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Subject: Am I the only one tired of people saying ME or SW would destroy Halo?

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: wildnuke
Why are we bringing in 40k and ST?

this is off topic by far, this thread has already settled the resolve that Halo > SW and ME due to flood, FRs, and Precursors.

NO "ASCENDED" OR GODS

Timelords

wut


Yep,well actually since timelords had the tech to ascend ,but found it was beneath themselves.....guess xeelee are the best in sentience ,but sentient timelords still win though

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  • 06.19.2011 9:28 AM PDT

BOOM HEADSHOT!

"Yay"

who doesnt love Grunt Birthday Party

I'm sorry...but George lucas is the ultimate master of Canon for Sw and he says everything he authorizes to be made under the Starwars banner is Considered the highest form of Canon unless deemed otherwise. Which means all forms of Canon count as the highest.

okay then what about lego star wars, star wars people must be made from lego then , which is very easy to break and would easily be melted by a plasma pistol
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  • 06.19.2011 10:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

We are all forgetting the Daleks! They made a bomb that could destroy all of reality, surely that counts for something?

  • 06.19.2011 11:28 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Downstreamers beat the xeelee

  • 06.19.2011 11:44 AM PDT

also, how are we not sure that a Reaper cannot junk most ships in Halo? look at what Sovereign did to those ships guarding the Citadel, just sort of pointed at them and then the ships were exploding! keep in mind that the Reapers are supposed to be the most powerful beings in the Mass Effect Universe, so they are like the Forerunner of Mass Effect. also worth noting that they can land as well and start killing masses of people on planets and what not, thought a Scarab was bad? how about a Reaper?

there are other problems with this comparison, its inevitably massively unfair to more 'realistic' universes like Mass Effect and Halo. a fair comparison, would one ever compare a world war II fighter to a modern fighter for example? could but its not a fair comparison, so instead of comparison universes based on 'numbers' and mathematics which is not working, how about find common ground and compare them on effect in their respective universes? so Alliance would be even with the likes of the humans in Halo, Reapers much more powerful, got to be better than this method of comparison...!

  • 06.19.2011 2:15 PM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

Sorry for bringing in 40k, since it results just blabla about chaos gods and few other things, which is off topic here, assuming that title still has meaning. But I couldn't resist :3

Since I noticed this thread today and so on I'm pretty much unable to join it anymore properly, I have to say that +1 for hotshot revan II, ROBERTO, xd00999, SC matt klassen and few other users for debating properly in almost every universe vs universe thread. There should be special member title for those who bother to discuss in these.

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  • 06.19.2011 2:17 PM PDT

Size matters.
In terms of scale, the Super-Carrier fielded by the Covenant makes the largest ME ship look absolutely tiny by comparison...

And High-Charity is even LARGER than that. Forunner ships are larger than a SC. A trio of them (maybe hyperbole) could wipe out the Citadel fleet with good tactics.

And since the Death Star DOES qualify as a superweapon rather than a ship-to-ship combat vehicle it would be classed against Halos. It's very clear who wins that confrontation.


And everyone knows that the UNSC fleet would curbstomp the Reapers...

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Posted by: Xd00999
We are all forgetting the Daleks! They made a bomb that could destroy all of reality, surely that counts for something?

GOP race. There's moving the initial goalposts of a debate, then there's launching them into orbit. Please don't bring Time Lords, Ascended, Xeelee, or Daleks into this.

By the way, GOP = Godlike OverPowered.

  • 06.19.2011 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

And everyone knows that the UNSC fleet would curbstomp the Reapers...

I have to defend ME on this one. It wouldn't be a curbstomp.

  • 06.19.2011 2:26 PM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
Size matters.
In terms of scale, the Super-Carrier fielded by the Covenant makes the largest ME ship look absolutely tiny by comparison...

And High-Charity is even LARGER than that. Forunner ships are larger than a SC. A trio of them (maybe hyperbole) could wipe out the Citadel fleet with good tactics.

And since the Death Star DOES qualify as a superweapon rather than a ship-to-ship combat vehicle it would be classed against Halos. It's very clear who wins that confrontation.


And everyone knows that the UNSC fleet would curbstomp the Reapers...


Size does not matter.

