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Subject: Am I the only one tired of people saying ME or SW would destroy Halo?
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably bd immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are equipped with such things standard. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


[Edited on 06.10.2011 6:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 5:46 PM PDT

Wow, just wow!

I agree with you, but this wouldn't make an effective argument. Every other word is "probably"

  • 06.09.2011 5:48 PM PDT

Or we could let the thread die? I hate those too.

  • 06.09.2011 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Man, you can't write something as fact and then not give concrete evidence. All of this is based off of conjecture, and is therefore not entireley credible.

TL;DR: Your essay would probably be better if it were based off of 100% confiremed fact.

EDIT: Missed highlighting one of the many "probably"'s





[Edited on 06.09.2011 5:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 5:54 PM PDT

Wow, just wow!

Posted by: evil_canevil_666
Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Man, you can't write something as fact and then not give concrete evidence. All of this is based off of conjecture, and is therefore not entireley credible.

TL;DR: Your essay would probably be better if it were based off of 100% confiremed fact.

EDIT: Missed highlighting one of the many "probably"'s





Missed one.

[Edited on 06.09.2011 5:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 5:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pyrotrain
Posted by: evil_canevil_666
Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Man, you can't write something as fact and then not give concrete evidence. All of this is based off of conjecture, and is therefore not entireley credible.

TL;DR: Your essay would probably be better if it were based off of 100% confiremed fact.

EDIT: Missed highlighting one of the many "probably"'s





Missed one.


One of mine? Yes. Of his? Nope.

  • 06.09.2011 6:02 PM PDT

Oh look, a person riding the precursors.

"Oh, we know next to nothing about them, THEREFORE THEY WIN!"

You see, the reason Star Wars destroys Halo, is their NORMAL forces can win the war. Halo has to bring in precursors and forerunners to win.

  • 06.09.2011 6:23 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh look, a person riding the precursors.

"Oh, we know next to nothing about them, THEREFORE THEY WIN!"

You see, the reason Star Wars destroys Halo, is their NORMAL forces can win the war. Halo has to bring in precursors and forerunners to win.


Besides, Star Wars has the Ewoks and Gungans, they cannot be defeated.

  • 06.09.2011 6:27 PM PDT

Forerunners are sickeningly powerful plus the Flood. And that's not mentioning the fact that Humanity was as powerful if not more powerful than the forerunners. I'm under the impression that the only reasons Humans lost the war with the Forerunners is because of the Flood.

*Spoilers* I'm also going to draw attention to how powerful Forerunner weapons are. At the end of Cryptum it mentions that a Forerunner fortress ships point defense guns shredded a Halo ring and it took the Pillar of Autumn letting off an absolutely massive explosion to destroy one.

Honestly I think it comes down to which time period it takes place in. if it's during the Forerunner empire Halo stands a chance. If it's during the Human-Covenant war or the post war period Halo is screwed.

[Edited on 06.09.2011 6:35 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 6:33 PM PDT

biggest problem for Universe comparison is lack of continuity, the way all of the said Universes seem to change whenever something else is required to assist the 'hero', the same thing happens with Star Wars and Star Trek debates, an example of universal messing, Star Wars Star Destroyers are said to be able to put out Gigaton levels of power with their Turbo-Lasers, a Star Destroyer itself has no issues taking countless hits from these weapons, yet in Episode V (I think) a Star Destroyer gets hit by an asteroid around 1/10 the volume of the bridge section, which cripples the Destroyer, the speed its moving and the size of it, the energy released by the impact would be several Kilotons at best. so right there is a classic example of 'science' in these universes changing to suit the needs of the stories.

same thing happens in Halo countless times, Magnetic Accelerator Cannons are powerful multi-Kiloton weapons, however a Spire in Reach gets destroyed by something less than even a Kiloton yield. Pillar of Autumn survives being hit by something like eight Plasma Torpedoes in the original cut-scene without catastrophic damage, these Plasma Torpedoes are said to 'melt ships...', again altering to suit the current situation.

