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Subject: Halo 2 for Windows Vista BULL
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Windows Vista requires:

DX9 graphics card: Geforce 5200 or better, or Radeon 9500+.
Atleast for the shiny Avalon interface that you can get right now using Windows Blinds

"512mb" of ram for optimum experience, 256mb min.

And a "1ghz" or higher processor for an optimum experience. In other words, silly man, its the SAME -blam!- as XP was, you can turn all of this superfluous junk off and run it in good ol' classic mode.

  • 02.10.2006 3:28 PM PDT
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I dunno about this man....i DO remember, when Halo 2 was in development, that Bungie said they were NOT making a Halo 2 for PC. They said the only reason they decided to port Halo CE to PC was because Xbox Live wasnt around when it came out on xbox, and they really wanted to give it online multiplayer. This change of heart in their part kinda tells me that MS made them do it as an incentive for gamers to upgrade to Vista. I'll get Vista eventuallty anyway, but i'm not a PC game person at all, so i wont be getting this. I think its gey that they are doing this tho

  • 02.10.2006 4:20 PM PDT
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Halo 2 was designed for the living room. Keep KB+M Halo 2 turds away from my 360!!!!!!!!!!

This is the first mistake. The game itself was not.
"ONP" is mistake number two. Give the people what they want, Video lobbies ain't earth shattering. neither are replay uploads or machinima patches. Want a list of things you should include in "YNP"?

  • 02.10.2006 4:25 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 2 for Windows Vista
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This might sound dumb but whats Windows Vista?

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I don't have a clue why Vista, i'll just deplay getting a new laptop.

Um, this is probably the most idiotic thing you'll hear, but this is online right? It said NO Xbox live, thats just Xbox though so it is online?

  • 02.10.2006 4:33 PM PDT
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Halo 2 is coming out for Windows Vista eh? That seriously sucks. I was hopin it would have come out on the Mac G5, whatever though. I'll stick to the one on Xbox.

  • 02.10.2006 5:14 PM PDT
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I have no doubt, the reaction from Xbox gamers to the news of Halo 1 on PC was bad, this reaction will top that 10 times over.

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  • 02.10.2006 5:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: a Grunt
Try again without the insult.


This is absolutely revolting. Don't add insult to injury by trying to claim this ISN'T purely a means to pimp Vista. UT2004 and HL2 didn't need this magical Vista technology, and they both look 10 times better than Halo PC and have a much smaller footprint. UT2007 isn't going to be a Vista exclusive, and NOBODY does visuals like Epic, so why do you try again without insulting our intelligence.

  • 02.10.2006 7:48 PM PDT
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I'm a huge H1 fan and I have never owned a console in my life and have never played H2 and have been waiting for a year and a third for H2 to come out for the damn PC and I have been anticipating this and when i found out 2 days ago about the job listings I was so happy I leaped like a little girl becuase that meant that H2 was finally coming out for the PC. and today when i found out that it was only coming out for freaking Windows Vista I was crushed and enraged. this means i will have to spend 150 dollars of hard earned work money this summer to buy an Xbox and another 20 to buy halo 2, another 20 for an extra controller, and another 20 for a DVD remote. I'm not even sure if those prices are accurate, but hey, i'm a PC gamer I really shouldn't know this crap.

I'd rather spend 300 to 400 dollars upgrading my GFX card to play halo 2 maxed out on WIn Xp 64bit and enjoy it as it would be seen on the Xbox and maybe even a bit better with higher screen resolutions and Direct X 9.0c or even Direct X 10 improvements.


I'm not about to go spend thousands of dollars that i cant afford to get a windows vista capable machine. So for those people that share my same plight, there are plenty of alternatives. Keep in mind that the Xbox is extremely similar to a PC and uses a 32 bit archetecture (spelling? sorry i'm not that bright with spelling, everyone has got thier problems) And therefore, it is possible to emulate the Xbox console on the PC. there are already emulators out. they cant play commercial games yet, exept one can play the commercial version of H1.

