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Subject: Am I the only one tired of people saying ME or SW would destroy Halo?

exactly, that is basically what I was trying to say, something happens to Sovereign when it looses its avatar (Saren), it doesn't fall to weapons fire since it appeared to be having zero effect, it only looses its shields and becomes inoperable immediately after the death of Saren! this is the sort of thing that has made me think that everyone wholly underestimates the Reapers, it didn't fire outside the station in the battle, because it simply didn't need to, it couldn't be hurt by the 'primitive' technologies used by the other races. also can't believe nobody is astounded by the fact that a DEAD Reaper managed to still generate an enormous Mass Effect field and full shield millions and millions of years after whatever happened, happened! and it was deep inside the gravity well of a gas giant to boot!

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
what the crap? Reapers DO use shields, how the hell can you debate that? when you board the Derelict Reaper you get trapped because of the SHIELD, watch the Mass Effect 3 Trailer the Reapers are getting shot from tons of crap from the ground, nothing of which is touching it because of what looks like a SHIELD?

hundreds of Reapers, again what the hell? watch the Mass Effect 3 news broadcast trailer, the dude mentions THOUSANDS of Reapers above 'Europe', not hundreds, thousands! no bleeding 'faking' number or what not, the source is the OFFICIAL trailer.

Sovereigns weapon WILL be substantially more powerful than those used by the other races, the logic for this? the THANIX cannons on Normandy were only made thanks to studying the remains of Sovereign and work using the same concept except compared to Sovereigns gun they are tiny, tiny things and some shots are meant to be able to take out a Collector ship, which are fairly large. in the exact same way that a Gauss cannon on the back of a Warthog is the same technology as a MAC on a ship, which is more powerful? its the exact same argument! also the Codex states that the THANIX cannon accelerates its molten projectile to a 'fraction the speed of light', now 1% isn't really a fraction, well it is 1/100 but can't think of any time that fractions are used that way, that usually gets called percentage, also mention of 'relativistic velocities', take that as you like.

also how is it my own 'personal opinion' on how Sovereign was defeated? have you ever played the game? it goes from effortlessly annihilating the Alliance ships, like pest control whilst soaking up whatever they launch at it to unshielded, not firing and randomly falling from the tower and then the Alliance dudes proceed to say 'its SHIELD! is down...now is our chance...' again further making me think 'what the ****?' with the argument they have no shield? but yes, it goes from being fine one second to falling off the tower without shields the next, this seems to tie in with killing Saren. so again how can you doubt that killing the possessed corpse of Saren did something to Sovereign?

also afraid of a fight? don't forget Sovereign decided it was going to attack one of the heaviest defended stations in the Mass Effect universe and appeared to take no damage, also in the Mass Effect 3 trailer invading Earth suggest they aren't scared of a fight, since the humans seem incapable of damaging them! also wiped out the Protheans, which the Protheans were powerless to stop or even slow down by the sounds of things.

also another important point that is being 'conveniently' forgotten is the fact the Reapers don't just wipe things out, they harvest. now which takes longer, harvesting a crop field or flattening it with a daisy cutter? why would it take them so long to destroy the Protheans, maybe they weren't in any hurry? they do after-all seem to be almost eternal, like Sovereign says they have no beginning and no end, they just are. also what makes you think Sovereign was over-estimating Reaper numbers, what motive does it have? similar to the dude at the end of Cryptum saying 'I am the last Precursor...' what is so hard to understand about that?

finally nobody has made any calculations about Sovereign or the Reapers, how can you calculate something that isn't understood? there is no hard evidence to suggest what Sovereigns main weapon was capable of, its all based on what is known of the Reapers, their technological level and such. I find it damned right ignorant to accuse me of that sort of crap when you are doing the exact same bloody thing with the Forerunner, there is absolutely sweet bollocks to give much of an indications of how powerful their weapons are. just remember for a second that misinterpretation/assumption is the mother of all -blam!- ups!


post a link to reaper shielding the because with the dead reaper you get stuck in the mass effect field joker even states the field is up when you first go to it, and those are most likely the reaper improved version of kinetic fields or mass effect barriers. everything in mass effect is mass effect based which is why they don't have shields that compare to anything in halo and is why they can't stand up to halo. plasma would rip right through the fields and i doubt the fields could hold up against a mac round.

hahahah HAHAHAHA are you kidding me? the mass effect news broadcast was talking about thousands of ships massing up to fight the reapers, not saying the reapers have thousands of ships. not to mention if somebody were to count the number of reapers falling to earth it wouldn't even be 100. though i am not saying they don't have over 100 ships.

the molten slack isn't going to phase hard light, i don't know how shields would react to that, and i am sure the alloy of the UNSC ships would be hurt by it. +1 for you

Obviously i played the game since i corrected you. and i am completely fine with this fact now. this pretty much says that the reapers are no where near as advanced as cortana or any other UNSC AI if they can't multi task, he should have been able to control saren and attack at the same time. nor should it take his full attention to control a single turian.

yes they are afraid of a fight because they have been attacking races for eons by sneaking in the back door.