Star Trek is also rather guilty of the same thing, Phase Cannons for example are said to put out 500 Gigajoules of energy, which is only around 180 tons of TNT, however in the first test of the Phase Cannon we see the weapon quite simply level a mountain on an asteroid, like the whole mountain and create a substantial crater! that is more like 500 Gigatons of TNT or an ungodly amount of Joules. Photon Torpedoes and Quantum Torpedoes change yield depending on the scene as well, they are significantly more powerful than Phase Cannons, yet said to put a 'kilometre crater in an asteroid...' something we witnessed the Phase Cannons doing, so like I said inconsistent as hell!

Stargate is plagued by these continuity conundrums as well, so all I am getting at is, its not possible to compare two different universes when individually they are in internal turmoil with dramatically altering weapon power, defence power and such. even 'Canon' sources are contradicted by other 'Canon' sources, which are contradicted by Game/Film footage, see Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargate and they appear left right and centre. so I personally recommend we cut it out with the comparison threads, unless you can find some 'rock solid' foundation for comparison, otherwise its going to, like always end up in a massive flaming war.

  • 06.09.2011 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh look, a person riding the precursors.

"Oh, we know next to nothing about them, THEREFORE THEY WIN!"

You see, the reason Star Wars destroys Halo, is their NORMAL forces can win the war. Halo has to bring in precursors and forerunners to win.


There normal forces--such as the Empire--are numerous, not individually powerful. UNSC, Covenant, and Flood are versatile, powerful, maneuverable and far more adaptaple then most of Wars' races.

And so what if the Forerunners/Precursors are needed to beat Wars? Anyone with a brain would realize that Wars has far too many races and inhabitants for the UNSC and Covenant to win single handedly (However, that backfires when the Flood come into play. Coruscant would be a field day for the Flood).

The fact of the matter is, what is known about the Precursors essentially garuntees them a victory. No matter what their weapons are, the mere fact that neither of the other two races has anything that can lay a scratch on them is proof enough. Add on to the fact Halo 4's villain might be a Precursor (that which can threaten they entire universe that is) and there's more power to them.

But I think we can all agree that the ME universe would lose laughably fast to either of these two universes.

  • 06.09.2011 6:36 PM PDT

In terms of Firepower, the Empire can match the Forerunner, although the Forerunner have much more numbers. Anything else such as Covenant and UNSC would go down with ease. It's that simple. Precursor is something we won't know under the next book or so.

  • 06.09.2011 6:36 PM PDT

Throwing in my points here.

Starwars has the force, Nuff said.

Tech wise Mass accelerator weapons can GUT an imperial star destroyer but an Imperial stardestroyer can gut a CCS Class battle cruiser or Super Assault carrier or W/E it's called.

Mass effect can defeat the UNSC because of their faster ships. Covenant would eat the mass effect ships. SW can also eat ME ships.

Ground battles always go to SW in regular battles. IDK ME v SW just yet but because the weapons are stronger on SW weapons the kinetic barriers are gone. Spartan shields are gooone. End of story SW always comes on top because Halo has the weaker tech and better god powers and God races...as well as Super weapons like the sun crusher.

In other words stop complaining..stop with your invalid points and simply back up your arguments. I'm sick and tired of you Precursor/Flood/Forerunner God race powers activating the moment Halo loses regular fights with Halo and Mass Effect or Warhammer 40k.

