Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Shouldn't Cortana be dead?
  • Subject: Shouldn't Cortana be dead?
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2
Subject: Shouldn't Cortana be dead?

Seriously, I am confused as hell right now. She went rampant at the end of Halo Legends didn't she? Not to mention the damage caused to her construct from the Gravemind was atrocious. And there is o way in hell she could've meta-stabilized in such a short time. So please guys, a little help would be nice.

  • 06.08.2011 1:06 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

AIs do not "die" the way you are saying. Look at Julianna for example of an AI operating well whilst rampant, or even Mendicant Bias.

  • 06.08.2011 1:08 PM PDT

Friends before pixels.

We don't know if it was a short time.

It could have been 100 years. It could have been 5 years, it could have been 100,000 years. We don't know yet.

  • 06.08.2011 1:08 PM PDT

Oh hey there. I didnt see you come in ;) Well I am Luke =D Fun guy. I like long walks on the beach and halo reach. Oh and talk to me about a sweet clan!

she was factory restored. All better now!

  • 06.08.2011 1:09 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

No UNSC delete AIs after 7 years.

As for how long they can function (human AIs that is) we have no idea.

  • 06.08.2011 1:09 PM PDT

*Sigh* Look, the fact that Juliana survived while rampant was a rare occurence. If you'll recall one of Cortana's conversations with Dr. Halsey you'll note that Halsey mentions that rampancyis statistically more likely to happen to an AI like Cortana than not. It is also noted that rampancy is more likely than not to result in the "death" of said rampant AI. So...yeah, kinda confused on how she could be alive. Plus, Juliana was never confirmed rampant in the incident that took place at the Rubble in the book. Mendicant Bias himself took 100,00 years to meta-stabilize and John's life support couldn't last for that long. The ships power would run out and his suit would run out (of course, he would be dead before it's power were to fail due to power drainage). And, to reply to some of your other comments, AI's have a 7 maximum "life time" but can "die" earlier than that due to damage to their constructs and excessive amounts of data.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 1:16 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 1:14 PM PDT

Actually, Juliana would be considered rampant to the UNSC, she was older then 7 years.

Halopedia has several ways listed to prolong rampancy, such as what Loki and Sif(I think that was their names?) did on Harvest.

Also, I believe Cortana was metastable shortly after John recovered her, being forced into rampancy by the gravemind and recovering. In orgins she was dealing with processing ALL the forerunner data, which could explain her 'flickerings'.

Edit: Besides, the UNSC has never let a smart AI go past seven years, so could they honestly know exactly what would happen?

[Edited on 06.08.2011 1:23 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 1:22 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe

Rampant=/=dead. Rampant=crazy, or borderline insane. And since we don't know exactly how long the chief has been in the cryotube, she may or may not be crazy. For all we know he could have been in there for less than a month. or even 2 hours.

we're just gonna have to wait and see.

  • 06.08.2011 1:25 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

UWG Great group, you should check it out.

BungieHUB


Posted by: a casual banana
We don't know if it was a short time.

It could have been 100 years. It could have been 5 years, it could have been 100,000 years. We don't know yet.
This guy's right, and Halo Legends isn't even cannon.

  • 06.08.2011 1:25 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: The Highwayman48

Posted by: a casual banana
We don't know if it was a short time.

It could have been 100 years. It could have been 5 years, it could have been 100,000 years. We don't know yet.
This guy's right, and Halo Legends isn't even cannon.


Legends (albeit Odd One Out) IS canon.

  • 06.08.2011 1:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Actually, Juliana would be considered rampant to the UNSC, she was older then 7 years.

Halopedia has several ways listed to prolong rampancy, such as what Loki and Sif(I think that was their names?) did on Harvest.

Also, I believe Cortana was metastable shortly after John recovered her, being forced into rampancy by the gravemind and recovering. In orgins she was dealing with processing ALL the forerunner data, which could explain her 'flickerings'.

Edit: Besides, the UNSC has never let a smart AI go past seven years, so could they honestly know exactly what would happen?

