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  • 06.19.2011 5:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Stark
It took me a good five minutes to stop laughing at that. Everyone knows that Star Wars would whoop Halo's sorry ass in every way, and this is coming from a Halo/Star Wars nerd. Please don't argue with me, I've read both Star Wars and Halo books multiple times. I know what I'm talking about. If a TIE fighter can beat a Super Carrier (which it can, don't push me with bringing out the facts), the Empire could definitely kill The Flood.

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Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Finally! Someone who understood this! I actually put a Tie Fighter against a CCS battle cruiser earlier supported with facts if you wanted to check it out.

  • 06.19.2011 5:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Now, I agree a tie fighter, or a tie fighter squadron killing a Covenant cap ship by itself is stupid as hell. Covenant had advanced point defense systems which would shred the incoming fighters.
Do you understand how the Tie's move? They move up to 5000g, Covenant weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all. Spraying them with all weapons on board might give them a slight chance at a confirmed hit although even still, if the Tie was retrofitted with a shield generator such as the interceptor, it wouldn't be much use.

  • 06.19.2011 5:36 PM PDT
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I'm sorry but Tie fighter are capable of taking out a CSS battle-cruiser?? You're crazy!

CCS Battle-cruisers have extremely advanced point defense systems that will tear the fighters apart...

However, I'm all for banning star wars from vs debates for indefinitely because star wars can beat any sci-fi universe at ease... unless Halo brings up Forerunners or Flood, then star wars is curb-stomped. Like ROBERTO jh bought up some inconsistencies with your calculations on star wars on the movies and I recall that movies is highest point of canon standing for star wars...

Novel is more like, lowest point of canon standing in the star wars. So, i would call doubts on star wars having capability of dishing out high gigatons of TNT to single digit peratons of TNT...

  • 06.19.2011 5:36 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
I'm sorry but Tie fighter are capable of taking out a CSS battle-cruiser?? You're crazy!

CCS Battle-cruisers have extremely advanced point defense systems that will tear the fighters apart...

However, I'm all for banning star wars from vs debates for indefinitely because star wars can beat any sci-fi universe at ease... unless Halo brings up Forerunners or Flood, then star wars is curb-stomped. Like ROBERTO jh bought up some inconsistencies with your calculations on star wars on the movies and I recall that movies is highest point of canon standing for star wars...

Novel is more like, lowest point of canon standing in the star wars. So, i would call doubts on star wars having capability of dishing out high gigatons of TNT to single digit peratons of TNT...


More like, the novels are just below the movies. Even then, novel versions of the movies, and tech manuals released among the movies would hold just as high standing as the movies themselves.

Again, I kindly ask you look over those links I gave, done by an engineer using CANON sources for Star Wars.

I agree that the Covenant point defense system would tear apart incoming fighters, especially on an attack run.

Though, if these calculations using the movies and other canon star wars sources are going to be tossed out, I say toss out the EU for Halo as well. If Star Wars is only allowed to use the movies/novel versions of the movies, then halo is only allowed to use the games, and novel version of the games. Why? So that we are getting this comparison.

Star Wars can use source A.
Halo can use sources A, B, and C.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 5:41 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2011 5:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Now, I agree a tie fighter, or a tie fighter squadron killing a Covenant cap ship by itself is stupid as hell. Covenant had advanced point defense systems which would shred the incoming fighters.
Do you understand how the Tie's move? They move up to 5000g, Covenant weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all. Spraying them with all weapons on board might give them a slight chance at a confirmed hit although even still, if the Tie was retrofitted with a shield generator such as the interceptor, it wouldn't be much use.


you act as if the ship doesn't have nearly a thousand fighters

  • 06.19.2011 5:40 PM PDT

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Message from my father folks, Death Star -blam!-es.

No, Cobra. I, am your father!

  • 06.19.2011 5:41 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I have ever seen in Star Wars, not a single piece of the feature films suggest that sort of a statement can be plausible.
Maybe because the Empire never fought the Covenant? Think before you post. If you pay attention to the films, all it takes is one shot from a fighter and the other is blown right out of the sky, a good example is Episode 4, they blew to bits after 1 shot from a fighter.