  • 06.09.2011 6:41 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
biggest problem for Universe comparison is lack of continuity, the way all of the said Universes seem to change whenever something else is required to assist the 'hero', the same thing happens with Star Wars and Star Trek debates, an example of universal messing, Star Wars Star Destroyers are said to be able to put out Gigaton levels of power with their Turbo-Lasers, a Star Destroyer itself has no issues taking countless hits from these weapons, yet in Episode V (I think) a Star Destroyer gets hit by an asteroid around 1/10 the volume of the bridge section, which cripples the Destroyer, the speed its moving and the size of it, the energy released by the impact would be several Kilotons at best. so right there is a classic example of 'science' in these universes changing to suit the needs of the stories.

same thing happens in Halo countless times, Magnetic Accelerator Cannons are powerful multi-Kiloton weapons, however a Spire in Reach gets destroyed by something less than even a Kiloton yield. Pillar of Autumn survives being hit by something like eight Plasma Torpedoes in the original cut-scene without catastrophic damage, these Plasma Torpedoes are said to 'melt ships...', again altering to suit the current situation.

Star Trek is also rather guilty of the same thing, Phase Cannons for example are said to put out 500 Gigajoules of energy, which is only around 180 tons of TNT, however in the first test of the Phase Cannon we see the weapon quite simply level a mountain on an asteroid, like the whole mountain and create a substantial crater! that is more like 500 Gigatons of TNT or an ungodly amount of Joules. Photon Torpedoes and Quantum Torpedoes change yield depending on the scene as well, they are significantly more powerful than Phase Cannons, yet said to put a 'kilometre crater in an asteroid...' something we witnessed the Phase Cannons doing, so like I said inconsistent as hell!

Stargate is plagued by these continuity conundrums as well, so all I am getting at is, its not possible to compare two different universes when individually they are in internal turmoil with dramatically altering weapon power, defence power and such. even 'Canon' sources are contradicted by other 'Canon' sources, which are contradicted by Game/Film footage, see Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargate and they appear left right and centre. so I personally recommend we cut it out with the comparison threads, unless you can find some 'rock solid' foundation for comparison, otherwise its going to, like always end up in a massive flaming war.


Which is why the logical approach SHOULD be (read: should ) to go with the highest canon source.

That'd be the Mass Effect Codex, the Star Wars movies, whatever 343i says for Halo, since in game depictions of technology is limited to whatever power the engine can depict, etc..

Though those above Halo inconsistancies are as follows: The MAC rounds in Reach are fired at low power to prevent collateral damage and the Covenant did not want to destroy the Pillar of Autumn, only disable it so as to question the crew. Again, they were firing on lower settings.

I don't delve deep enough into the Trek universe to understand their weapons though.

For example, people overestimate their universe's powers all the time. Krogan skin is not that tough, the Codex says they are killable with black powder weapons. None of Star Wars' weapons are close to being that powerful, the movies time and time again contradict this with literally every shot fired, and Elites' health cannot recharge in Halo.

Nothing that is in any of the Star Trek books is canon, only the movies and TV shows (people tend to use book quotes in arguments). Really Warhammer is the only consistently overpowered universe out there.

The point I'm trying to make is that contemporary Halo (UNSC, Covenant, not including Flood), modern Star Wars (Rebel Alliance, Galactic Empire), and Mass Effect are about on par with each other. Ancient Halo (Forerunners, Precursors, Flood, Anciet Man), Ancient Star Wars (Rakatans, Celestials) and Warhammer 40K (everything) are more comparable at that point.

[Edited on 06.09.2011 6:49 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 6:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

We know next to nothing about precursors. We know what they might look like, we know they where once a massive species and we know Precursor buildings are almost indestructible. That is it. Everything else is speculation on our part.

We don't even know if they where heavily militarized. They where wiped out by the Forerunners but it never gives us details. For all we know the Precursors had a small military force and it was a massacre or they had a large military force and it was a fluke of fate that doomed them.

It can't be said that they are all powerful due to our lack of knowledge.

