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Subject: Halo 2 for Windows Vista BULL
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I know its tough for your pseudointellectual computer users who think you know something, but no.

First off Vista will also be 32 bit, or did you not know this?

Modern CPU?

I've run Vista on a 1.2Ghz Duron you idiot, and it chugged along pefectly fine with a Geforce 5500.

Yeah, I know what a AMD 64 proc is, I have a 3700+ SD core @ 2.9ghz, Do you know what that is?

How about you go get yourself a pirated copy of the beta vista, and try it out on various machines. That way, you can see that it isnt really all that much.
Posted by: MorKon
how about i didnt pull it out of my arse, but I got it from various magizines and their estimates. MS says "Modern CPU" that is too basic, it will most likley be somewhere aroun 3ghz in the Pentium 4 Class or 1.8-2ghz in the Athlon64 Class(if you even know what an Athlon 64 is lol). Also, you do need to upgrade because many people dont have 64bit CPUs, which is needed if you want Vista.

  • 02.11.2006 6:43 PM PDT
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Buy an Intel Mac and run Vista when you need to. It doesnt boot from BIOS, so theoretically it will work.

No. IMacs use EFI, and you wont be able to boot into anything else without a hard mod on the chip that is on the mobo.

It dosen't boot from the bios? Oh so that just means all current motherboards are SOL right?

I wish you people would think about what you type before you hit the "submit" button.

I know its tough for your pseudointellectual computer users who think you know something, but no.

First off Vista will also be 32 bit, or did you not know this? Think about the marketing ramifications if Microsoft suddenly shunned all of the 32 bit users even though a majority of processors released these days (except the current 32 bit 65nm processors released by Intel that go on their mobile playforms) are 64 bit? Its plain stupid. Why do you think on Windows 95 they had 16 bit and 32 bit support? Oh yeah, because many people still had 16 bit processors.

Modern CPU?

I've run Vista on a 1.2Ghz Duron you idiot, and it chugged along pefectly fine with a Geforce 5500.

Yeah, I know what a AMD 64 proc is, I have a 3700+ SD core @ 2.9ghz, Do you know what that is?

How about you go get yourself a pirated copy of the beta vista, and try it out on various machines. That way, you can see that it isnt really all that much.


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First off... LOOK AT XP. Don't lie to me and say those "recommended specs" for XP to run "smoothly" actually makes it run smooth. It could honestly run a lot better. Sure it runs fine under those settings but its not ideal for gaming. You'd need a gig to truly get it smooth and 1 GB of ram cost money. We "schizophrenic teenagers" as you so colourfully named us, don't have all that much money.

Now look at vista. The minute you see a screen shot you KNOW its going to require more RAM than XP. It's also going to need a decent graphics card! Plus, from the looks of it, it would need more HD space and CPU power. Sure SOME things may be executed faster but the whole damn thing is basically the same! Sure vista may be more secure but there is no freaking reason to upgrade to vista for ONE GAME! And it will cost quite a bit of money to upgrade the pc. Don't be all “it won't need much to run”. Because if you know ANYTHING AT ALL about the Microsoft operating systems you'd know that to run each version smoothly you'd need a higher end pc. K I am done!"

O rly? A gig of DDR costs $60 bucks now a days, or even less if you ebay it. Roughly same price for DDR2. And the other wierd thing is that I can run Windows XP on a box with 512 mb of ram perfectly, fine, same with Vista.

Decent graphics card? ADISASAIUDH Stupid damn kids! Any DX9 capable card can do it! Are you people just too stupid or do you just love pulling stuff out of your arse? HD space, yep, when I installed Longhorn 52xx it took almost 4GB of space.

I wish you stupid kids would research before opening your idiotic mouths.

Edit #n: I know some of you kids are real smart and think that windows XP requires a ton of horsepower, but nope. On a good streamlined version of windows XP corp, I can get it to run perfectly fine stable and fast on a 333mhz celly. Isnt that crazy? And it even only has 256mb of ram. Now I know most of you have your fun Norton Antivirus constantly scanning, 40 different flavors of anti-spyware because you are too dumb to know how to properly shut it out before it starts, and of course some random other apps that let you have 62 running processes total, but get this:

You can have windows XP on just 16 proccesses. Hell, you can have it on 10 if you want to, but then it would be annoying if you had to use some feature that wasn't turned on.