Eventually there will be a working emulator for the xbox just like the N64 emulators and PS1 emulators that can play any commercial game avalible. (spelling again?) So one alternative is to wait for a fully working emulator and have atleast a 2.5ghz intel P4 or an Athlon Xp 2500+ and a Radeon 9800 pro or Nvidia GeForce FX 5900 or higher and 768 megs of DDR 2700 ram or higher to play it nicely or at a slightly acceptable frame rate. becuase the emulation program itslelf takes alot of processing power to make a console litteraly (spelling?) "be a PC".


A working emulator will probably come out around the time H2 will be released for vista anyway, so it's a good alternative in my opinion, another is to wait for a crack or a hacked port of H2VE (Halo 2 Vista Edition) that works on Win Xp from the amazing M.I.T. Geeks and other geeks out there. If any of you guys read this take that into consideration :-) So basically my point here is, i'm enraged about this little scheme of Bill Gate's to unnececarily make money off of the Halo fans of the world. So as you can see in my signature, PshycoSoft hasen't lost a customer yet, they have just lost a happy customer and made a sad one. Oh, and By the way bungie, GREAT job on H1. i have only played H1 so i can't rate H2 or any of the other games you have made :-p hehehe.

Cheers my fellow gamers,

LovelyHotDog

P.S. Check out the emulators at TheEmulatorZone.com

  • 02.10.2006 9:43 PM PDT
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I know its really difficult for you idiots but for the love of god

YOU DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE YOUR DAM N MACHINES. If you can play a majority of games now at decent settings, then you dont need to upgrade.

I know its tough for you idiots to read the reccomended specs for windows Vista, but I strongly suggest that you people do, lest you dump tons of money on crap you don't need.


For you idiots who are too stupid to use google (Ie 97% of you)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardwa re/entpguid.mspx

Enjoy.

Do you see that?

A modern processor


512MB of system memory or more, and


A graphics processor that will support Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) (Any DX9 capable graphics card)


Or, if you turn off all the eye-candy crap, you won't need anymore then you need to run windows 2000. Isn't that just insane?

I swear to god, I need be an admin here so I can slam it into your idiotic heads that you don't need to upgrade.


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  • 02.10.2006 10:01 PM PDT
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It wouldnt supprise me if i get blocked or somthing for what I am going to say below. I know it is not wise to speak against Microsoft in a Microsoft website but all of these people going on about how much better vista will be are getting annoying. Bungie isnt helping either - they are just spouting microsoft propaganda.

Bungie, I dont believe you one bit when you say that Vista will make the game so much better. You say it will improve performance and make the game "better". On a recent news post it was mentioned that Vista was a complete rewrite too (well, suspected that it was a rewrite). All of this is incorrect.

WindowsNT Version: -------- Operating system Name:
Microsoft WindowsNT 3.50: WindowsNT 3.5
Microsoft WindowsNT 4.00: WindowsNT 4.0
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.00: Windows 2000 Professional
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.10: Windows XP
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.20: Windows Server 2003
Microsoft WindowsNT 6.00: Windows Vista

Processor and RAM requirements for WindowsNT Workstation and 5.2 server:
Microsoft WindowsNT 3.50: 0025MHz CPU, 012MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 4.00: 0066MHz CPU, 016MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.00: 0133MHz CPU, 064MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.10: 0300MHz CPU, 128MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.20: 0550MHz CPU, 256MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 6.00: ????MHz CPU, 512MB RAM and 3D card
Notice somthing here? Each new version of WindowsNT requries more CPU power and RAM while adding few new features. I find it very hard to believe that on a 3GHz computer, WindowsNT 5.20 will run software faster than WindowsNT 5.00. WindowsNT 5.2 needs a 550MHz CPU and 256MB RAM to get the same work done that WindowsNT 5.0 does on a 133MHz CPU with 64MB RAM. Unless the system requirements for vista are lower than previous versions of windows it will NOT run software faster on the same hardware.

Point 1: Each new version of WindowsNT is slower than the last and Vista will be no exception. It will NOT run games with greater performance.

New features (minor ones such as bug fixes excluded):
WindowsNT 4.0: Win95 interface, Windows95 compatibility, newer GUI, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.0: New interface, New MMC, PnP support, few new apps, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.1: New interface, New media player, new drivers, a useless firewall, new help centre, probably somthing else, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.2: New server managment features, more security control over internet explorer, other minor changes.
Notice how there is no huge difference between each version of WindowsNT - a few new apps, some new features that no one uses and a newer interface.

