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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Wow i am totally gonna own your @$$ right here. Ready?

Flood VS Zerg from Star craft.
Zerg are in the trillions and a single zergling will own any flood. Never mind Hydras/Mutas/ Queens/ Cerebrates, Ultralisk LMFAO LURKERS LOL
Hell, I dont think the Flood will make a Dent in the ZERG.
not to mention, Zerg have their OWN form of master, I.E. Sarah Karrigan OR Overmind.


U.N.S.C. VS Star Fleet.
ALL unsc ships armor would be entirely useless to Phasers as they would cut them like butter. Photons, QUANTUM torpedoes that could prolly blow a Halcyon in half in 1 shot, not to mention Advanced shielding that put the covenant to shame.

Hell, the defiant and Enterprise E could prolly take on the entire UNSC fleet. LOL

Covenant VS BORG From Star Trek.
A single Borg cube has the power to Decimate an Entire planet. With invasive transporters and warpdrive, and assimilating THOUSANDS of species into their collective, As well, more than 2.5 million ships at their dispense, as well, ADAPTING to weapons both infantry and SHIPS, Covies would be SOOO FREAKEN BONED its not funny.



You Fail.
=)

  • 06.09.2011 9:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
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Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

The star forge in the right hands is unbeatable.

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Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Wow i am totally gonna own your @$$ right here. Ready?

Flood VS Zerg from Star craft.
Zerg are in the trillions and a single zergling will own any flood. Never mind Hydras/Mutas/ Queens/ Cerebrates, Ultralisk LMFAO LURKERS LOL
Hell, I dont think the Flood will make a Dent in the ZERG.
not to mention, Zerg have their OWN form of master, I.E. Sarah Karrigan OR Overmind.


U.N.S.C. VS Star Fleet.
ALL unsc ships armor would be entirely useless to Phasers as they would cut them like butter. Photons, QUANTUM torpedoes that could prolly blow a Halcyon in half in 1 shot, not to mention Advanced shielding that put the covenant to shame.

Hell, the defiant and Enterprise E could prolly take on the entire UNSC fleet. LOL

Covenant VS BORG From Star Trek.
A single Borg cube has the power to Decimate an Entire planet. With invasive transporters and warpdrive, and assimilating THOUSANDS of species into their collective, As well, more than 2.5 million ships at their dispense, as well, ADAPTING to weapons both infantry and SHIPS, Covies would be SOOO FREAKEN BONED its not funny.



You Fail.
=)


Look here, folks. This is classic example of blind fanboys who loves their series to death and tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence.

  • 06.09.2011 9:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

To Zeroexe,

Your wall is non-sense. It just seems like you are a star trek nerd. The covenant would utterly destroy the BORG, one plasma beam would utterly rip through their cube. The Flood would utterly destroy your litter zergs, the flood don't fight with power by themselves, they infect what they can and after the said host gets infected they become even stronger, so the zerg would be all infected within no time.

  • 06.09.2011 9:23 PM PDT

If truth, the borg could be wiped out by the UNSC. They cannot adapt to projectile weapons.

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Posted by: colbyrules8
To Zeroexe,

Your wall is non-sense. It just seems like you are a star trek nerd. The covenant would utterly destroy the BORG, one plasma beam would utterly rip through their cube. The Flood would utterly destroy your litter zergs, the flood don't fight with power by themselves, they infect what they can and after the said host gets infected they become even stronger, so the zerg would be all infected within no time.
Zerg are also much smaller (number wise) as they are confined to one single sector of the galaxy whereas the Flood are spread throughout the galaxy and have defeated the Forerunners and indirectly resulted in the fall of Humanity.

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Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Wow i am totally gonna own your @$$ right here. Ready?

Flood VS Zerg from Star craft.
Zerg are in the trillions and a single zergling will own any flood. Never mind Hydras/Mutas/ Queens/ Cerebrates, Ultralisk LMFAO LURKERS LOL
Hell, I dont think the Flood will make a Dent in the ZERG.
not to mention, Zerg have their OWN form of master, I.E. Sarah Karrigan OR Overmind.


U.N.S.C. VS Star Fleet.
ALL unsc ships armor would be entirely useless to Phasers as they would cut them like butter. Photons, QUANTUM torpedoes that could prolly blow a Halcyon in half in 1 shot, not to mention Advanced shielding that put the covenant to shame.

Hell, the defiant and Enterprise E could prolly take on the entire UNSC fleet. LOL

Covenant VS BORG From Star Trek.
A single Borg cube has the power to Decimate an Entire planet. With invasive transporters and warpdrive, and assimilating THOUSANDS of species into their collective, As well, more than 2.5 million ships at their dispense, as well, ADAPTING to weapons both infantry and SHIPS, Covies would be SOOO FREAKEN BONED its not funny.