Before they were even aware they were under attack, the Prothean government was killed and all communications were severed. With the Citadel, the Reapers had control of the relay network, and soon isolated Prothean systems from one another. Worse, records on the Citadel provided the Reapers with access to all of the Protheans' census data and star charts, allowing them to effectively track every Prothean in the galaxy.
again i am fine with this fact seeing how this will probably be the first time in ages that the reapers directly fought a race and i am sure the game is going to have us win which proves my point. they can not survive a direct confrontation. put them up against the covenant (whose ships and power output dwarf reapers) and lets see what will happen.)

I don't think he was lieing i think he was figuratively speaking and that you are taking him too literally. the races in mass effect don't have really large fleets so it wouldn't be right for the reapers to have thousands of ships when they could only amuster a few hundred if one thousand.

And the prisoner could be taking credit for events that he couldn't control be speaking as if he does. much like somebody epically F****** you and them getting in a car accident later down the road with you saying (that is what you get). that is pretty much what is/could be going on. but an eternal being doesn't have a reason to lie given his circumstances, the same can not be said about the reapers.

we know the principles of mass effect greatly and the reapers are not going to be an exception since they created the technology. we also know the output for UNSC and covenant weapons, so if sovereign can get killed by a sub kilo missile than it is not going to be a long fight with mass effect.

We have clear examples,sizes, and demonstrations of forerunner technology. and roberto roughly calculated some of their output on this page, the forerunners are covered and they would kill mass effect. seriously, 1 fortress class ship would be enough with current information.
the reapers and covenant would be a decent fight (if in the haloverse) and the alliance and UNSC would be fairly "even" (in the haloverse). Mass effect races are greatly crippled by mass effect technology/laws which i posted in this thread.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
also can't believe nobody is astounded by the fact that a DEAD Reaper managed to still generate an enormous Mass Effect field and full shield millions and millions of years after whatever happened, happened! and it was deep inside the gravity well of a gas giant to boot!


becuase that isn't new to ScFi whatsoever and it didn't have shields

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Posted by: Xd00999
Cryptum never gave an exact time for the length of the attack on the Halos, however, it would be safe to assume it was longer then 3 seconds.

Why?

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Posted by: grey101

hahahah HAHAHAHA are you kidding me? the mass effect news broadcast was talking about thousands of ships massing up to fight the reapers


When did the Alliance get anywhere close to three hundred ships, let alone thousands? I call hyperbole.

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Posted by: Xd00999
Cryptum never gave an exact time for the length of the attack on the Halos, however, it would be safe to assume it was longer then 3 seconds.

Why?


Exactly,the autumns detonation was a chain reaction.A massive explosion led to the weak point.Now the destruction of the rings in Cryptum wasn't even a chain reaction,it destroyed it with sheer brute strenght alone,even when the rings were protected by hard light shields or waves.

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Posted by: grey101

hahahah HAHAHAHA are you kidding me? the mass effect news broadcast was talking about thousands of ships massing up to fight the reapers


When did the Alliance get anywhere close to three hundred ships, let alone thousands? I call hyperbole.


I don't know and this is another factor i have been pushing against mass effect, the lack of scale in comparasion.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh look, a person riding the precursors.

"Oh, we know next to nothing about them, THEREFORE THEY WIN!"

You see, the reason Star Wars destroys Halo, is their NORMAL forces can win the war. Halo has to bring in precursors and forerunners to win.


Jedi aren't bullet proof. in reality Spartans armor is suppose to be.

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Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Xd00999
Cryptum never gave an exact time for the length of the attack on the Halos, however, it would be safe to assume it was longer then 3 seconds.

Why?


Exactly,the autumns detonation was a chain reaction.A massive explosion led to the weak point.Now the destruction of the rings in Cryptum wasn't even a chain reaction,it destroyed it with sheer brute strenght alone,even when the rings were protected by hard light shields or waves.

I am not saying that the Forerunners aren't strong, I am just saying that the destruction of the Rings in Cryptum was mostly from the weapons of the Forerunners and partially from the rings tearing themselves apart.

@ Grey: Sovereign could multitask, it was the fact that he was killed that stunned him. He is immortal and invincible. He has never fallen in battle and will not fall to these "humans". Then 3 people kill him. He is defeated by creatures beneath his notice. When you are killed after millions of years of invincibility, you would be shaken up a little.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Xd00999
Cryptum never gave an exact time for the length of the attack on the Halos, however, it would be safe to assume it was longer then 3 seconds.

Why?


Exactly,the autumns detonation was a chain reaction.A massive explosion led to the weak point.Now the destruction of the rings in Cryptum wasn't even a chain reaction,it destroyed it with sheer brute strenght alone,even when the rings were protected by hard light shields or waves.



@ Grey: Sovereign could multitask, it was the fact that he was killed that stunned him. He is immortal and invincible. He has never fallen in battle and will not fall to these "humans". Then 3 people kill him. He is defeated by creatures beneath his notice. When you are killed after millions of years of invincibility, you would be shaken up a little.


no matter what you say about it nothing changes, that is cool story wise but it is killing mass effect in this thread. and supporting the direct fighting point.