  • 06.09.2011 6:51 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
biggest problem for Universe comparison is lack of continuity, the way all of the said Universes seem to change whenever something else is required to assist the 'hero', the same thing happens with Star Wars and Star Trek debates, an example of universal messing, Star Wars Star Destroyers are said to be able to put out Gigaton levels of power with their Turbo-Lasers, a Star Destroyer itself has no issues taking countless hits from these weapons, yet in Episode V (I think) a Star Destroyer gets hit by an asteroid around 1/10 the volume of the bridge section, which cripples the Destroyer, the speed its moving and the size of it, the energy released by the impact would be several Kilotons at best. so right there is a classic example of 'science' in these universes changing to suit the needs of the stories.

same thing happens in Halo countless times, Magnetic Accelerator Cannons are powerful multi-Kiloton weapons, however a Spire in Reach gets destroyed by something less than even a Kiloton yield. Pillar of Autumn survives being hit by something like eight Plasma Torpedoes in the original cut-scene without catastrophic damage, these Plasma Torpedoes are said to 'melt ships...', again altering to suit the current situation.

Star Trek is also rather guilty of the same thing, Phase Cannons for example are said to put out 500 Gigajoules of energy, which is only around 180 tons of TNT, however in the first test of the Phase Cannon we see the weapon quite simply level a mountain on an asteroid, like the whole mountain and create a substantial crater! that is more like 500 Gigatons of TNT or an ungodly amount of Joules. Photon Torpedoes and Quantum Torpedoes change yield depending on the scene as well, they are significantly more powerful than Phase Cannons, yet said to put a 'kilometre crater in an asteroid...' something we witnessed the Phase Cannons doing, so like I said inconsistent as hell!

Stargate is plagued by these continuity conundrums as well, so all I am getting at is, its not possible to compare two different universes when individually they are in internal turmoil with dramatically altering weapon power, defence power and such. even 'Canon' sources are contradicted by other 'Canon' sources, which are contradicted by Game/Film footage, see Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargate and they appear left right and centre. so I personally recommend we cut it out with the comparison threads, unless you can find some 'rock solid' foundation for comparison, otherwise its going to, like always end up in a massive flaming war.


Which is why the logical approach SHOULD be (read: should ) to go with the highest canon source.

That'd be the Mass Effect Codex, the Star Wars movies, whatever 343i says for Halo, since in game depictions of technology is limited to whatever power the engine can depict, etc..

Though those above Halo inconsistancies are as follows: The MAC rounds in Reach are fired at low power to prevent collateral damage and the Covenant did not want to destroy the Pillar of Autumn, only disable it so as to question the crew. Again, they were firing on lower settings.

I don't delve deep enough into the Trek universe to understand their weapons though.

For example, people overestimate their universe's powers all the time. Krogan skin is not that tough, the Codex says they are killable with black powder weapons. None of Star Wars' weapons are close to being that powerful, the movies time and time again contradict this with literally every shot fired, and Elites' health cannot recharge in Halo.

Nothing that is in any of the Star Trek books is canon, only the movies and TV shows (people tend to use book quotes in arguments). Really Warhammer is the only consistently overpowered universe out there.


I'm sorry...but George lucas is the ultimate master of Canon for Sw and he says everything he authorizes to be made under the Starwars banner is Considered the highest form of Canon unless deemed otherwise. Which means all forms of Canon count as the highest.

Mass effect...blah.

Halo....Lacks anything actually powerful that isn't a god race or the ultimate I lose button.

Warhammer...yeah...it just wrecks everyone's front yard up.

  • 06.09.2011 6:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
We know next to nothing about precursors. We know what they might look like, we know they where once a massive species and we know Precursor buildings are almost indestructible. That is it. Everything else is speculation on our part.

We don't even know if they where heavily militarized. They where wiped out by the Forerunners but it never gives us details. For all we know the Precursors had a small military force and it was a massacre or they had a large military force and it was a fluke of fate that doomed them.

It can't be said that they are all powerful due to our lack of knowledge.


We don't even know if they were killed off. There's actually evidence suggesting the Prisoner was lying.

  • 06.09.2011 6:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Xd00999
We know next to nothing about precursors. We know what they might look like, we know they where once a massive species and we know Precursor buildings are almost indestructible. That is it. Everything else is speculation on our part.