Vista? It should be even faster provided that 333mhz processor has a dx9 capable graphics card. Why is that Dr. Runiteshark?

Because of the lovely vector based graphics. Yeah, they are moving away from the crappy bmp based graphics and onto real graphics that other OSs have used for years. This means that the actual graphical rendering will be done on what its ment to be done on -- the graphics card.

My experiences with MS vista were perfectly fine, and I tested them on a slew of systems, from a lower end 1.2ghz duron with 512mb pc 2100 ram and a slow Geforce 5500, all the way up to a AMD 4800+ DC @ 2.8ghz w/ 2GB OCZ Plat PC3200 @ 223mhz 2-3-2-5 @ 1t timings on a DFI Lanparty SLI-DR board. It works perfectly fine and basically the same on both systems, HOWEVER, the support for multi-cores is finnaly realized on the Vista platform. That means, instead of having all your lovely windows processes on the same core as your game, your current gen games (single threaded) will be on one core while the vista processes will be on the other.

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  • 02.11.2006 6:45 PM PDT
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JOIN US IN THE PROTEST TO MAKE HALO 2 FOR WINDOWS XP!

Join our group and post up in it's forums.

The group website is...

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/94403/Group/GroupHome.aspx

Go there. And Let's get this protest moving!

  • 02.11.2006 8:20 PM PDT
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There will be a crack made for it.. You do know that right?

  • 02.11.2006 9:04 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 2 for Windows Vista

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It has the word "Halo" in its title. That means an automatic campaign playthrough for me.

I think bungie's next non-halo games should be made w/out Micro$uck$, as in they need to split away from them, and refound Bunige Corp, BEFORE they make any new games...

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  • 02.11.2006 10:47 PM PDT
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And loose so much financial backing?

Microsoft BOUGHT Bungie, why would they want to split with the massive amount of funding that they could invoke from their parent company?

Halo is a big thing on the Xbox, because as you people know, on consoles there isn't much to go up against.

  • 02.11.2006 11:34 PM PDT
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The really sad thing is that Linux will no doubt have emulation for Vista games, which means linux users will be able to play Halo 2 PC and XP users will not. That is just ridiculous.

Palladium is reason enough not to get Vista; it would not surprise me in the least if Microsoft cut some deals so that only big name virus checkers like Norton are "allowed" to run on it FREX.

This may finally be enough to force me over to Linux.

  • 02.12.2006 3:49 AM PDT
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If only Bungie would be clear on what their doing...

It pisses me off so bad that a lot of gaming companies operate like that they just let tidbits slowly out to build momentum for their products..it is the reverse of movies where they start almost a year before to blast you with "coming soon"...

I guess bungie and microsoft decided to put the news out to see the reactions to "VISTA ONLY" and "feel the field" as they say'.. so far it seems that that field would be filled with land mines if the bungie group would step into because fans just wana tear them appart.

what makes matters worse is that like i just said there is no news...they just announce it...make a really vague FAQ then exit...

it's like a striper that just gets to the bra and she has those big huge (@@@) and then before the end of the song she stops and goes away without showing you anything and you are like WTF???!!!!

same story here.

At least if they would come out clean and say that they wanna make it xp compatible too all of this would stop.

They could just say that "it's gonna look prettier on vista" instead of only vista...then instead of a fist to the jaw it would have felt like a small slap and not make all of this mess to begin with...

it is their own fault and i wish i was not there...well actually i wish i was there cause you know what i would talk some sense at some people at M$ and say to them that for the sake of the game and fans that XP will be supported!!!!

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  • 02.12.2006 8:43 AM PDT
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I own both an xbox and an xbox360 and love playing Halo 2 on either . I also find that the xbox live service is an excellent feature of both consoles. I enjoy the feature so much that I have an account and 2 different accounts for my kids. Here is where Microsoft (xbox) excels on being a be a better console than the PS2. Yes I also know that the hardware specs of the xbox are better than the PS2 so I do not want to go there.

