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Posted by: teekuppi
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact, that Halo fans rarely accept that 40k would defeat Haloverse without any effort?

Contemporary Halo, yes.

Forerunners, it would be the other way around.

Precursors are still mysterious, so I won't bother to open that can-o-worms yet.

I'm sure your opinion would change when the deamons get involved. Halo is basically a massive sacrifice to Khorne. Tzeencth would have a plan to destroy the Forerunners ready in a second. Nurgle's Rot and the Zombie Plague work pretty similar to the flood. As for Slaanesh, who knows? We don't have enough examples of Forerunner society to come to a conclusion.


And you instantly resort to goddamn GODS?

I have a migraine now.

  • 06.19.2011 7:31 AM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
Read this forums: Spacebattles forums again, please.

Perhaps there is too many errors and typo errors, possibly messed up on tech specs in the books? Maybe Halo Franchise should thought to make this Technical specs manual book to describe about firepower, technology, reactors, ETC... like Star Trek did have one.

And where you did get information on Covenant using fusion nuclear reactor??? Wiki is not acceptable source.


No, man, they are not in the terraton range. Assault Carriers have been calced to fire torps at the gigaton range (destroying an asteroid with no more then a ten meter chunk surviving in First Strike) but there is simply no way that they are in the TTs. It'd make 30 megaton nukes useless, yet they are quite effective.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
have read it, still doesn't change the fact that its a load of rubbish, Covenant Plasma Torpedoes are NOT in the power range. it breaks EVERYTHING in Halo fiction if that was the case and makes Halo one of those super inconsistent Universes that are terrible, weak and not well thought out. answer me these questions then:

1) how can a Marathon survive being hit by numerous Plasma Torpedoes which are 'wrongly' said to be in the trillion tons of TNT range, keep in mind the ship is armoured with Titanium (which is no wonder metal) and is ~1,200 metres long, that is like getting a ship and hitting it with all of the nuclear weapons on this planet, thousands of times over and it surviving!

2) how does a field of HORNET mines (~30 megatons) disable four shielded capital ships and destroy another twelve, even though they are what, a million times less powerful than a Plasma Torpedo?

3) how does on place the equivalent energy of a TRILLION tons of TNT into a bolt of Plasma that isn't all that large or special, keep in mind that this is all powered (at the same time as the shields) by nuclear fusion reactors which can only generate so much power?

its pointless posting that thread because its simply not possible for them to be anywhere even close to that powerful, hell not even a percent of that, magnitudes LESS powerful is the more realistic number.

I agree, Covie ships are not in teraton range.

  • 06.19.2011 7:32 AM PDT


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Posted by: Xd00999

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Posted by: teekuppi
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact, that Halo fans rarely accept that 40k would defeat Haloverse without any effort?

Contemporary Halo, yes.

Forerunners, it would be the other way around.

Precursors are still mysterious, so I won't bother to open that can-o-worms yet.

I'm sure your opinion would change when the deamons get involved. Halo is basically a massive sacrifice to Khorne. Tzeencth would have a plan to destroy the Forerunners ready in a second. Nurgle's Rot and the Zombie Plague work pretty similar to the flood. As for Slaanesh, who knows? We don't have enough examples of Forerunner society to come to a conclusion.


And you instantly resort to goddamn GODS?

I have a migraine now.


The 4 Chaos Gods cannot directly intervene in the affairs of the physical world anyway (I think). They send forth there armies, which are perfectly killable by physical means. And if the upcoming Space Marine shooter is any indicator, the standard warriors aren't too impressive (they die in a few shots, maybe in even two).

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
have read it, still doesn't change the fact that its a load of rubbish, Covenant Plasma Torpedoes are NOT in the power range. it breaks EVERYTHING in Halo fiction if that was the case and makes Halo one of those super inconsistent Universes that are terrible, weak and not well thought out. answer me these questions then:

1) how can a Marathon survive being hit by numerous Plasma Torpedoes which are 'wrongly' said to be in the trillion tons of TNT range, keep in mind the ship is armoured with Titanium (which is no wonder metal) and is ~1,200 metres long, that is like getting a ship and hitting it with all of the nuclear weapons on this planet, thousands of times over and it surviving!

2) how does a field of HORNET mines (~30 megatons) disable four shielded capital ships and destroy another twelve, even though they are what, a million times less powerful than a Plasma Torpedo?