Point 2: It is no major difference between one version and the version before it. The new features are not normaly worth the money.

WindowsNT 3.10: Written from scratch
WindowsNT 3.50: Based on 3.10
WindowsNT 3.51: Based on 3.50 and Windows95
WindowsNT 4.00: Based on 3.51, Windows95 and Plus!
WindowsNT 5.00: Based on 4.00, new GUI features from Windows4.x/ME
WindowsNT 5.10: Based on 5.00
WindowsNT 5.20: Based on 5.10 and 5.00

Guess what 6.0 is based on..... 5.20!!!! Version 6.0 is not a re-write, it is just WindowsNT 5.20 (aka Windows Server 2003) without its server features, a new GUI and a few other new features which have been available on the internet as addons for years (like Google picasa). It still uses a WindowsNT kernel which still operates in the same way.

Point 3: Windows Vista (WindowsNT Workstaiton 6.00) is not written from scratch.

Other games handle older operating systems and DirectX versions without loosing any features. The difference between Vista and XP is no greater than XP and Windows2000. Most games fully support XP and Win2k with no problems.

Point 4: "We want as many people to enjoy as good a version of our game as possible" is not a valid excuse for not providing an XP verison - Halo 2 could be compatible with WindowsXP without making it any worse. If you realy wanted as many people to enjoy Halo 2 as possible you would make it compatible with Windows XP - it can be done.

Taking into account previous versions of WindowsNT Workstation it is very unlikely that Vista will perform any better, have any better security or have any new features that will make it worth the upgrade. Forcing it to be on Vista is not to take advantage of new "features" - it is just another way to force people to upgrade their operating system when they dont need to.

Point 5: Restricting it to vista does not benifit the user in any way - it only benifits Microsoft.

  • 02.11.2006 2:34 AM PDT
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I cant belive the amount of Mac users out there wow I throught I was alone and look every post is not getting it need a mac port or make it for my mac G5, with the amount of people saying this we will be able to push and push for one to be made guys.

the intel chip is being set free instead of in dull little boxes preforming dull little tasks and will live life inside a Mac

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It wouldnt supprise me if i get blocked or somthing for what I am going to say below. I know it is not wise to speak against Microsoft in a Microsoft website but all of these people going on about how much better vista will be are getting annoying. Bungie isnt helping either - they are just spouting microsoft propaganda.

Bungie, I dont believe you one bit when you say that Vista will make the game so much better. You say it will improve performance and make the game "better". On a recent news post it was mentioned that Vista was a complete rewrite too (well, suspected that it was a rewrite). All of this is incorrect.

WindowsNT Version: -------- Operating system Name:
Microsoft WindowsNT 3.50: WindowsNT 3.5
Microsoft WindowsNT 4.00: WindowsNT 4.0
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.00: Windows 2000 Professional
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.10: Windows XP
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.20: Windows Server 2003
Microsoft WindowsNT 6.00: Windows Vista

Processor and RAM requirements for WindowsNT Workstation and 5.2 server:
Microsoft WindowsNT 3.50: 0025MHz CPU, 012MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 4.00: 0066MHz CPU, 016MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.00: 0133MHz CPU, 064MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.10: 0300MHz CPU, 128MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.20: 0550MHz CPU, 256MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 6.00: ????MHz CPU, 512MB RAM and 3D card
Notice somthing here? Each new version of WindowsNT requries more CPU power and RAM while adding few new features. I find it very hard to believe that on a 3GHz computer, WindowsNT 5.20 will run software faster than WindowsNT 5.00. WindowsNT 5.2 needs a 550MHz CPU and 256MB RAM to get the same work done that WindowsNT 5.0 does on a 133MHz CPU with 64MB RAM. Unless the system requirements for vista are lower than previous versions of windows it will NOT run software faster on the same hardware.

Point 1: Each new version of WindowsNT is slower than the last and Vista will be no exception. It will NOT run games with greater performance.