As for Halo 2 on Vista, that totally blows my mind. If Microsoft thinks that people will pay $50.00 for the game (guess) and $100-$300 for either the upgrade or full install disk then I think there are some real issues. The operating system of the xbox is basically a strip down verison of Windows. It will not be to difficult for the programmers at Bungie to "port" Halo 2 over to either Windows XP or MACs. They can also port it over to Linux if they really wanted to but I do think that will ever happen (lol). I do not use Windows for my operating system due to the fact that it is so buggy and insecure. So many issues arise from using Windows...viruses, trojan horses, spyware..etc I think you all get the point. So many users are switching to either MACs or Linux. I chose Linux due to the fact that I can use my same hardware. Now I have ROCK SOLID security and NEVER have to worry about those issues.
If Microsoft really wanted to be friendly to their following, they should have released Halo 2 on the Windows XP platform also. By doing this "bonehead" move, it proves that Microsoft only want your $$$$ and really has little interest of anything else. I love using my xbox for gaming (or my xbox360). In the future people will be no longer be using computers for "highend" gaming and will be using these next generation game consoles (PS3, XBOX360, REV).
This is a very bad move for Microsoft to ignore its huge base of XP users, it will only cause move people to start using Linux or switch to Macs when it is time to either upgrade their OS or hardware.

I have built many hi-end custom desktop computer for people and over 90% of them use Linux....and that will not change with the release of Vista. People who know I.T. use either a dual-boot PC (Linux/Windows) or just have a MAC. Users who advocate Windows (any verison) as being the best "OS" are not from the planet Earth.



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  • 02.12.2006 10:27 AM PDT
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sure vista will come out on 32bit platforms, but from what I saw, the lack of features make it look like a joke. you serioulsly think your god dont you Runiteshark? Also, Vista is suppose to support EFI kthxbye

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  • 02.12.2006 10:46 AM PDT

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By the way, my gamertag is really 'Flame Sama'.

This account is inactive-it's a relic of a former time for Bungie.net, back when groups were riding high prior to the release Halo 3.

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Please ?

  • 02.12.2006 12:22 PM PDT
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Hello,

I am a representative from the “HALO 2 for XP!” group, and I would like to invite you to join us as we begin a protest to bring Halo 2 to Windows XP. As you may know, Microsoft has made a decision to create Halo 2 for Microsoft’s new operating system, Windows Vista. This is clearly a marketing strategy and is in fact a slap in the face to the dedicated Halo 2 fans (like you). Join our group at this website, http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/94403/Group/GroupHome.aspx
Just join, post up your demands in the forums there. And invite your friends. It’s that easy.

Thank you,

Your fellow Halo 2 gamer.

  • 02.12.2006 4:53 PM PDT
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Dont get me wrong when i say this, i would very much like to have halo 2 for the pc (HPC2) and i also wouldnt mind having the new windows software Windows Vista, but sereously, some of us that love playing HPC cant exactly afford HPC2, windows vista, plus most ppl will need a new video card, and thats almost 400 bucks right their. personaly im trying to save my money, not have to spend it on on some software that is only going to boost detail, security, and quality of your computer by just a little bit. i also just got a computer for christmas and now i have to go buy windows vista. psst what kind of crap is that!!! so i believe that HPC2 should be supported on the next best thing compared to windows vista which is Windows XP. this makes more since because more ppl will most likely buy HPC2 if Windows XP can support it because most ppl arent going to go out and blow that much money for ONE FREAKIN GAME!!!........... ill still probly buy all this anyway but thats all ive got to say.


P.S... pls pls pls let Windows XP suport this game. pece

  • 02.12.2006 9:17 PM PDT
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maybe they should make a package where you can buy windows vista and get HPC2 for FREE!!!!!

pls reply if you think this is a good idea

  • 02.12.2006 9:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: julesjackal
This is a very bad move for Microsoft to ignore its huge base of XP users, it will only cause move people to start using Linux or switch to Macs.


What? So if a good game comes out for Vista, people will start moving to operating systems that the game isn't made for? What planet do you come from?

If any of you have ANY experience in PC Gaming, upgrading your hardware to play a game is simple and a joy! The fact that you have more power to eat up F.E.A.R or any other game that you throw at it makes you a better person in your own eyes. Although Windows has many security faults, using a good security set-up such as Norton or McAfee or some free applications such as AVG Free and Zone-Alarm, will protect a home user from their computer being at risk.

Windows Vista will have a rediculous amount of security programs built in to it, making it perfectly secure. I have to go now, Service pack 2 awaits me.

  • 02.13.2006 1:54 AM PDT

Lord, I was born an 'Amblin' Man.

Out of curiosity, why are you fighting for Microsoft against angry teens right now?