3) how does on place the equivalent energy of a TRILLION tons of TNT into a bolt of Plasma that isn't all that large or special, keep in mind that this is all powered (at the same time as the shields) by nuclear fusion reactors which can only generate so much power?

its pointless posting that thread because its simply not possible for them to be anywhere even close to that powerful, hell not even a percent of that, magnitudes LESS powerful is the more realistic number.


Again, where you did get information on Covenant using nuclear fusion power plant or reactor?

And, if you're referring to Halo CE's first cutscene showing that PoA getting beaten by plasma torpedoes, it's likely that was low powered due to Halo ring being present and Prophets didn't want to damage it so it's probable that they used low power.

Or, if you're referring to tFoR, Only PoA suffered is two thin-like beam weapon from supercruiser. It sliced throughout Titanium-A battleplate like nothing and seriously damaged it.

And it's confirmed that frigate or destroyers can't take a plasma torpedoes. Cruisers would able, due to their super structure.

And, plasma torpedoes was calculated, based from Jericho VIII event. Also calculated from AJ in slipspace anomaly as well. It might be other events as well, I'll try to find others.

Plus, any sci-fi universe is capable of having crazy firepower or crazy stuff in it. Look at star wars or star trek as well...

IF you like, please do a calculation on plasma torpedoes and show me numbers!

EDIT: My bad, I read other posts and I forgot about asteroid event! Disregard about spacebattles forums and my arguments on teratons firepower on covies. That belongs to Forerunners, of course.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 7:42 AM PDT]

  • 06.19.2011 7:37 AM PDT


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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
have read it, still doesn't change the fact that its a load of rubbish, Covenant Plasma Torpedoes are NOT in the power range. it breaks EVERYTHING in Halo fiction if that was the case and makes Halo one of those super inconsistent Universes that are terrible, weak and not well thought out. answer me these questions then:

1) how can a Marathon survive being hit by numerous Plasma Torpedoes which are 'wrongly' said to be in the trillion tons of TNT range, keep in mind the ship is armoured with Titanium (which is no wonder metal) and is ~1,200 metres long, that is like getting a ship and hitting it with all of the nuclear weapons on this planet, thousands of times over and it surviving!

2) how does a field of HORNET mines (~30 megatons) disable four shielded capital ships and destroy another twelve, even though they are what, a million times less powerful than a Plasma Torpedo?

3) how does on place the equivalent energy of a TRILLION tons of TNT into a bolt of Plasma that isn't all that large or special, keep in mind that this is all powered (at the same time as the shields) by nuclear fusion reactors which can only generate so much power?

its pointless posting that thread because its simply not possible for them to be anywhere even close to that powerful, hell not even a percent of that, magnitudes LESS powerful is the more realistic number.


Again, where you did get information on Covenant using nuclear fusion power plant or reactor?

And, if you're referring to Halo CE's first cutscene showing that PoA getting beaten by plasma torpedoes, it's likely that was low powered due to Halo ring being present and Prophets didn't want to damage it so it's probable that they used low power.

Or, if you're referring to tFoR, Only PoA suffered is two thin-like beam weapon from supercruiser. It sliced throughout Titanium-A battleplate like nothing and seriously damaged it.

And it's confirmed that frigate or destroyers can't take a plasma torpedoes. Cruisers would able, due to their super structure.

And, plasma torpedoes was calculated, based from Jericho VIII event. Also calculated from AJ in slipspace anomaly as well. It might be other events as well, I'll try to find others.

Plus, any sci-fi universe is capable of having crazy firepower or crazy stuff in it. Look at star wars or star trek as well...

IF you like, please do a calculation on plasma torpedoes and show me numbers!


here you go (type in 3000 meters on the top if it isn't already there). The second most powerful ship cannon in the Covenant navy only hits with a force of 201.2 gigatons, a force capable of obliterating any other Covenant ship in one shot

Consider this: A standard MAC hits only with the force of 64 kilotons, an SMAC strikes with the force of 52 gigatons and yet can shatter into glittering fragments all but the most powerful Covie ship.

Stop the Bull -blam!- fanwank.

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Posted by: teekuppi
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact, that Halo fans rarely accept that 40k would defeat Haloverse without any effort?

Contemporary Halo, yes.

Forerunners, it would be the other way around.

Precursors are still mysterious, so I won't bother to open that can-o-worms yet.