  • 06.22.2011 8:39 AM PDT

Deal with it.

Precursors are 60 feet tall and 44 feet wide (or at least the Prisoner of Harrum Chakkor was) Thats pretty big, the also had a tail coming from their heads that had a meter long barb on the end of it. they could definitely do some damage, they also live for millions of years, so guerilla campaigns would be impossible to win against them.

However it is said that the forerunner rose up and destroyed them millions of years before.

Point being; Halo wins, because its halo. If that statement doesn't make any sense to you, don't visit bungie.net where halo wins, period. No if's, and's, or but's.

seriously, go somewhere else to defend your miserable red-shirts and padawans.

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Posted by: wonderbreadd
Precursors are 60 feet tall and 44 feet wide (or at least the Prisoner of Harrum Chakkor was) Thats pretty big, the also had a tail coming from their heads that had a meter long barb on the end of it. they could definitely do some damage, they also live for millions of years, so guerilla campaigns would be impossible to win against them.

However it is said that the forerunner rose up and destroyed them millions of years before.

Point being; Halo wins, because its halo. If that statement doesn't make any sense to you, don't visit bungie.net where halo wins, period. No if's, and's, or but's.

seriously, go somewhere else to defend your miserable red-shirts and padawans.


" a tail coming from it's head"? you clearly got that wrong and we don't know how long precursors live for, the thing was pretty much in cryo for millions of years not actually up and about.

Halo wins becuase it is bigger than mass effect not becuase it is halo.

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Posted by: wonderbreadd

Point being; Halo wins, because its halo. If that statement doesn't make any sense to you, don't visit bungie.net where halo wins, period. No if's, and's, or but's.

seriously, go somewhere else to defend your miserable red-shirts and padawans.


WANKER

Go cry in the corner. Contemporary Halo is slaughtered, Forerunner tears it's way through most canons that do not have Cultier civilizations/Ascended beings/gods.

Precursors are still WAY too shrouded in mystery to be used in vs debates.

  • 06.22.2011 10:23 AM PDT

Ugh, I see it now. Forerunners will be the new death star.

"Oh, your winning the debate, WELL WE'LL BRING IN FORERUNNERS AND PRESS OUR IWIN BUTTON!"

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GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ugh, I see it now. Forerunners will be the new death star.

"Oh, your winning the debate, WELL WE'LL BRING IN FORERUNNERS AND PRESS OUR IWIN BUTTON!"

It's like bringing Hitler in.

On topic. Culture war-spec Systems class GSV. GOML

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On topic. Culture war-spec Systems class GSV. GOML


The heck does that mean?

Personally, I find this "culture level civilization" to be amusing as hell. Every civilization has culture, so why is that suddenly the greatest level of power?

  • 06.22.2011 11:49 AM PDT

I stopped reading the original post after the comment about Halo not being beaten by any series...Even Star Wars...Them sir, is fightin' words.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Orphius_Rex
On topic. Culture war-spec Systems class GSV. GOML


The heck does that mean?

Personally, I find this "culture level civilization" to be amusing as hell. Every civilization has culture, so why is that suddenly the greatest level of power?

It's the name of a book series where several species are massively advanced. It's the series name not culture as we use it today. Could choose a better title for that level of tech though.

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Orphius_Rex
On topic. Culture war-spec Systems class GSV. GOML


The heck does that mean?

Personally, I find this "culture level civilization" to be amusing as hell. Every civilization has culture, so why is that suddenly the greatest level of power?

It's the name of a book series where several species are massively advanced. It's the series name not culture as we use it today. Could choose a better title for that level of tech though.


Yeah, something more descriptive would be better.

  • 06.22.2011 12:55 PM PDT

nobody is using the obvious answer to this arguement, the halo ring kills every living being.

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Posted by: RagedSycokiller
nobody is using the obvious answer to this arguement, the halo ring kills every living being.


Aha, but could it kill Darth Sion of Star Wars?

A person kept alive through his sheer rage and the dark side of the force, no matter how many times you kill him.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RagedSycokiller
nobody is using the obvious answer to this arguement, the halo ring kills every living being.


Aha, but could it kill Darth Sion of Star Wars?

A person kept alive through his sheer rage and the dark side of the force, no matter how many times you kill him.

could u post a link of who he is, i have only known star wars cause of family guy. Also, shield worlds would protect us from halo array

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RagedSycokiller
nobody is using the obvious answer to this arguement, the halo ring kills every living being.


Aha, but could it kill Darth Sion of Star Wars?

A person kept alive through his sheer rage and the dark side of the force, no matter how many times you kill him.

could u post a link of who he is, i have only known star wars cause of family guy. Also, shield worlds would protect us from halo array

The God-Emperor provides.

I am more than willing to reintroduce 40k in this discussion, but I have yet to figure out a way to convert Thules to Joules. My personal thoughts (and those of Relic fans) are that Thules are an Imperial corruption of Joules. This is supported by the fact that they are pronounced similarly and the words are not that different in spelling. The Imperium has a history of corrupting words (ex. Nova York, Xires, Germania etc.).

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