As I said a few pages ago. The Sheer firepower of a Tie Fighter would destroy the Covenant. Covenant Shields can withstand 5 Megatons of a concentrated energy, which would mean it would take a single fighter about 4 - 11 minutes to bring them down (If they can recharge shields while being attacked that could pose a minor problem), But where there's one TIE Fighter there's at least a dozen. Even using low end estimates a Squadron of TIE Fighters would rip through a CC-S Class Battleship in 15 seconds flat.

Size does not matter. Add to the fact that the Covenant would never nail a hit on the Tie fighters.

TIE Fighters are designed for speed and manoeuvrability, not survivability (considering their own weapons blast through Shielding so easily) They also have extremely sophisticated ECM and ECCM (far better than that of an X-Wing). Covenent weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all.

Capable of accelerations upwards of 5,000g in linear open space. In Combat their engine performance drops significantly due to the fact that TIEs are always near either a base or a fleet. Bases and Capital Ships are capable of ECM so powerful that it causes enormous spacial distortions in the area, reducing engine performance by up to 99.7% (The performance we see of Fighters in during the Battle of Yavin was them operating at a 0.3% capacity.)

Even if they do nail any hits, which is extremely doubtful, We do know however that TIE Fighters, especially interceptors (which eventually replaced the TIE Fighters entirely) can be retrofitted with Shield generators without much of an engine or weapon performance reduction (personally I'd take a terawatt from the weapons and put it into the shields, which would make them impervious to any Covenant or UNSC fighter while still being able to easily destroy them and their carrier vessels)

Tie Fighter > Covenant Battle Cruiser

  • 06.19.2011 2:30 PM PDT

+1 for just out-right banning of anything Star Wars related in this debate, to avoid ridiculous statements like the one posted above, each time one of these debates come around it gets screwed with things like that.

what is the bleeding point if each time the whole debate comes down to 'Star Wars wins because we have bigger, more impressive sounding numbers', based on what I have seen in Star Wars over the decades that statement above should be awarded some sort of award for most ridiculous statement of the week, is there such a thing? not interested in hearing how those 'pathetic' laser things on the front have whatever terawatts of power or such forth because it corresponds to nothing I have ever seen in Star Wars, not a single piece of the feature films suggest that sort of a statement can be plausible. have given up all hope for comparison threads now, all end up in the same giant tangled mess of rubbish. far as I am concerned this part of the forum has been infected with a Star Wars number orgy virus.

  • 06.19.2011 3:01 PM PDT

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I have ever seen in Star Wars, not a single piece of the feature films suggest that sort of a statement can be plausible.
Maybe because the Empire never fought the Covenant? Think before you post. If you pay attention to the films, all it takes is one shot from a fighter and the other is blown right out of the sky, a good example is Episode 4, they blew to bits after 1 shot from a fighter.

They had deflector shields that were meant to deflect laser fire, the new Interceptor received upgraded weaponry that blew through it, what makes you think that a shield that could be shot off by bullets would withstand something as power as a Tie's dual blasters?

  • 06.19.2011 3:16 PM PDT

*Sigh* I'm all for just getting rid of the vs threads overall...

I mean, Star Wars has one of the more developed techincal numbers, and all people can do is -blam!- about "How the movies, which are limited by CGI, budget, and ratings, don't show these things."

If you want numbers about star wars firepower, here. http://stardestroyer.net/tlc/

All calculations done based off the movies.

Or this article http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Beam2.html done by an mechanical engineer using Canon star wars numbers and sources.

Anyway, the real reason these topics go out of whack is all sides bring in super weapons. Regardless if it was "Imperial fleet of three star destroyers, and support craft vs Covenant fleet of 3 capital ships, and their support craft." It also goes straight to "Forerunners and precursors will win it! No, our super weapons and force will win!" Instead of using the CANON technical stats of each side alongside battle tactics.

Edit: You know what I find the most bull-blam!- about these things?

"Oh, since in the Star Wars movies they weren't shown to be super powerful when impacting military grade armor, that means they AREN'T that powerful, -blam!- all the books, tech manuals, and other -blam!-, those things lie."

"Also, since we have only vague references that forerunners couldn't scratch precursor tech, that means precursor tech is immune to nearly all damage, and they win by default."

Basically, going "Star Wars must use hard canon (the movies) only, but Halo can bring in even the vaguest EU item."