I'm sure your opinion would change when the deamons get involved. Halo is basically a massive sacrifice to Khorne. Tzeencth would have a plan to destroy the Forerunners ready in a second. Nurgle's Rot and the Zombie Plague work pretty similar to the flood. As for Slaanesh, who knows? We don't have enough examples of Forerunner society to come to a conclusion.


And you instantly resort to goddamn GODS?

I have a migraine now.
Warhammer Fantasy has the God of Atheism as well. Make of that what you will.

The Necrons would trump the Forerunners. Their weapons tear material apart, one level of molecules after another. They can bend space and time. They can make world sized constructs that survived multiple Exterminatus attempts. They destroyed the Old Ones, tier 0 beings, once before and the Nightbringer slaughtered every race to the extents that his very image is ingrained into their psyche as the Grim Reaper.

Don't really feel like arguing at this point in time. Let us just call it a very, very close draw, with either side a potential victor.

@Roberto
The Chaos Gods can intervene in the physical realm but they usually let their minions do it for them. As for the deamons dieing in a few shots, that is for gameplay purposes. If a deamon is destroyed in the physical realm, it just comes back with no adverse effects.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 7:56 AM PDT]

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
have read it, still doesn't change the fact that its a load of rubbish, Covenant Plasma Torpedoes are NOT in the power range. it breaks EVERYTHING in Halo fiction if that was the case and makes Halo one of those super inconsistent Universes that are terrible, weak and not well thought out. answer me these questions then:

1) how can a Marathon survive being hit by numerous Plasma Torpedoes which are 'wrongly' said to be in the trillion tons of TNT range, keep in mind the ship is armoured with Titanium (which is no wonder metal) and is ~1,200 metres long, that is like getting a ship and hitting it with all of the nuclear weapons on this planet, thousands of times over and it surviving!

2) how does a field of HORNET mines (~30 megatons) disable four shielded capital ships and destroy another twelve, even though they are what, a million times less powerful than a Plasma Torpedo?

3) how does on place the equivalent energy of a TRILLION tons of TNT into a bolt of Plasma that isn't all that large or special, keep in mind that this is all powered (at the same time as the shields) by nuclear fusion reactors which can only generate so much power?

its pointless posting that thread because its simply not possible for them to be anywhere even close to that powerful, hell not even a percent of that, magnitudes LESS powerful is the more realistic number.


Again, where you did get information on Covenant using nuclear fusion power plant or reactor?

And, if you're referring to Halo CE's first cutscene showing that PoA getting beaten by plasma torpedoes, it's likely that was low powered due to Halo ring being present and Prophets didn't want to damage it so it's probable that they used low power.

Or, if you're referring to tFoR, Only PoA suffered is two thin-like beam weapon from supercruiser. It sliced throughout Titanium-A battleplate like nothing and seriously damaged it.

And it's confirmed that frigate or destroyers can't take a plasma torpedoes. Cruisers would able, due to their super structure.

And, plasma torpedoes was calculated, based from Jericho VIII event. Also calculated from AJ in slipspace anomaly as well. It might be other events as well, I'll try to find others.

Plus, any sci-fi universe is capable of having crazy firepower or crazy stuff in it. Look at star wars or star trek as well...

IF you like, please do a calculation on plasma torpedoes and show me numbers!


here you go (type in 3000 meters on the top if it isn't already there). The second most powerful ship cannon in the Covenant navy only hits with a force of 201.2 gigatons, a force capable of obliterating any other Covenant ship in one shot

Consider this: A standard MAC hits only with the force of 64 kilotons, an SMAC strikes with the force of 52 gigatons and yet can shatter into glittering fragments all but the most powerful Covie ship.

Stop the Bull -blam!- fanwank.


I edited my previous post. Look at last paragraph of EDIT.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 7:49 AM PDT]

  • 06.19.2011 7:48 AM PDT

Don't even think they have fire-power in the thousand megaton range to be honest, because that still totally breaks the canon. since a Covenant destroyer takes a hit from a single Plasma Torpedo in Fall of Reach (collapsing the shield) and it brings me back time and time again to the Dusk and its HORNET mines destroying all of those warships, like said before with ~30 megaton nuclear mines.