I believe you are right and I also believe that Bungie and Microsoft have made a keen business decision to put it on Vista. It helps solidify the bond between parent and subsidiary which will in the long run probably make better resources available to Bungie (i.e. more resources = better games usually.)

However, you are merely fighting with teenagers who had to scrap together their last penny to get the games as it is now and they just want to vent their frustration. As has been previously said, if they had announced it when Vista was closer to completion or completed, it would have been considered a wise move and these kids would have just sighed and let it go, but the early announcement on something that won't happen for (my estimate and not based on any facts) at least one year might have been hasty. However, the mass announcement that new jobs were available caused a bunch of questions, so I'm not sure they could have avoided it.

BTW, your information is quite impressive and extensive.


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  • 02.13.2006 7:11 AM PDT
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I believe its a business thing to gain more revenue and also to bring the game to the next level. Sure, it may cost money but if you have a system that can't run Battlefield 2 even then you need to upgrade anyway. All the whining in the world isnt going to make them halt production and revert back to programming for XP. XP sucks anyway IMHO.

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  • 02.13.2006 7:34 AM PDT
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WOW please cry more.... Like somone wise said , There will be a crack and so on and so forth, I havent paid for An operating System in atleast 5 years. However If your computer barely runs xp or will barely run vista you probably shouldnt be playing pc games to begin with

  • 02.13.2006 12:01 PM PDT
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Sure it may be a buisness driven reason for porting H2 to Vista, but shouldn't they look at the fanbase and realize, the majority of us cant afford a new OS and a new PC, sure we are teens, but you should read some of these comments, a lot have been put together well like this one

It wouldnt supprise me if i get blocked or somthing for what I am going to say below. I know it is not wise to speak against Microsoft in a Microsoft website but all of these people going on about how much better vista will be are getting annoying. Bungie isnt helping either - they are just spouting microsoft propaganda.

Bungie, I dont believe you one bit when you say that Vista will make the game so much better. You say it will improve performance and make the game "better". On a recent news post it was mentioned that Vista was a complete rewrite too (well, suspected that it was a rewrite). All of this is incorrect.

WindowsNT Version: -------- Operating system Name:
Microsoft WindowsNT 3.50: WindowsNT 3.5
Microsoft WindowsNT 4.00: WindowsNT 4.0
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.00: Windows 2000 Professional
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.10: Windows XP
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.20: Windows Server 2003
Microsoft WindowsNT 6.00: Windows Vista

Processor and RAM requirements for WindowsNT Workstation and 5.2 server:
Microsoft WindowsNT 3.50: 0025MHz CPU, 012MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 4.00: 0066MHz CPU, 016MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.00: 0133MHz CPU, 064MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.10: 0300MHz CPU, 128MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 5.20: 0550MHz CPU, 256MB RAM
Microsoft WindowsNT 6.00: ????MHz CPU, 512MB RAM and 3D card
Notice somthing here? Each new version of WindowsNT requries more CPU power and RAM while adding few new features. I find it very hard to believe that on a 3GHz computer, WindowsNT 5.20 will run software faster than WindowsNT 5.00. WindowsNT 5.2 needs a 550MHz CPU and 256MB RAM to get the same work done that WindowsNT 5.0 does on a 133MHz CPU with 64MB RAM. Unless the system requirements for vista are lower than previous versions of windows it will NOT run software faster on the same hardware.

Point 1: Each new version of WindowsNT is slower than the last and Vista will be no exception. It will NOT run games with greater performance.

New features (minor ones such as bug fixes excluded):
WindowsNT 4.0: Win95 interface, Windows95 compatibility, newer GUI, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.0: New interface, New MMC, PnP support, few new apps, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.1: New interface, New media player, new drivers, a useless firewall, new help centre, probably somthing else, other minor changes.
WindowsNT 5.2: New server managment features, more security control over internet explorer, other minor changes.
Notice how there is no huge difference between each version of WindowsNT - a few new apps, some new features that no one uses and a newer interface.

Point 2: It is no major difference between one version and the version before it. The new features are not normaly worth the money.

WindowsNT 3.10: Written from scratch
WindowsNT 3.50: Based on 3.10
WindowsNT 3.51: Based on 3.50 and Windows95
WindowsNT 4.00: Based on 3.51, Windows95 and Plus!
WindowsNT 5.00: Based on 4.00, new GUI features from Windows4.x/ME
WindowsNT 5.10: Based on 5.00
WindowsNT 5.20: Based on 5.10 and 5.00

Guess what 6.0 is based on..... 5.20!!!! Version 6.0 is not a re-write, it is just WindowsNT 5.20 (aka Windows Server 2003) without its server features, a new GUI and a few other new features which have been available on the internet as addons for years (like Google picasa). It still uses a WindowsNT kernel which still operates in the same way.