New features (minor ones such as bug fixes excluded):
WindowsNT 4.0: Win95 interface, Windows95 compatibility, newer GUI, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.0: New interface, New MMC, PnP support, few new apps, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.1: New interface, New media player, new drivers, a useless firewall, new help centre, probably somthing else, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.2: New server managment features, more security control over internet explorer, other minor changes.
Notice how there is no huge difference between each version of WindowsNT - a few new apps, some new features that no one uses and a newer interface.

Point 2: It is no major difference between one version and the version before it. The new features are not normaly worth the money.

WindowsNT 3.10: Written from scratch
WindowsNT 3.50: Based on 3.10
WindowsNT 3.51: Based on 3.50 and Windows95
WindowsNT 4.00: Based on 3.51, Windows95 and Plus!
WindowsNT 5.00: Based on 4.00, new GUI features from Windows4.x/ME
WindowsNT 5.10: Based on 5.00
WindowsNT 5.20: Based on 5.10 and 5.00

Guess what 6.0 is based on..... 5.20!!!! Version 6.0 is not a re-write, it is just WindowsNT 5.20 (aka Windows Server 2003) without its server features, a new GUI and a few other new features which have been available on the internet as addons for years (like Google picasa). It still uses a WindowsNT kernel which still operates in the same way.

Point 3: Windows Vista (WindowsNT Workstaiton 6.00) is not written from scratch.

Other games handle older operating systems and DirectX versions without loosing any features. The difference between Vista and XP is no greater than XP and Windows2000. Most games fully support XP and Win2k with no problems.

Point 4: "We want as many people to enjoy as good a version of our game as possible" is not a valid excuse for not providing an XP verison - Halo 2 could be compatible with WindowsXP without making it any worse. If you realy wanted as many people to enjoy Halo 2 as possible you would make it compatible with Windows XP - it can be done.

Taking into account previous versions of WindowsNT Workstation it is very unlikely that Vista will perform any better, have any better security or have any new features that will make it worth the upgrade. Forcing it to be on Vista is not to take advantage of new "features" - it is just another way to force people to upgrade their operating system when they dont need to.

Point 5: Restricting it to vista does not benifit the user in any way - it only benifits Microsoft.


Slick post :D

  • 02.11.2006 3:49 AM PDT
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By the time Halo2 is released for PC it will be outdated by several years, by force choking Vista down the PC users throats all it does is effectivly kills the PC market for Halo2.

Theres nothing in terms of system requirments that requires the exlusive use of Vista to play Halo2 on a PC.

All in all Halo2 will be out to little, to late and with to much Vista for anyone to really care...

  • 02.11.2006 4:25 AM PDT

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Halo 2 + Nothing New = Halo 2 PC = -_-

  • 02.11.2006 9:33 AM PDT
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PC Version gonna be great. probably something that bungie trying to get ppl stop thinking about halo3 bcuz i bet not coming out for another year or 2

  • 02.11.2006 10:18 AM PDT
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When exactly is Windows Vista supposed to be released?

  • 02.11.2006 12:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: jpicard
I cant belive the amount of Mac users out there wow I throught I was alone and look every post is not getting it need a mac port or make it for my mac G5, with the amount of people saying this we will be able to push and push for one to be made guys.

the intel chip is being set free instead of in dull little boxes preforming dull little tasks and will live life inside a Mac


Yeah, I think it's BS that Bungie isn't making H2 for the Mac.

And what really sucked, was that Halo 1 for the Mac had so many glitches, it was impossible to enjoy.

  • 02.11.2006 12:52 PM PDT
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To whom it may concern,


We have received recent news that a particular game was being made for pc and
that it would be an operating system exclusive situation.

The game would be Halo 2 and the operating system would be windows Vista, the
upcoming new windows operating system.

While this is good news for those wanting this particular game to be able to be played
on their own personnal computers instead of the xbox console, there is a real troubling situation
brewing due to the fact that Microsoft has decided to make this game Vista exclusive.

Bungie and Misrosoft have not made it clear if the new game would be supported by windows XP
but it appears not to be so. A lot of fans don't see no clear reasons why the game should not be windows xp
compatible and don't understand the reasoning behind this.Bungie remains vague as to why the game can only
be done in windows vista and are trying to throw a veil on the situation.