Also having fire-power like that in Halo breaks other things as well, for example shooting a planet with a MAC capable of mustering trillions of tons of TNT would be an almost extinction event, that is the reason I keep saying I don't think people fully understand what sort of energy that is being thrown around here. Even more amusing is the fact the cannon must first impart this energy into the round, so somehow (again using fusion) a warship is putting over a trillion tons of TNT worth of kinetic energy into a projectile, which keeps bringing me to the question of where the hell are they getting that amount of energy from? So would also reason that the kiloton number for MAC rounds is much more likely to be true than anything in the megaton or higher range, that is based on 600 metric ton projectile travelling at 35,000 metres/second (which is still real fast!), almost as fast as the Earth orbital velocity, and just think how much electrical power it would take to produce magnetic fields need to accelerate that sort of a projectile (with more mass than an Airbus A380!) to those sorts of speeds in ~250 metres (assuming the MAC runs around half the length of the Frigate), that is still damned impressive!

Edit: also the largest segment of Comet Schumacher Levi 9 which hit Jupiter produced around 6,000,000 megatons of TNT (6 teratons) and left a scar on Jupiter bigger than our planet!

[Edited on 06.19.2011 7:55 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: teekuppi
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact, that Halo fans rarely accept that 40k would defeat Haloverse without any effort?

Contemporary Halo, yes.

Forerunners, it would be the other way around.

Precursors are still mysterious, so I won't bother to open that can-o-worms yet.

I'm sure your opinion would change when the deamons get involved. Halo is basically a massive sacrifice to Khorne. Tzeencth would have a plan to destroy the Forerunners ready in a second. Nurgle's Rot and the Zombie Plague work pretty similar to the flood. As for Slaanesh, who knows? We don't have enough examples of Forerunner society to come to a conclusion.


And you instantly resort to goddamn GODS?

I have a migraine now.
Warhammer Fantasy has the God of Atheism as well. Make of that what you will.

The Necrons would trump the Forerunners. Their weapons tear material apart, one level of molecules after another. They can bend space and time. They can make world sized constructs that survived multiple Exterminatus attempts. They destroyed the Old Ones, tier 0 beings, once before and the Nightbringer slaughtered every race to the extents that his very image is ingrained into their psyche as the Grim Reaper.

Don't really feel like arguing at this point in time. Let us just call it a very, very close draw, with either side a potential victor.


Problem:Most of a Forerunner ship is made of hard light,and light hasn't any molecules,unless i'm wrong.And they had energy shields oh hard light too,well at least the Halo array.

-With two words Forerunner crystal

-Tomb worlds?Those planets weren't made by the necrons,they just had Tombs on 'em.Correct my possible mistakes.

-I've read about the old ones,they aren't even worthy to be at tier 0,they aren't transsentient and they just controlled the galaxy.

How powerful are Necron navy weapons anyway?

  • 06.19.2011 7:54 AM PDT


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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: teekuppi
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact, that Halo fans rarely accept that 40k would defeat Haloverse without any effort?

Contemporary Halo, yes.

Forerunners, it would be the other way around.

Precursors are still mysterious, so I won't bother to open that can-o-worms yet.

I'm sure your opinion would change when the deamons get involved. Halo is basically a massive sacrifice to Khorne. Tzeencth would have a plan to destroy the Forerunners ready in a second. Nurgle's Rot and the Zombie Plague work pretty similar to the flood. As for Slaanesh, who knows? We don't have enough examples of Forerunner society to come to a conclusion.


And you instantly resort to goddamn GODS?

I have a migraine now.
Warhammer Fantasy has the God of Atheism as well. Make of that what you will.

The Necrons would trump the Forerunners. Their weapons tear material apart, one level of molecules after another. They can bend space and time. They can make world sized constructs that survived multiple Exterminatus attempts. They destroyed the Old Ones, tier 0 beings, once before and the Nightbringer slaughtered every race to the extents that his very image is ingrained into their psyche as the Grim Reaper.

Don't really feel like arguing at this point in time. Let us just call it a very, very close draw, with either side a potential victor.


God of Atheism??????

This...sentence...is...false. don't think about it don't think about it don't think about it...

  • 06.19.2011 7:54 AM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
Don't even think they have fire-power in the thousand megaton range to be honest, because that still totally breaks the canon. since a Covenant destroyer takes a hit from a single Plasma Torpedo in Fall of Reach (collapsing the shield) and it brings me back time and time again to the Dusk and its HORNET mines destroying all of those warships, like said before with ~30 megaton nuclear mines.