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
+1 for just out-right banning of anything Star Wars related in this debate, to avoid ridiculous statements like the one posted above, each time one of these debates come around it gets screwed with things like that.

what is the bleeding point if each time the whole debate comes down to 'Star Wars wins because we have bigger, more impressive sounding numbers', based on what I have seen in Star Wars over the decades that statement above should be awarded some sort of award for most ridiculous statement of the week, is there such a thing? not interested in hearing how those 'pathetic' laser things on the front have whatever terawatts of power or such forth because it corresponds to nothing I have ever seen in Star Wars, not a single piece of the feature films suggest that sort of a statement can be plausible. have given up all hope for comparison threads now, all end up in the same giant tangled mess of rubbish. far as I am concerned this part of the forum has been infected with a Star Wars number orgy virus.

Star Wars isn't all that impressive when compared with Cryptum.
Hell, the Forerunners could run rampant over the IoM, the Eldar, the Tyranids and the Orks (the last two only if they don't have to bother with containment paradoxes or breaches). I don't know much about the Necrons though. How would the Necrons' weapons function against hard light, which makes up 85% of a Forerunner vessel's constitution?

  • 06.19.2011 3:19 PM PDT

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What would happen if the Q get involved?

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  • 06.19.2011 3:41 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

No, the Assault Carriers shoot at that range, which is perfectly within its functional role as a flying tank. The bigger ships tend to have superior firepower in Halo.

It is also canonocal (how do you spell that?) because a Covie cruiser is gutted stem to stern by an AC's torp a few pages later. Not all plasma turrets are the same.


well that sort of thing goes without saying, the same thing applies for MAC weapons, the bigger the ship the longer the barrel and the higher the reactor output, therefore the higher the muzzle velocity, within reason of course.


Correct, although.

And ROBERTO jh, it is spelled as "canonical". You're welcome.

As I have been reading your posts and calculated in your link and I realize I made mistakes and I'll take it everything I said, (exempt that Halo would curbstomp Mass Effect).


Oh there's no question about that last bit.

  • 06.19.2011 3:43 PM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
+1 for just out-right banning of anything Star Wars related in this debate, to avoid ridiculous statements like the one posted above, each time one of these debates come around it gets screwed with things like that.

what is the bleeding point if each time the whole debate comes down to 'Star Wars wins because we have bigger, more impressive sounding numbers', based on what I have seen in Star Wars over the decades that statement above should be awarded some sort of award for most ridiculous statement of the week, is there such a thing? not interested in hearing how those 'pathetic' laser things on the front have whatever terawatts of power or such forth because it corresponds to nothing I have ever seen in Star Wars, not a single piece of the feature films suggest that sort of a statement can be plausible. have given up all hope for comparison threads now, all end up in the same giant tangled mess of rubbish. far as I am concerned this part of the forum has been infected with a Star Wars number orgy virus.

Star Wars isn't all that impressive when compared with Cryptum.
Hell, the Forerunners could run rampant over the IoM, the Eldar, the Tyranids and the Orks (the last two only if they don't have to bother with containment paradoxes or breaches). I don't know much about the Necrons though. How would the Necrons' weapons function against hard light, which makes up 85% of a Forerunner vessel's constitution?


ehh thats taking it too far though i understand there were factors with the forerunners fighting the flood that might not apply to the other races.

  • 06.19.2011 3:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Rax21
What would happen if the Qs get involved?


Paradoxes insue.

Unless the Chaos Gods, and Precursors aren't involved, then the Q win.

  • 06.19.2011 3:44 PM PDT


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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I have ever seen in Star Wars, not a single piece of the feature films suggest that sort of a statement can be plausible.
Maybe because the Empire never fought the Covenant? Think before you post. If you pay attention to the films, all it takes is one shot from a fighter and the other is blown right out of the sky, a good example is Episode 4, they blew to bits after 1 shot from a fighter.

They had deflector shields that were meant to deflect laser fire, the new Interceptor received upgraded weaponry that blew through it, what makes you think that a shield that could be shot off by bullets would withstand something as power as a Tie's dual blasters?


Pay the hell attention to Wars' on canon.

Problems:

1) Wedge Antilles survives getting a direct hit by Vader's TIE Advanced.

2) X-Wings are made of Titanium, one of the lowest melt/vaporize points in the metals list. If the TIE shot megatons, they should instantly be vaporized.

