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Subject: Are the monitors really more advanced then Cortana?

This post by ajw34307 got me thinking
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There I'd no evidence to suggest she is meta-stable. It took Mendicant Bias 100,000 years to reach metastability, how could it take a less advanced construct just a few years?


That said, I think that Cortana IS more advanced then the monitors. I think it is posible.

What do you think?


[Edited on 06.08.2011 1:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2011 1:21 PM PDT

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  • 06.08.2011 1:25 PM PDT

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MB waged a battle on OB with a fleet of millions of ships, I think it is more advanced than our dear Cortana.

  • 06.08.2011 1:26 PM PDT

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We don't know for sure, really. One might argue that AIs like Cortana are more advanced because they're not compartmentalised and restricted by protocols for specific tasks, they're free to process everything they wish.

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Forerunner tech>Human tech

At least that's what I've been led to believe.

  • 06.08.2011 1:27 PM PDT
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yes, they are much more advanced, remember MB went rampant because of the gravemind of that era. he eventually reach metastability true, but he was pushed into rampancy by ...unnatural means. cortana has a shelflife of 7 years, the monitors have a shelf life of several hundred thousand years.

  • 06.08.2011 1:28 PM PDT


Posted by: The Highwayman48
Forerunner tech>Human tech

At least that's what I've been led to believe.

At one point we were about the same.

  • 06.08.2011 1:28 PM PDT

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I agree, we just dont know enough about UNSC Smart AI and Forerunner AI (monitor or contender). MB was certainly advanced, but he was still bested by OB in what should have been a certain victory.

So now I think about it.... it is incredibly difficult to call out who is the most advanced.

  • 06.08.2011 1:29 PM PDT

Is it posible that The AI in the UNSC went rampant due to -blam!- ups? What if AI can last a lot longer, and we kill them out of fear?

  • 06.08.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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All any life form created entity is flawed somewhere, so I'd imagine in some aspects the monitors are less than of that of an AI like Cortana. It's almost like comparing apples to oranges though, since the intentions of the monitors creation differs from the human AI's.

  • 06.08.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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Well, I believe it was Nylund's idea of AIs dying of "over-thinking". I think it was obvious Cortana was rampant and now she is somewhat stable / meta-stable. I suppose this somehow marks her coming death, but I don't think it's necessary.

Also, what we saw on the end of The Package could have somehow altered her abilities and maybe she doesn't age so fast / doesn't age at all.

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Posted by: George 257
Also, what we saw on the end of The Package could have somehow altered her abilities and maybe she doesn't age so fast / doesn't age at all.
Interesting theory...

  • 06.08.2011 1:36 PM PDT

Monitors are more advanced. Good 'ol fashioned Forerunner technology is more advanced than UNSC tech.

  • 06.08.2011 1:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Badseed_666
Monitors are more advanced. Good 'ol fashioned Forerunner technology is more advanced than UNSC tech.


Yes, but Monitors are restricted heavily by protocol and their knowledge is compartmentalised. Human AIs aren't as restricted, they're also based off a human mind - Cortana is specifically based off the most brilliant human mind.

  • 06.08.2011 1:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Badseed_666
Monitors are more advanced. Good 'ol fashioned Forerunner technology is more advanced than UNSC tech.

You dont have any proof. You just say so.

  • 06.08.2011 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Badseed_666
Monitors are more advanced. Good 'ol fashioned Forerunner technology is more advanced than UNSC tech.


Yes, but Monitors are restricted heavily by protocol and their knowledge is compartmentalised. Human AIs aren't as restricted, they're also based off a human mind - Cortana is specifically based off the most brilliant human mind.

  • 06.08.2011 1:40 PM PDT

You might want to fix the repost.

  • 06.08.2011 1:41 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Badseed_666
Monitors are more advanced. Good 'ol fashioned Forerunner technology is more advanced than UNSC tech.


Yes, but Monitors are restricted heavily by protocol and their knowledge is compartmentalised. Human AIs aren't as restricted, they're also based off a human mind - Cortana is specifically based off the most brilliant human mind.

Arguably the most brilliant human mind. Plus, human AI's minds are compartmentalized and are restricted by protocols.

  • 06.08.2011 1:45 PM PDT

You still dont have any reason or proof bad seed.

  • 06.08.2011 1:59 PM PDT

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Mendicant Bias isn't a Monitor. He's a Contender Class Artificial Intelligence, thus being he's designed to be far superior to pretty much any intelligence in the universe.

Monitors would probably be considered "dumb" AI's to the Forerunner/Tier 2 Humanity, being that they have a single, mindless task of maintaining the Halo installations.

  • 06.08.2011 2:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Badseed_666

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Badseed_666
Monitors are more advanced. Good 'ol fashioned Forerunner technology is more advanced than UNSC tech.


Yes, but Monitors are restricted heavily by protocol and their knowledge is compartmentalised. Human AIs aren't as restricted, they're also based off a human mind - Cortana is specifically based off the most brilliant human mind.

Arguably the most brilliant human mind. Plus, human AI's minds are compartmentalized and are restricted by protocols.


Unarguable. Without Halsey's mind humanity would never have won the war.

Human AIs are much less restricted by protocols, they are NOT compartmentalised though. The responses of the Monitors are based off what their protocol dictates them to do, human smart AIs can pretty much do whatever they like.

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Look, a more advanced construct would take much longer to meta-stabilze. The more time spent in rampancy, gathering info, and literally serving evil would probably -blam!- things up for Bias.

Cortona is simpler, but she has the advantage of being capable of gathering what she wants. Look at 343 Guilty Spark, it was limited to installation 04, and had no supperiority outside of the halo. Same goes for Bias, but in much larger scale.

  • 06.08.2011 2:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Unarguable. Without Halsey's mind humanity would never have won the war.

Human AIs are much less restricted by protocols, they are NOT compartmentalised though. The responses of the Monitors are based off what their protocol dictates them to do, human smart AIs can pretty much do whatever they like.

That's a good point.
Hmm... maybe it was just a oversight by bungie when making monitors?

Or maybe Monitors are meant to be "dumbed down" so they can just follow orders without hesitation.

  • 06.08.2011 2:06 PM PDT


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Stopped reading there.

  • 06.08.2011 2:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: ajw34307
Unarguable. Without Halsey's mind humanity would never have won the war.

Human AIs are much less restricted by protocols, they are NOT compartmentalised though. The responses of the Monitors are based off what their protocol dictates them to do, human smart AIs can pretty much do whatever they like.

That's a good point.
Hmm... maybe it was just a oversight by bungie when making monitors?

Or maybe Monitors are meant to be "dumbed down" so they can just follow orders without hesitation.


I think the latter is more likely. The Forerunners wouldn't want to take the chance of their Monitors questioning why the Flood have been locked up, then releasing them because of rampancy-induced idealism and defiance. So the Forerunners drew up strict containment protocols and the like to limit the behaviour of the Monitors.

  • 06.08.2011 3:26 PM PDT

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