We don't even know if they where heavily militarized. They where wiped out by the Forerunners but it never gives us details. For all we know the Precursors had a small military force and it was a massacre or they had a large military force and it was a fluke of fate that doomed them.

It can't be said that they are all powerful due to our lack of knowledge.


We don't even know if they were killed off. There's actually evidence suggesting the Prisoner was lying.


Which is why everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. He could have just made everything up to freak everyone out.

  • 06.09.2011 6:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Devils Preists

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
biggest problem for Universe comparison is lack of continuity, the way all of the said Universes seem to change whenever something else is required to assist the 'hero', the same thing happens with Star Wars and Star Trek debates, an example of universal messing, Star Wars Star Destroyers are said to be able to put out Gigaton levels of power with their Turbo-Lasers, a Star Destroyer itself has no issues taking countless hits from these weapons, yet in Episode V (I think) a Star Destroyer gets hit by an asteroid around 1/10 the volume of the bridge section, which cripples the Destroyer, the speed its moving and the size of it, the energy released by the impact would be several Kilotons at best. so right there is a classic example of 'science' in these universes changing to suit the needs of the stories.

same thing happens in Halo countless times, Magnetic Accelerator Cannons are powerful multi-Kiloton weapons, however a Spire in Reach gets destroyed by something less than even a Kiloton yield. Pillar of Autumn survives being hit by something like eight Plasma Torpedoes in the original cut-scene without catastrophic damage, these Plasma Torpedoes are said to 'melt ships...', again altering to suit the current situation.

Star Trek is also rather guilty of the same thing, Phase Cannons for example are said to put out 500 Gigajoules of energy, which is only around 180 tons of TNT, however in the first test of the Phase Cannon we see the weapon quite simply level a mountain on an asteroid, like the whole mountain and create a substantial crater! that is more like 500 Gigatons of TNT or an ungodly amount of Joules. Photon Torpedoes and Quantum Torpedoes change yield depending on the scene as well, they are significantly more powerful than Phase Cannons, yet said to put a 'kilometre crater in an asteroid...' something we witnessed the Phase Cannons doing, so like I said inconsistent as hell!

Stargate is plagued by these continuity conundrums as well, so all I am getting at is, its not possible to compare two different universes when individually they are in internal turmoil with dramatically altering weapon power, defence power and such. even 'Canon' sources are contradicted by other 'Canon' sources, which are contradicted by Game/Film footage, see Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargate and they appear left right and centre. so I personally recommend we cut it out with the comparison threads, unless you can find some 'rock solid' foundation for comparison, otherwise its going to, like always end up in a massive flaming war.


Which is why the logical approach SHOULD be (read: should ) to go with the highest canon source.

That'd be the Mass Effect Codex, the Star Wars movies, whatever 343i says for Halo, since in game depictions of technology is limited to whatever power the engine can depict, etc..

Though those above Halo inconsistancies are as follows: The MAC rounds in Reach are fired at low power to prevent collateral damage and the Covenant did not want to destroy the Pillar of Autumn, only disable it so as to question the crew. Again, they were firing on lower settings.

I don't delve deep enough into the Trek universe to understand their weapons though.

For example, people overestimate their universe's powers all the time. Krogan skin is not that tough, the Codex says they are killable with black powder weapons. None of Star Wars' weapons are close to being that powerful, the movies time and time again contradict this with literally every shot fired, and Elites' health cannot recharge in Halo.

Nothing that is in any of the Star Trek books is canon, only the movies and TV shows (people tend to use book quotes in arguments). Really Warhammer is the only consistently overpowered universe out there.


I'm sorry...but George lucas is the ultimate master of Canon for Sw and he says everything he authorizes to be made under the Starwars banner is Considered the highest form of Canon unless deemed otherwise. Which means all forms of Canon count as the highest.

Mass effect...blah.