It's Loki and Mac bud. Anyways, Cortana couldn't what those two did due to the fact that there was no other Ai to switch with. Meta-stabilization takes a LONG time, Mendicant Bias took a 100,000 years. Not to mention that all that data takes a long time to process and even so it would take up a lot of her available storage space. Once again, an rampancy occurs when an AI has retained too much information and/or has sustained major damage to it's construct. I never said the Gravemind made her rampant, but he definetely pushed her pretty close to it. And yes, Legends IS canon except for Odd One Out. Anyways, borderline insaity does not equal rampancy. Rampancy equals insanity and/or "death." Once again, recall what Dr. Halsey said. It is statistically more likely than not for an AI to "die" due to rampancy, more so than surviving it and "living" on to be happily insane.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 1:31 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 1:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

I heard that since she went into rampancy and came out and whatever gravemind did to her saved her from future rampancy, I don't know.

  • 06.08.2011 1:31 PM PDT


Posted by: colbyrules8
I heard that since she went into rampancy and came out and whatever gravemind did to her saved her from future rampancy, I don't know.
Not quite.

  • 06.08.2011 1:32 PM PDT

This is profile number 4

actually been a member of Bungie.net since March-April 2004

... I have a tendency to lose my passwords...


Posted by: Badseed_666

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Actually, Juliana would be considered rampant to the UNSC, she was older then 7 years.

Halopedia has several ways listed to prolong rampancy, such as what Loki and Sif(I think that was their names?) did on Harvest.

Also, I believe Cortana was metastable shortly after John recovered her, being forced into rampancy by the gravemind and recovering. In orgins she was dealing with processing ALL the forerunner data, which could explain her 'flickerings'.

Edit: Besides, the UNSC has never let a smart AI go past seven years, so could they honestly know exactly what would happen?

It's Loki and Mac bud. Anyways, Cortana couldn't what those two did due to the fact that there was no other Ai to switch with. Meta-stabilization takes a LONG time, Mendicant Bias took a 100,000 years. Not to mention that all that data takes a long time to process and even so it would take up a lot of her available storage space. Once again, an rampancy occurs when an AI has retained too much information and/or has sustained major damage to it's construct. I never said the Gravemind made her rampant, but he definetely pushed her pretty close to it. And yes, Legends IS canon except for Odd One Out. Anyways, borderline insaity does not equal rampancy. Rampancy equals insanity and/or "death." Once again, recall what Dr. Halsey said. It is statistically more likely than not for an AI to "die" due to rampancy, more so than surviving it and "living" on to be happily insane.


Metastability does not take any set amount of time. Next you are going to tell me that the Bargaining stage of the seven stages of grief takes exactly 3 days. It is a psychological process that is unique to each AI and it allows an AI to stay stable after a point at which most AIs fail.

  • 06.08.2011 1:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Terminus
Metastability does not take any set amount of time. Next you are going to tell me that the Bargaining stage of the seven stages of grief takes exactly 3 days. It is a psychological process that is unique to each AI and it allows an AI to stay stable after a point at which most AIs fail.

True enough, but I am merely using Mendicant Bias as an example. Seeing as he was an arguably more advanced AI and he took 100,00 years, it's safe to say it takes quite a long time for any AI damaged by interaction with the Gravemind and that has obtained so much information. It is possible she could take less time, but we don't know for sure just long it would really take nor do we know how long the Chief and Cortana were adrift in space. I am presuming not long enough. You do have a valid point. However, I would ask politely not to insult me or anybody else on this thread.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 1:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 1:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Terminus

Posted by: Badseed_666

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Actually, Juliana would be considered rampant to the UNSC, she was older then 7 years.

Halopedia has several ways listed to prolong rampancy, such as what Loki and Sif(I think that was their names?) did on Harvest.

Also, I believe Cortana was metastable shortly after John recovered her, being forced into rampancy by the gravemind and recovering. In orgins she was dealing with processing ALL the forerunner data, which could explain her 'flickerings'.

Edit: Besides, the UNSC has never let a smart AI go past seven years, so could they honestly know exactly what would happen?

It's Loki and Mac bud. Anyways, Cortana couldn't what those two did due to the fact that there was no other Ai to switch with. Meta-stabilization takes a LONG time, Mendicant Bias took a 100,000 years. Not to mention that all that data takes a long time to process and even so it would take up a lot of her available storage space. Once again, an rampancy occurs when an AI has retained too much information and/or has sustained major damage to it's construct. I never said the Gravemind made her rampant, but he definetely pushed her pretty close to it. And yes, Legends IS canon except for Odd One Out. Anyways, borderline insaity does not equal rampancy. Rampancy equals insanity and/or "death." Once again, recall what Dr. Halsey said. It is statistically more likely than not for an AI to "die" due to rampancy, more so than surviving it and "living" on to be happily insane.