Also having fire-power like that in Halo breaks other things as well, for example shooting a planet with a MAC capable of mustering trillions of tons of TNT would be an almost extinction event, that is the reason I keep saying I don't think people fully understand what sort of energy that is being thrown around here. Even more amusing is the fact the cannon must first impart this energy into the round, so somehow (again using fusion) a warship is putting over a trillion tons of TNT worth of kinetic energy into a projectile, which keeps bringing me to the question of where the hell are they getting that amount of energy from? So would also reason that the kiloton number for MAC rounds is much more likely to be true than anything in the megaton or higher range, that is based on 600 metric ton projectile travelling at 35,000 metres/second (which is still real fast!), almost as fast as the Earth orbital velocity, and just think how much electrical power it would take to produce magnetic fields need to accelerate that sort of a projectile (with more mass than an Airbus A380!) to those sorts of speeds in ~250 metres (assuming the MAC runs around half the length of the Frigate), that is still damned impressive!

Edit: also the largest segment of Comet Schumacher Levi 9 which hit Jupiter produced around 6,000,000 megatons of TNT (6 teratons) and left a scar on Jupiter bigger than our planet!


No, the Assault Carriers shoot at that range, which is perfectly within its functional role as a flying tank. The bigger ships tend to have superior firepower in Halo.

It is also canonocal (how do you spell that?) because a Covie cruiser is gutted stem to stern by an AC's torp a few pages later. Not all plasma turrets are the same.

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God of Atheism??????

This...sentence...is...false. don't think about it don't think about it don't think about it...

Worshipping him makes him weaker. He is said to wear a look of constant amusement because of the irony of his situation.

  • 06.19.2011 7:58 AM PDT

Necron weapons work through some interesting principles, a power output cannot be put on them because of their nature. Affecting targets at the molecular level, stripping them atom by atom (albeit very quickly) isn't something one can put a definitive number on. The point is by their very nature no form of defence works against them, no armour regardless of its composition (since all materials are made from atoms, they get stripped regardless), so could possibly say Forerunner ships with higher density materials for their hulls would fare slightly better than human or Covenant ships, but the difference in time would be small since Necron weapons are said to 'carve' warships apart, slicing gaping holes in them in almost no time.

Also with Necrons its being boarded that could be terrible as well, since Warriors (standard blokes) carry the same atom stripping weapons the ships carry just on a smaller scale. In one of the short stories in the back of the Codex: Necrons Space Marine power armour is said to offer no protection against even a Gauss Flayer (weakest Necron gun), so should give you an idea of how they work.

  • 06.19.2011 8:01 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

No, the Assault Carriers shoot at that range, which is perfectly within its functional role as a flying tank. The bigger ships tend to have superior firepower in Halo.

It is also canonocal (how do you spell that?) because a Covie cruiser is gutted stem to stern by an AC's torp a few pages later. Not all plasma turrets are the same.


well that sort of thing goes without saying, the same thing applies for MAC weapons, the bigger the ship the longer the barrel and the higher the reactor output, therefore the higher the muzzle velocity, within reason of course.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

No, the Assault Carriers shoot at that range, which is perfectly within its functional role as a flying tank. The bigger ships tend to have superior firepower in Halo.

It is also canonocal (how do you spell that?) because a Covie cruiser is gutted stem to stern by an AC's torp a few pages later. Not all plasma turrets are the same.


well that sort of thing goes without saying, the same thing applies for MAC weapons, the bigger the ship the longer the barrel and the higher the reactor output, therefore the higher the muzzle velocity, within reason of course.


Correct, although.

And ROBERTO jh, it is spelled as "canonical". You're welcome.

As I have been reading your posts and calculated in your link and I realize I made mistakes and I'll take it everything I said, (exempt that Halo would curbstomp Mass Effect).

  • 06.19.2011 8:22 AM PDT


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Oh look, a person riding the precursors.

"Oh, we know next to nothing about them, THEREFORE THEY WIN!"

You see, the reason Star Wars destroys Halo, is their NORMAL forces can win the war. Halo has to bring in precursors and forerunners to win.


Besides, Star Wars has the Ewoks and Gungans, they cannot be defeated.
Dont forget about the jawas.

  • 06.19.2011 8:41 AM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.

Why are we bringing in 40k and ST?

this is off topic by far, this thread has already settled the resolve that Halo > SW and ME due to flood, FRs, and Precursors.

If someone wants to they can make a "What universe beats Halo" or "What is the most powerful sci-fi universe".