They had deflector shields that were meant to deflect laser fire, the new Interceptor received upgraded weaponry that blew through it, what makes you think that a shield that could be shot off by bullets would withstand something as power as a Tie's dual blasters?


Pay the hell attention to Wars' on canon.

Problems:

1) Wedge Antilles survives getting a direct hit by Vader's TIE Advanced.

2) X-Wings are made of Titanium, one of the lowest melt/vaporize points in the metals list. If the TIE shot megatons, they should instantly be vaporized.

3) R2-D2 is made out of steel, yet he took a direct hit from Vader's TIE Avanced and didn't even fly apart. Conversly, he also gets hit by a pistol round in Ep VI and the same thing happens, yet on a smaller scale. He gets knocked out. This same pistol later shoots Leia in the arm leaving only a small burn mark.

3.1) In Episode 1, an R5 unit gets hit directly by a ship-to-ship turbolaser, but doesn't vaporize. It flies to pieces, yes, but does not vaporize when it should. Are TIE fighters stronger then ship cannons now?

4) All Wars weapons use explosive power as their damage dealer; you can tell by the way they act. Plasma melts, lasers cut, Wars weapons explode. Thusly, every shot fired should explode with megatonnage, gigatonnage, or terratonnage force, yet not a SINGLE shot fired in any of the movies the movies does this.

Cut the bull -blam!- fanwank. It makes people wh do this look like an ass who only goes with the highest number rather then thinks logically.


1. Deflector shield.

2. See above.

3.1 Funny, it's interesting to note that the MAC Gun fired in Reach at "Spire One" did NOT make a Megaton bomb like blast when in book canon, it's described to do so. Nothing has ever lived up to it's book potential in both Halo and Star Wars, although Star Wars does what they can, the vaporization of R2 would ruin the story as he is one of the main characters, he wasn't vaporized, but was damaged from the inside out.

4. Notice when an Imperial Star Destroyer is firing at the Millenium falcon they clearly explode with a condensed force around the ship. Yet again, I bring up, when has the movies or games lived up to their true potential?

  • 06.19.2011 5:42 PM PDT


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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Now, I agree a tie fighter, or a tie fighter squadron killing a Covenant cap ship by itself is stupid as hell. Covenant had advanced point defense systems which would shred the incoming fighters.
Do you understand how the Tie's move? They move up to 5000g, Covenant weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all. Spraying them with all weapons on board might give them a slight chance at a confirmed hit although even still, if the Tie was retrofitted with a shield generator such as the interceptor, it wouldn't be much use.


you act as if the ship doesn't have nearly a thousand fighters
Hardly a threat. If their shields are shrugged off by UNSC anti-air guns with primitive bullets, Tie Interceptor laser bolts will prove to shoot through them like butter.

  • 06.19.2011 5:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Now, I agree a tie fighter, or a tie fighter squadron killing a Covenant cap ship by itself is stupid as hell. Covenant had advanced point defense systems which would shred the incoming fighters.
Do you understand how the Tie's move? They move up to 5000g, Covenant weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all. Spraying them with all weapons on board might give them a slight chance at a confirmed hit although even still, if the Tie was retrofitted with a shield generator such as the interceptor, it wouldn't be much use.


you act as if the ship doesn't have nearly a thousand fighters
Hardly a threat. If their shields are shrugged off by UNSC anti-air guns with primitive bullets, Tie Interceptor laser bolts will prove to shoot through them like butter.


But hundreds of banshees,spirits,phantoms, and seraphs all attacking a single tie fighter would surly win especially with a CCS class in the background.

  • 06.19.2011 5:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I have ever seen in Star Wars, not a single piece of the feature films suggest that sort of a statement can be plausible.
Maybe because the Empire never fought the Covenant? Think before you post. If you pay attention to the films, all it takes is one shot from a fighter and the other is blown right out of the sky, a good example is Episode 4, they blew to bits after 1 shot from a fighter.

They had deflector shields that were meant to deflect laser fire, the new Interceptor received upgraded weaponry that blew through it, what makes you think that a shield that could be shot off by bullets would withstand something as power as a Tie's dual blasters?