Metastability does not take any set amount of time. Next you are going to tell me that the Bargaining stage of the seven stages of grief takes exactly 3 days. It is a psychological process that is unique to each AI and it allows an AI to stay stable after a point at which most AIs fail.

THANKYOU! Whether or not every AI would have gone crazy by now there is a first for everything and who better to be the one human AI who overcomes rampancy than Cortana. Just because most AIs don't make relationships with a human like Cortana and Chiefs' doesn't mean that it was impossible.

  • 06.08.2011 1:44 PM PDT

*sigh* *face palm* Please tell me you read my post below his. And btw guys, let's refrain from insulting each other okay? This an intillectual discussion and I a to keeping it that way. Please save this thread and keep it alive for further discussion. I'm afraid I have to go but a I look forward to continueing (sorry for poor spelling)this dicussion. So happy thinking guys!

[Edited on 06.08.2011 1:49 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 1:46 PM PDT

Rampancy is not the same thing as dying, not in the least.
An AI doesn't die after seven years (not exactly anyway), they're deleted by the UNSC after seven years for fear of Rampancy, but an AI out in the middle of nowhere is not going to spontaneously die seven years after it's "born" unless it deletes itself.

And anyway, Cortana is fine, she already went through Rampancy when the Gravemind forced her into it in Halo 3, now she has reached Meta Stability. And how do you know how long it takes to reach Meta Stability, as far as I know there's no timetable for it. Just because Mendicant Bias declared his allegiance with the Forerunners and tried to actively make amends to his betrayal after thousands of years does not mean that it takes that long to reach Meta Stability.

  • 06.08.2011 1:48 PM PDT

This is profile number 4

actually been a member of Bungie.net since March-April 2004

... I have a tendency to lose my passwords...


Posted by: Badseed_666

Posted by: Terminus
Metastability does not take any set amount of time. Next you are going to tell me that the Bargaining stage of the seven stages of grief takes exactly 3 days. It is a psychological process that is unique to each AI and it allows an AI to stay stable after a point at which most AIs fail.

True enough, but I am merely using Mendicant Bias as an example. Seeing as he was an arguably more advanced AI and he took 100,00 years, it's safe to say it takes quite a long time for any AI damaged by interaction with the Gravemind and that has obtained so much information. It is possible she could take less time, but we don't know for sure just long it would really take nor do we know how long the Chief and Cortana were adrift in space. I am presuming not long enough. You do have a valid point. However, I would ask politely not to insult me or anybody else on this thread.


I didn't mean to insult.

My thoughts on the length of time to metastability is that the more advanced (complex) you are the longer time it takes.

  • 06.08.2011 1:48 PM PDT

Hmm...interesting. Anyways, I gtg guys. Save tis thread and keep it alive! I look forward to continueing this discussion! See ya guys and thanks for the help!

  • 06.08.2011 1:51 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

I want Halo 3 back how it was.

WE have no idea how long it's been since Halo 3. She could have easilly survived rampancy and re-stabilzed. We have no idea how AIs work in general, we know expected life is 7 years...We don't know of any rarities or exceptions.

  • 06.08.2011 1:56 PM PDT

While it is possible for her to have been an extremely rare rampant that could've recovered, the odds are unlikely. Think about it from a different angle here. There are many credible reasons and examples for why she should be "dead" and not meta-stable at the time of Halo 4. Try looking at it from my side.

  • 06.19.2011 6:17 PM PDT

Cortana's "love" for John acts as an anchor that helps to keep her stable. that or her prolonged contact with the Gravemind/Precursor did something.

Idk just a theory

  • 06.19.2011 6:43 PM PDT

It's been speculated that Cortana went into "sleep mode" to avoid furthering rampancy.

  • 06.19.2011 8:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Badseed_666
While it is possible for her to have been an extremely rare rampant that could've recovered, the odds are unlikely. Think about it from a different angle here. There are many credible reasons and examples for why she should be "dead" and not meta-stable at the time of Halo 4. Try looking at it from my side.


I don't see any reason why you would assume that she is Rampant though, much less why you would assume that she can't be Meta-Stable, which I think it is pretty clear she is >_>

  • 06.19.2011 9:25 PM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2