Point 3: Windows Vista (WindowsNT Workstaiton 6.00) is not written from scratch.

Other games handle older operating systems and DirectX versions without loosing any features. The difference between Vista and XP is no greater than XP and Windows2000. Most games fully support XP and Win2k with no problems.

Point 4: "We want as many people to enjoy as good a version of our game as possible" is not a valid excuse for not providing an XP verison - Halo 2 could be compatible with WindowsXP without making it any worse. If you realy wanted as many people to enjoy Halo 2 as possible you would make it compatible with Windows XP - it can be done.

Taking into account previous versions of WindowsNT Workstation it is very unlikely that Vista will perform any better, have any better security or have any new features that will make it worth the upgrade. Forcing it to be on Vista is not to take advantage of new "features" - it is just another way to force people to upgrade their operating system when they dont need to.

Point 5: Restricting it to vista does not benifit the user in any way - it only benifits Microsoft.


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  • 02.13.2006 1:54 PM PDT
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Please, PLEASE don't make Halo 2 for WV a port! Halo 1 was horible when it came to performance!

Thanks a lot for making Halo 2 for PC, hopefully I'll be able to install Windows Vista on my new computer.

  • 02.13.2006 7:54 PM PDT
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Yes It was Bad Because Gearbox touched it. WIth is releasing with windows Vista Hopefully the game will rock. Bring back the old weapons including pistol and Fuel ROd, Halo 1 maps, and make the BR more effective. NUthing as boring as on XBOX with Blood Gultch being 10 times bigger and if you didnt have a sniper you were sitting ducks. Basically remake halo1 pc the right way :)

  • 02.14.2006 11:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: BathroomSecurity
Q: Is the release of Halo 2 for Windows Vista just a way to force consumers to purchase the new operating system?
A: Absolutely not. Bungie Studios and Microsoft's steadfast commitment to quality determined that the Windows Vista platform would provide the best possible version of Halo 2 for the Windows PC. We will provide you with more details in the future.


This is the biggest piece of bull-blam!- bungie has ever said.


I couldn't have said it in a better way!

  • 02.14.2006 1:55 PM PDT

"Veni, Vidi, Vici" = "I came, I saw, I conquered" Julius Caesar

well i know im late to this but i thought that there was a rumor about h3 released on ps3 and this is the next project but i have Windows 98 and need new pc so no problem with h2 vista. i like the h2 pc idea it lets bungie experiment some new features like map customizer and if lucky may try fuel rod or mongosse that would b tight

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  • 02.14.2006 4:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: Harling13style
Posted by: BathroomSecurity
Q: Is the release of Halo 2 for Windows Vista just a way to force consumers to purchase the new operating system?
A: Absolutely not. Bungie Studios and Microsoft's steadfast commitment to quality determined that the Windows Vista platform would provide the best possible version of Halo 2 for the Windows PC. We will provide you with more details in the future.


This is the biggest piece of bull-blam!- bungie has ever said.


I couldn't have said it in a better way!


I've seen XP handle quite a few games that had better graphics, and more action than Halo 2. I know for a fact that it could be delivered on XP. I also know, that it could be done on a Mac, and since Halo 1 was on the Mac, it is only fair that the second game is released on it too. I know quite a few people, that have Halo 1 for Mac, and want to know what happens next to MC, but now, they won't know. They prefer point and click over two joysticks, and since they aren't used to it, they cannot play the game on Xbox.

They aren't familiar with Halo on Microsoft operatiing systems, so there is no way that it will be delivered to them.

I am also very familiar with Macintosh, and it is easier for me to create my own custom graphics with this particular computer. I would have loved to get on my Mac, play around with H2, and have all my friends enjoy a unique map that I put together.

I see absolutly no reason for Bungie not to port H2 over to Mac.

Edit: I forgot to put a NOT in that last sentance...

[Edited on 2/16/2006]

  • 02.14.2006 6:41 PM PDT
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I'm definitely gonna get it!

  • 02.15.2006 6:26 PM PDT