Pay the hell attention to Wars' on canon.

Problems:

1) Wedge Antilles survives getting a direct hit by Vader's TIE Advanced.

2) X-Wings are made of Titanium, one of the lowest melt/vaporize points in the metals list. If the TIE shot megatons, they should instantly be vaporized.

3) R2-D2 is made out of steel, yet he took a direct hit from Vader's TIE Avanced and didn't even fly apart. Conversly, he also gets hit by a pistol round in Ep VI and the same thing happens, yet on a smaller scale. He gets knocked out. This same pistol later shoots Leia in the arm leaving only a small burn mark.

3.1) In Episode 1, an R5 unit gets hit directly by a ship-to-ship turbolaser, but doesn't vaporize. It flies to pieces, yes, but does not vaporize when it should. Are TIE fighters stronger then ship cannons now?

4) All Wars weapons use explosive power as their damage dealer; you can tell by the way they act. Plasma melts, lasers cut, Wars weapons explode. Thusly, every shot fired should explode with megatonnage, gigatonnage, or terratonnage force, yet not a SINGLE shot fired in any of the movies the movies does this.

Cut the bull -blam!- fanwank. It makes people wh do this look like an ass who only goes with the highest number rather then thinks logically.


1. Deflector shield.

2. See above.

3.1 Funny, it's interesting to note that the MAC Gun fired in Reach at "Spire One" did NOT make a Megaton bomb like blast when in book canon, it's described to do so. Nothing has ever lived up to it's book potential in both Halo and Star Wars, although Star Wars does what they can, the vaporization of R2 would ruin the story as he is one of the main characters, he wasn't vaporized, but was damaged from the inside out.

4. Notice when an Imperial Star Destroyer is firing at the Millenium falcon they clearly explode with a condensed force around the ship. Yet again, I bring up, when has the movies or games lived up to their true potential?


Do you realize that it had to fire in low power, right? Because UNSC ground forces were nearby and if it were to be fired in full power, it'd devastate covenant forces, also causing massive friendly fire as well! Uh what? MAC's firepower of TNT isn't in range of MT, its range of KT.

  • 06.19.2011 5:48 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Now, I agree a tie fighter, or a tie fighter squadron killing a Covenant cap ship by itself is stupid as hell. Covenant had advanced point defense systems which would shred the incoming fighters.
Do you understand how the Tie's move? They move up to 5000g, Covenant weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all. Spraying them with all weapons on board might give them a slight chance at a confirmed hit although even still, if the Tie was retrofitted with a shield generator such as the interceptor, it wouldn't be much use.


you act as if the ship doesn't have nearly a thousand fighters
Hardly a threat. If their shields are shrugged off by UNSC anti-air guns with primitive bullets, Tie Interceptor laser bolts will prove to shoot through them like butter.


But hundreds of banshees,spirits,phantoms, and seraphs all attacking a single tie fighter would surly win especially with a CCS class in the background.
As I said, when there is a single tie fighter, there is a dozen with it, Considering the numbers, I'll give they would probably end up losing, although, the Covenant would suffer heavy casualties.

  • 06.19.2011 5:50 PM PDT

Posted by: raganok99
Uh what? MAC's firepower of TNT isn't in range of MT, its range of KT.
Before it was retconned to a mere KT which gives the Empire an even bigger upper hand.

  • 06.19.2011 5:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?



Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Now, I agree a tie fighter, or a tie fighter squadron killing a Covenant cap ship by itself is stupid as hell. Covenant had advanced point defense systems which would shred the incoming fighters.[/quote]Do you understand how the Tie's move? They move up to 5000g, Covenant weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all. Spraying them with all weapons on board might give them a slight chance at a confirmed hit although even still, if the Tie was retrofitted with a shield generator such as the interceptor, it wouldn't be much use.


you act as if the ship doesn't have nearly a thousand fighters
Hardly a threat. If their shields are shrugged off by UNSC anti-air guns with primitive bullets, Tie Interceptor laser bolts will prove to shoot through them like butter.