  • 06.19.2011 9:00 AM PDT

Make the Angles scream and the Devil Cry

i would like to point out that( and this topic is so big i have not read it all but i have failed to see why no one has bought up the Covenant? You do realized that they are the most powerful enemy in the halo universe they can fight multiple enemies at one time destroy planets with 1 ship and not to mention they are so god dam advanced and skill and outnumber ME and SW 2X over actually the whole Covenant fleet is probably has more ships then population on the death star.also just to point out they have obliterated all who have ever come across them - humanity got a lucky brake - just saying if you gunna have this fight remember the real of the game bad guys.

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Posted by: wildnuke
Why are we bringing in 40k and ST?

this is off topic by far, this thread has already settled the resolve that Halo > SW and ME due to flood, FRs, and Precursors.


With the exception of the Q or the 31st UFP, the Forerunners annihilate ST.

With the exception of the Chaos Gods or maybe the Necrons, the Forerunners beat 40k.

The strongest sci-fi race THAT ARE NOT "ASCENDED" OR GODS would be the Xeelee.

  • 06.19.2011 9:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: wildnuke
Why are we bringing in 40k and ST?

this is off topic by far, this thread has already settled the resolve that Halo > SW and ME due to flood, FRs, and Precursors.


With the exception of the Q or the 31st UFP, the Forerunners annihilate ST.

With the exception of the Chaos Gods or maybe the Necrons, the Forerunners beat 40k.

The strongest sci-fi race THAT ARE NOT "ASCENDED" OR GODS would be the Xeelee.


*being hypocrite*

Wrong, Timelords are stronger, Spacebattles has already covered this.


http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=145379

[Edited on 06.19.2011 9:21 AM PDT]

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Posted by: uDarkWolf
>the Covenant
>destroy planets with 1 ship


What? This is... WHAT?
Can someone please correct this guy? PLEASE?

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: wildnuke
Why are we bringing in 40k and ST?

this is off topic by far, this thread has already settled the resolve that Halo > SW and ME due to flood, FRs, and Precursors.

NO "ASCENDED" OR GODS

Timelords

wut

  • 06.19.2011 9:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: uDarkWolf
>the Covenant
>destroy planets with 1 ship


What? This is... WHAT?
Can someone please correct this guy? PLEASE?


Covanent don't destroy planets just wipe the surface of life

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Posted by: uDarkWolf
i would like to point out that( and this topic is so big i have not read it all but i have failed to see why no one has bought up the Covenant? You do realized that they are the most powerful enemy in the halo universe they can fight multiple enemies at one time destroy planets with 1 ship and not to mention they are so god dam advanced and skill and outnumber ME and SW 2X over actually the whole Covenant fleet is probably has more ships then population on the death star.also just to point out they have obliterated all who have ever come across them - humanity got a lucky brake - just saying if you gunna have this fight remember the real of the game bad guys.


Well yeah. There is several problems with your arguments:

Covenant isn't all-time powerful, they can be destroyed by MAC which it generates 64 kilotons of TNT or any nukes such as NOVA, HAVOK, FURY, SHIVA, etc. (in my opinion, low end megatons of TNT would be acceptable for MAC, although, since it takes a round to obliterate the shields then second round to completely destroy the covenant ship. As plutonium said, a cluster of 30 megaton HAVOK mines at Onyx, took out ten covenant warships, heavily damaging four destroyers.)

Plasma ship-grade weapons varies heavily on covenant ships, depending on their size. Assault Carrier (Ascendant Justice) are showing to capable to dish out 202.9 Gigatons of TNT as shown to fragmenting the 3km long asteroid.

And no, it's impossible for a covenant ship to completely vaporize the planet. Other calculations have done and shown that even with 314 ships (At battle of Reach), with glassing the Reach, it would take 30 years for them to completely glass the planet. So it's pretty reasonable to see that most of covenant's plasma ship-grade weaponry generate about low gigatons of TNT to mid-high gigaton of TNT

Again, no. Before the Human-Covenant War started, Covenant only had 3,000 to 4,000 navy assets total. Entire population of Death Star is nearly 300,000 personnel on the station! You're nuts to think like that :P (This is harmless joke to you)

In conclusion, Covenant can destory ME with out any problems. However, at star wars, not a chance. SW had ridicilous firepower that'll vaporize covenant entirely! Their range of firepowers ranges from 800 gigatons of TNT to mid-high teratons of TNT!

Sorry but Covenant will lose to Star Wars. Unless you bring Forerunners/Flood to play...

  • 06.19.2011 9:27 AM PDT