 06.08.2011 10:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: VXG spartan92380

Posted by: the n00b pwner
First I would like to point out that there is no temperature in space. Second, the vacuum would turn snow to steam.

Therefore, this must be an oversight, as it is completely impossible.


Space itself does not have a temperature, but the lack of a heat source means you would freeze. If you are near a heat source, say the sun, you will not freeze...

I also don't see why snow would turn to steam as they are in a open space environment (ships blown up) and there is technically no heat...


The frost wouldn't boil off necessarily. Ever hear of a comet? They're basically dirty snowballs. The ice only boils off when they get close enough to the Sun.

  • 06.08.2011 10:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: dr spartan32
Another common misconception is that space is completely devoid of matter. It's actually not a pure vacuum.[/quote]I am well aware, but let me remind you that even in our outer exosphere, there is less particle density that we can accomplish in our most advanced laboratories, for all experimental intents and purposes, the vacuum can be considered to be perfect. Besides, you're forgetting about radiation. The Cosmic Microwave Background gives the "vacuum" of space an ambient temperature of about 3 kelvin.Yes technically, but the energy density is so low we can practically ignore the zeroth law of Thermodynamics.


Edit: Forgive my grammar (and scientific language), not a native English speaker.


Ignore the Zeroth Law? Yeah I suppose if we ignore the definition of temperature we can say space has no temperature. Seems tautological though, no?

I'm sorry but the CMB serves as the standard of temperature for outer space. You just have to learn to think of it in a more general sense than just molecular jiggling.

  • 06.08.2011 10:26 AM PDT


Posted by: wu haoxuan

Posted by: VXG spartan92380

Posted by: the n00b pwner
First I would like to point out that there is no temperature in space. Second, the vacuum would turn snow to steam.

Therefore, this must be an oversight, as it is completely impossible.


Space itself does not have a temperature, but the lack of a heat source means you would freeze. If you are near a heat source, say the sun, you will not freeze...

I also don't see why snow would turn to steam as they are in a open space environment (ships blown up) and there is technically no heat...


The frost wouldn't boil off necessarily. Ever hear of a comet? They're basically dirty snowballs. The ice only boils off when they get close enough to the Sun.


I was saying that frost and snow is possible...

  • 06.08.2011 10:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: dr spartan32

Posted by: wu haoxuan

Posted by: VXG spartan92380

Posted by: the n00b pwner
First I would like to point out that there is no temperature in space. Second, the vacuum would turn snow to steam.

Therefore, this must be an oversight, as it is completely impossible.


Space itself does not have a temperature, but the lack of a heat source means you would freeze. If you are near a heat source, say the sun, you will not freeze...

I also don't see why snow would turn to steam as they are in a open space environment (ships blown up) and there is technically no heat...


The frost wouldn't boil off necessarily. Ever hear of a comet? They're basically dirty snowballs. The ice only boils off when they get close enough to the Sun.
A simple google search revealed an article that can explain it better than I can.


Yeah and apparently you didn't read it. If you did, you'd realize they're talking about liquid water. The molecules already have enough energy to evaoporate into vacuum. In an ice crystal that's not necessarily the case.

Also, from the same article here is a quote:

Space is very, very cold, only a few degrees above absolute zero.

  • 06.08.2011 10:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: wu haoxuan

Posted by: dr spartan32

Posted by: wu haoxuan

Posted by: VXG spartan92380

Posted by: the n00b pwner
First I would like to point out that there is no temperature in space. Second, the vacuum would turn snow to steam.

Therefore, this must be an oversight, as it is completely impossible.


Space itself does not have a temperature, but the lack of a heat source means you would freeze. If you are near a heat source, say the sun, you will not freeze...

I also don't see why snow would turn to steam as they are in a open space environment (ships blown up) and there is technically no heat...


The frost wouldn't boil off necessarily. Ever hear of a comet? They're basically dirty snowballs. The ice only boils off when they get close enough to the Sun.
A simple google search revealed an article that can explain it better than I can.


Yeah and apparently you didn't read it. If you did, you'd realize they're talking about liquid water. The molecules already have enough energy to evaoporate into vacuum. In an ice crystal that's not necessarily the case.

Also, from the same article here is a quote:

Space is very, very cold, only a few degrees above absolute zero.
you're both wrong, the temperature of the cosmic background radiation is indeed a few kelvin, but you won't notice any effect because of the extremely low density

  • 06.08.2011 10:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: dr spartan32

Posted by: wu haoxuan

Posted by: dr spartan32
Another common misconception is that space is completely devoid of matter. It's actually not a pure vacuum.[/quote]I am well aware, but let me remind you that even in our outer exosphere, there is less particle density that we can accomplish in our most advanced laboratories, for all experimental intents and purposes, the vacuum can be considered to be perfect. Besides, you're forgetting about radiation. The Cosmic Microwave Background gives the "vacuum" of space an ambient temperature of about 3 kelvin.Yes technically, but the energy density is so low we can practically ignore the zeroth law of Thermodynamics.


Edit: Forgive my grammar (and scientific language), not a native English speaker.


Ignore the Zeroth Law? Yeah I suppose if we ignore the definition of temperature we can say space has no temperature. Seems tautological though, no?

I'm sorry but the CMB serves as the standard of temperature for outer space. You just have to learn to think of it in a more general sense than just molecular jiggling.
Photons don't reach an equilibrium with the surface they hit like fermions do (or the density is too low to have a noticeably effect, I don't know actually), ever wonder why the space shuttle doesn't freeze over and actually how overheating is a big problem? Here is an interesting site I would recommend to any science fiction fan


You could also spend a few years studying/teaching physics at the university, like I did. And to say objects don't come into thermal equilibrium with a radiation bath is just wrong.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 10:36 AM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 10:36 AM PDT

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