Halo....Lacks anything actually powerful that isn't a god race or the ultimate I lose button.

Warhammer...yeah...it just wrecks everyone's front yard up.


Oh...You don't know of Star Wars' canon levels, do you?

In order from highest lowest

G-canon encompasses the movies (the ONE thing about Star Wars nobody knows about conveniantly in these debates)

T-canon encompasses all forms of television.

C-canon encompasses comics, videogames, books, etc.

I'll have to get back to you on what S-canon entails, I cant remember

and N-canon is all non-can material.

The higher up on this list you go, the stronger the canon.

A kiloton asteroid impact obliterated the bridge of a Star Destroyer in one of the movies (Empire Strikes back), while others caused some damage that had the Admiral of the fleet concerned on the Executor Super Star Destroyer, thusly flooring the power of their weapons and armor that Wars fans like to throw out.

  • 06.09.2011 6:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Xd00999
We know next to nothing about precursors. We know what they might look like, we know they where once a massive species and we know Precursor buildings are almost indestructible. That is it. Everything else is speculation on our part.

We don't even know if they where heavily militarized. They where wiped out by the Forerunners but it never gives us details. For all we know the Precursors had a small military force and it was a massacre or they had a large military force and it was a fluke of fate that doomed them.

It can't be said that they are all powerful due to our lack of knowledge.


We don't even know if they were killed off. There's actually evidence suggesting the Prisoner was lying.


Which is why everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. He could have just made everything up to freak everyone out.


Thats what I think, (he's clearly a villain) though I do believe him when he said he's a Precursir since there's no evidence against him.

  • 06.09.2011 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

What is there for a universe to "beat" another universe in? Threads like that are the equivalent of first graders saying "But my dad could beat up your dad!"

It's idiotic and childish.

  • 06.09.2011 7:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
What is there for a universe to "beat" another universe in? Threads like that are the equivalent of first graders saying "But my dad could beat up your dad!"

It's idiotic and childish.


We usually do it for fun, but it soon derails into a nerd rage fanboy fest with lots of flamming. Can blame someone for just having a fun discussion. Blame whoever starts the rage fest.

  • 06.09.2011 7:07 PM PDT


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biggest problem for Universe comparison is lack of continuity, the way all of the said Universes seem to change whenever something else is required to assist the 'hero', the same thing happens with Star Wars and Star Trek debates, an example of universal messing, Star Wars Star Destroyers are said to be able to put out Gigaton levels of power with their Turbo-Lasers, a Star Destroyer itself has no issues taking countless hits from these weapons, yet in Episode V (I think) a Star Destroyer gets hit by an asteroid around 1/10 the volume of the bridge section, which cripples the Destroyer, the speed its moving and the size of it, the energy released by the impact would be several Kilotons at best. so right there is a classic example of 'science' in these universes changing to suit the needs of the stories.

same thing happens in Halo countless times, Magnetic Accelerator Cannons are powerful multi-Kiloton weapons, however a Spire in Reach gets destroyed by something less than even a Kiloton yield. Pillar of Autumn survives being hit by something like eight Plasma Torpedoes in the original cut-scene without catastrophic damage, these Plasma Torpedoes are said to 'melt ships...', again altering to suit the current situation.

Star Trek is also rather guilty of the same thing, Phase Cannons for example are said to put out 500 Gigajoules of energy, which is only around 180 tons of TNT, however in the first test of the Phase Cannon we see the weapon quite simply level a mountain on an asteroid, like the whole mountain and create a substantial crater! that is more like 500 Gigatons of TNT or an ungodly amount of Joules. Photon Torpedoes and Quantum Torpedoes change yield depending on the scene as well, they are significantly more powerful than Phase Cannons, yet said to put a 'kilometre crater in an asteroid...' something we witnessed the Phase Cannons doing, so like I said inconsistent as hell!