But hundreds of banshees,spirits,phantoms, and seraphs all attacking a single tie fighter would surly win especially with a CCS class in the background.
As I said, when there is a single tie fighter, there is a dozen with it, Considering the numbers, I'll give they would probably end up losing, although, the Covenant would suffer heavy casualties.


"when there is a single tie fighter, there is a dozen with it"

I am now confused becuase that means we are talking about 13 fighters not 1.

  • 06.19.2011 5:51 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
"when there is a single tie fighter, there is a dozen with it"

I am now confused becuase that means we are talking about 13 fighters not 1.
When did I ever say just 1? I recall claiming I said that it would take about 11 minutes for a single Tie to take down the Covenant shields, but I do not recall it attacking alone.

  • 06.19.2011 5:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I would also like to point out that Eldar can shift planets just like the Forerunners. The Dark Eldar also stole a bunch of stars when Commoragh needed a new heat/light source.

  • 06.19.2011 5:58 PM PDT

If the Covenant ship can easily use it's point defense system to destroy swarms of missiles, I'm fairly sure they can take out a tie fighter squadron.

  • 06.19.2011 6:05 PM PDT

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Why do people say planet-breakers are the smallest ships?



becuase that is what the book said

What chapter?


I am suppose to know that off the top of my head?

Check the chapter where the go to charum hakkor or the one when they go the the prophets homeworld. Those are most likely since the ship was heavily involved, or right after didact gets out of his cryptum

[>_<] No you do it...
I shouldn't be the one checking your claims like that.

  • 06.19.2011 6:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If the Covenant ship can easily use it's point defense system to destroy swarms of missiles, I'm fairly sure they can take out a tie fighter squadron.
Do those missiles have deflector shields and move at 5000g with maximum maneuverability and momentum?

  • 06.19.2011 6:11 PM PDT
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NO GODS OR ASCENDED BEINGS
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What would happen if the Q get involved?

*facegalaxy*

  • 06.19.2011 6:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xd00999
I would also like to point out that Eldar can shift planets just like the Forerunners. The Dark Eldar also stole a bunch of stars when Commoragh needed a new heat/light source.

Can they BUILD said planets and stars?

  • 06.19.2011 6:22 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If the Covenant ship can easily use it's point defense system to destroy swarms of missiles, I'm fairly sure they can take out a tie fighter squadron.
Do those missiles have deflector shields and move at 5000g with maximum maneuverability and momentum?


Tie fighters have no shields.

Tie Defenders, as I know, are the first to have any decent shielding.

Also, top speed is not top combat speed. When in combat you have to slow down or else you would overshoot with every shot.

Just checked, not even Tie Interceptors went past 4,300 g max acceleration.

[Edited on 06.19.2011 6:28 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2011 6:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Stark
It took me a good five minutes to stop laughing at that. Everyone knows that Star Wars would whoop Halo's sorry ass in every way, and this is coming from a Halo/Star Wars nerd. Please don't argue with me, I've read both Star Wars and Halo books multiple times. I know what I'm talking about. If a TIE fighter can beat a Super Carrier (which it can, don't push me with bringing out the facts), the Empire could definitely kill The Flood.


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  • 06.19.2011 6:26 PM PDT

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I'm advancing my fan fiction at a really slow pace but I might need help a bit.

Where would Bornstellar go to in Coruscant to gather information during the imperial era?

  • 06.19.2011 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
I would also like to point out that Eldar can shift planets just like the Forerunners. The Dark Eldar also stole a bunch of stars when Commoragh needed a new heat/light source.

Can they BUILD said planets and stars?



No, their biggest creations are Craftworlds. Eldar isn't as powerfull as people seem to think, since their numbers are so low. Also, their gods are dead ( Many gods ), weak ( Khaine, Isha ) or prisoned ( Isha ), though there is Cegorach alive in the webway. Because of the webway and the black library of chaos, it's highly unlikely that any race could be able to defeat them, expect omnipotent ones.

Hmm, has the new Dark eldar codex changed their fluff so much that they're now able to steal stars? If it has, please give me a quote.

  • 06.20.2011 12:48 AM PDT