3) R2-D2 is made out of steel, yet he took a direct hit from Vader's TIE Avanced and didn't even fly apart. Conversly, he also gets hit by a pistol round in Ep VI and the same thing happens, yet on a smaller scale. He gets knocked out. This same pistol later shoots Leia in the arm leaving only a small burn mark.

3.1) In Episode 1, an R5 unit gets hit directly by a ship-to-ship turbolaser, but doesn't vaporize. It flies to pieces, yes, but does not vaporize when it should. Are TIE fighters stronger then ship cannons now?

4) All Wars weapons use explosive power as their damage dealer; you can tell by the way they act. Plasma melts, lasers cut, Wars weapons explode. Thusly, every shot fired should explode with megatonnage, gigatonnage, or terratonnage force, yet not a SINGLE shot fired in any of the movies the movies does this.

Cut the bull -blam!- fanwank. It makes people wh do this look like an ass who only goes with the highest number rather then thinks logically.

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  • 06.19.2011 3:53 PM PDT

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Why do people say planet-breakers are the smallest ships?

Also to the guy who quoted me on the force. The Y Vong didn't have the force either so they weren't directly affected.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Spartan 100
Why do people say planet-breakers are the smallest ships?



becuase that is what the book said

  • 06.19.2011 4:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan 100
Why do people say planet-breakers are the smallest ships?



becuase that is what the book said

What chapter?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan 100
Why do people say planet-breakers are the smallest ships?



becuase that is what the book said

What chapter?


I am suppose to know that off the top of my head?

Check the chapter where the go to charum hakkor or the one when they go the the prophets homeworld. Those are most likely since the ship was heavily involved, or right after didact gets out of his cryptum

  • 06.19.2011 4:59 PM PDT

Upgrading a PC is so hard. You have all these updates, and disks, and what not. When it comes to upgrading a Mac, it's easy. You just take your old Mac, throw it away, and go buy a new one!

It took me a good five minutes to stop laughing at that. Everyone knows that Star Wars would whoop Halo's sorry ass in every way, and this is coming from a Halo/Star Wars nerd. Please don't argue with me, I've read both Star Wars and Halo books multiple times. I know what I'm talking about. If a TIE fighter can beat a Super Carrier (which it can, don't push me with bringing out the facts), the Empire could definitely kill The Flood.

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.

  • 06.19.2011 5:05 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
3) R2-D2 is made out of steel, yet he took a direct hit from Vader's TIE Avanced and didn't even fly apart. Conversly, he also gets hit by a pistol round in Ep VI and the same thing happens, yet on a smaller scale. He gets knocked out. This same pistol later shoots Leia in the arm leaving only a small burn mark.

4) All Wars weapons use explosive power as their damage dealer; you can tell by the way they act. Plasma melts, lasers cut, Wars weapons explode. Thusly, every shot fired should explode with megatonnage, gigatonnage, or terratonnage force, yet not a SINGLE shot fired in any of the movies the movies does this.

Cut the bull -blam!- fanwank. It makes people who do this look like an ass who only goes with the highest number rather then thinks logically.


must correct these things.

A: R2-D2 was NOT hit by the damn stormtrooper. In episode VI, the trooper aims carefully, and hits the data port. The feedback from the port being hit by the blaster is what 'knocks out' R2-D2.

B: How do we know the shots don't result in that force? I mean, they are being shot at items which are built to withstand them (armor plating on ships, stormtrooper armor...) In IV we see Han Solo's blaster pistol destroying chunks of the landing bay wall.

If you care, look at the links I posted earlier, they are non-biased calculations using CANON numbers for Star Wars. One is based entirely from the movies.

Edit: Now, I agree a tie fighter, or a tie fighter squadron killing a Covenant cap ship by itself is stupid as hell. Covenant had advanced point defense systems which would shred the incoming fighters.

Though, about your last statement Roberto, it's half tech stats/numbers, half tactics. If you remember Devilspriest, he actually pointed out how halo could win against Star wars. Using the tech stats from the sides, he pointed out how Star wars shields don't/can't defend very well against mass driver projectiles. Meaning a MAC cannon could in theory bypass a Star Destroyer's shields and do heavy damage.

Second edit: Roberto, you must have forgotten that X-wings have shields, where basic Tie Fighters do not. That would be why R2-D2 survived, and Wedge's fighter didn't take lethal damage.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 5:12 PM PDT]

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