A lot of fans of the game are enraged at this situation and are saying
that this is a marketing ploy done by Microsoft to make people move to their new
Operating system this fall.

And a lot of people are simply not ready for the new OS and it's requirements
because of different reasons, Money and hardware wise.

The actions of Microsoft in doing this is creating a nasty
situation amongst their Halo Fans and a lot of people are angry at their
underhand practice in this situation.

Again Microsoft is creating a situation basically dictating us what to do instead of us
deciding if we want to buy their product or not.

The expenses of this situation are enormous for those who do not want to buy a new pc yet.

People will have to buy a new operating system and perhaps even have to buy a new pc altogether
to be able to use Vista and play the game.

I am sure a lot of fans are not ready to do this at this juncture especially if you have just bought
a brand new pc recently.

Vista is not wrong but the timing of the situation is. No word would have been said if Vista was the DeFacto
operating system right now but a huge percentage are still with XP and are just getting used to it and like it
for different reasons.

We would appreciate if you would pass this around and talk about this to prove again that a corporation
because of the power of money seems to think that they would get away with everything they do all the time
especially microsoft.

Microsoft seems to forget that we helped them put them on the map and it is because of "US" that they are where they are.

Forward this to your friends and send this to newsdesk and other such venues as to make it known that this is going on and we will
not stand idly by and let it happen.

Go to gamespot.com to read reactions on this news and i am sure there is other forums voicing this ssad situation.


Copy this and send it out to people who could lobby on this and make a difference!!!


Thanks for reading.

A Game fan and addict.

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Wow, to bad Windows Vista will probly only run on 1/2 computers, because its such a high end (but poorly put togeather I might add) Piece of software...

  • 02.11.2006 2:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: KrazeeMoFo
Not necessarily, do you know the system requirements for it?
And you say you just bought your PC so it should be able to handle it no problem.
For example look at what it takes to run XP
-P2 300 mhz, 128 mb of ram, super vga video card.

Vista won't need much to run.

Haha "Vista wont need that much to run"
try a 64 bit CPU which intel has very few of
a 3ghz P4 class or 1.8-2.0 Athlon64 Class CPU
512mbs of RAM
a geforce 5700
and a huge hard drive

and lancer its less than half ;)


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  • 02.11.2006 2:32 PM PDT
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See my above post you retarded idiot and instead of you morons pulling numbers out your arse, how about you check the offical specs from Microsoft?



  • 02.11.2006 3:19 PM PDT
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how about i didnt pull it out of my arse, but I got it from various magizines and their estimates. MS says "Modern CPU" that is too basic, it will most likley be somewhere aroun 3ghz in the Pentium 4 Class or 1.8-2ghz in the Athlon64 Class(if you even know what an Athlon 64 is lol). Also, you do need to upgrade because many people dont have 64bit CPUs, which is needed if you want Vista.

  • 02.11.2006 4:01 PM PDT
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Dude, why are you defending Microsoft and Bungie? And why do you think we are idiots when we are stating FACTS.

First off... LOOK AT XP. Don't lie to me and say those "recommended specs" for XP to run "smoothly" actually makes it run smooth. It could honestly run a lot better. Sure it runs fine under those settings but its not ideal for gaming. You'd need a gig to truly get it smooth and 1 GB of ram cost money. We "schizophrenic teenagers" as you so colourfully named us, don't have all that much money.

Now look at vista. The minute you see a screen shot you KNOW its going to require more RAM than XP. It's also going to need a decent graphics card! Plus, from the looks of it, it would need more HD space and CPU power. Sure SOME things may be executed faster but the whole damn thing is basically the same! Sure vista may be more secure but there is no freaking reason to upgrade to vista for ONE GAME! And it will cost quite a bit of money to upgrade the pc. Don't be all “it won't need much to run”. Because if you know ANYTHING AT ALL about the Microsoft operating systems you'd know that to run each version smoothly you'd need a higher end pc. K I am done!

  • 02.11.2006 5:20 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 2 for Windows Vista
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Buy an Intel Mac and run Vista when you need to. It doesnt boot from BIOS, so theoretically it will work.

  • 02.11.2006 5:21 PM PDT