Stargate is plagued by these continuity conundrums as well, so all I am getting at is, its not possible to compare two different universes when individually they are in internal turmoil with dramatically altering weapon power, defence power and such. even 'Canon' sources are contradicted by other 'Canon' sources, which are contradicted by Game/Film footage, see Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargate and they appear left right and centre. so I personally recommend we cut it out with the comparison threads, unless you can find some 'rock solid' foundation for comparison, otherwise its going to, like always end up in a massive flaming war.


Which is why the logical approach SHOULD be (read: should ) to go with the highest canon source.

That'd be the Mass Effect Codex, the Star Wars movies, whatever 343i says for Halo, since in game depictions of technology is limited to whatever power the engine can depict, etc..

Though those above Halo inconsistancies are as follows: The MAC rounds in Reach are fired at low power to prevent collateral damage and the Covenant did not want to destroy the Pillar of Autumn, only disable it so as to question the crew. Again, they were firing on lower settings.

I don't delve deep enough into the Trek universe to understand their weapons though.

For example, people overestimate their universe's powers all the time. Krogan skin is not that tough, the Codex says they are killable with black powder weapons. None of Star Wars' weapons are close to being that powerful, the movies time and time again contradict this with literally every shot fired, and Elites' health cannot recharge in Halo.

Nothing that is in any of the Star Trek books is canon, only the movies and TV shows (people tend to use book quotes in arguments). Really Warhammer is the only consistently overpowered universe out there.


I'm sorry...but George lucas is the ultimate master of Canon for Sw and he says everything he authorizes to be made under the Starwars banner is Considered the highest form of Canon unless deemed otherwise. Which means all forms of Canon count as the highest.

Mass effect...blah.

Halo....Lacks anything actually powerful that isn't a god race or the ultimate I lose button.

Warhammer...yeah...it just wrecks everyone's front yard up.


Oh...You don't know of Star Wars' canon levels, do you?

In order from highest lowest

G-canon encompasses the movies (the ONE thing about Star Wars nobody knows about conveniantly in these debates)

T-canon encompasses all forms of television.

C-canon encompasses comics, videogames, books, etc.

I'll have to get back to you on what S-canon entails, I cant remember

and N-canon is all non-can material.

The higher up on this list you go, the stronger the canon.

A kiloton asteroid impact obliterated the bridge of a Star Destroyer in one of the movies (Empire Strikes back), while others caused some damage that had the Admiral of the fleet concerned on the Executor Super Star Destroyer, thusly flooring the power of their weapons and armor that Wars fans like to throw out.


Okay so does that mean we can only use the Hard canon for the Halo universe which means the games.

Plasma not melting faces, Marines taking down insane amount of Covenant warriors.

So you say 343i doesn't have it's levels of Canon? So if they don't does that mean 1337 is an actual Spartan?

Oh oh oh...what about Halo wars? The not so plot shielded forge beating the Arrogent Ripa?

Or are you saying bungie has no power and everything they've done is erased until 343i says otherwise and makes new content?

FYI. They needed to leave the Asteriod field because they needed to contact the Emperor. If you actually watched the movies closely. Derp.

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Ahh, I think you mean the races/weapons IN SW/ME

Halo, Star Wars and Mass Effect are just compilations of books, movies, games and other media. They wouldn't do much good in battle.

  • 06.09.2011 7:09 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


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I'm sorry...but George lucas is the ultimate master of Canon for Sw and he says everything he authorizes to be made under the Starwars banner is Considered the highest form of Canon unless deemed otherwise. Which means all forms of Canon count as the highest.
That is not a good idea. There will be contradictions in the books,movies or comics, minor or major, but since they are all the highest form of canon then they are both right, because Lucas says so, and both wrong, because Lucas says so.

If, for example, Halo worked on the principle that everything with 343i's approval was canon, then Reach and TFoR would both be the highest form of canon and therefore both right and wrong.

It simply cannot work like that.

  • 06.09.2011 7:10 PM PDT