You Fail.
=)


Look here, folks. This is classic example of blind fanboys who loves their series to death and tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence.


So because i found the statement "Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood." Incorrect and chose to share my answer, i am fan boy?

You sir are a tool. If you would like, i can find species from other sci fi universes that could -blam!- things from halo?

-How about those bug creatures from STAR SHIP TROOPERS? They would destroy the flood BAAAAD.
-How about Scilons From BSG? They would pwn the UNSC.
-How about The Galactic Empire from Star wars? I doubt the covenant would stand a chance.

"tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence. "

What, you mean you want me to break down every segment of each category and explain to your tiny mind why i reason the ignorance of the OP's post? Would you like website links too?? With colorful pictures?

lol noob.

  • 06.09.2011 9:30 PM PDT


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Posted by: colbyrules8
To Zeroexe,

Your wall is non-sense. It just seems like you are a star trek nerd. The covenant would utterly destroy the BORG, one plasma beam would utterly rip through their cube. The Flood would utterly destroy your litter zergs, the flood don't fight with power by themselves, they infect what they can and after the said host gets infected they become even stronger, so the zerg would be all infected within no time.
Zerg are also much smaller (number wise) as they are confined to one single sector of the galaxy whereas the Flood are spread throughout the galaxy and have defeated the Forerunners and indirectly resulted in the fall of Humanity.


Argueably though, the zerg could capture a single flood, and infect it with the zerg hyper-evolutionary virus. The resulting immunity could be spread through the entire zerg, or a variant of the flood unleashed that would infect the normal flood to server the overmind/Kerrigan.

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Posted by: colbyrules8
To Zeroexe,

Your wall is non-sense. It just seems like you are a star trek nerd. The covenant would utterly destroy the BORG, one plasma beam would utterly rip through their cube. The Flood would utterly destroy your litter zergs, the flood don't fight with power by themselves, they infect what they can and after the said host gets infected they become even stronger, so the zerg would be all infected within no time.


*facepalm*

An im the fanboy? LOL

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: colbyrules8
To Zeroexe,

Your wall is non-sense. It just seems like you are a star trek nerd. The covenant would utterly destroy the BORG, one plasma beam would utterly rip through their cube. The Flood would utterly destroy your litter zergs, the flood don't fight with power by themselves, they infect what they can and after the said host gets infected they become even stronger, so the zerg would be all infected within no time.
Zerg are also much smaller (number wise) as they are confined to one single sector of the galaxy whereas the Flood are spread throughout the galaxy and have defeated the Forerunners and indirectly resulted in the fall of Humanity.


Argueably though, the zerg could capture a single flood, and infect it with the zerg hyper-evolutionary virus. The resulting immunity could be spread through the entire zerg, or a variant of the flood unleashed that would infect the normal flood to server the overmind/Kerrigan.
As many of us are fond of saying, Flood biology is perfect, so I am fairly sure that the Flood would have some form of defense against that.

  • 06.09.2011 9:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If truth, the borg could be wiped out by the UNSC. They cannot adapt to projectile weapons.


Lets go along with your projectile statment.
What would stop those Borg Ship weapons (2.5 MILLION Ships) from cutting the unsc ships to pieces? Factor in ship range?

Even if the borg sacrificed ship for ship, Would they even lose 1% of their fleet?



And now onto your projectile weapons statment:
While yes in first Contact Picards bullets worked on the drones, they were holographic. Different properties.
maybe perhaps sword against their drones would be effective.

but during ship battle, the borg likely would lose less than 3 ships before adapting to the unsc MAC weapons. Just like in TNG the Cube had adapted top the Enterprise TORPEDOES =)

The ONLY known substance Borg Ships were unable to adapt to, was Species 8472 BIOLOGICAL Weapons.
Weather or not Borg CAN or CANNOT adapt to biological weapons is not stated.

  • 06.09.2011 9:49 PM PDT


Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If truth, the borg could be wiped out by the UNSC. They cannot adapt to projectile weapons.


Lets go along with your projectile statment.
What would stop those Borg Ship weapons (2.5 MILLION Ships) from cutting the unsc ships to pieces? Factor in ship range?

Even if the borg sacrificed ship for ship, Would they even lose 1% of their fleet?



And now onto your projectile weapons statment:
While yes in first Contact Picards bullets worked on the drones, they were holographic. Different properties.
maybe perhaps sword against their drones would be effective.

but during ship battle, the borg likely would lose less than 3 ships before adapting to the unsc MAC weapons. Just like in TNG the Cube had adapted top the Enterprise TORPEDOES =)

The ONLY known substance Borg Ships were unable to adapt to, was Species 8472 BIOLOGICAL Weapons.
Weather or not Borg CAN or CANNOT adapt to biological weapons is not stated.



The bullets were holographic, but acted as a real bullet from that gun would.

Um, torpedoes have an energy source and explosion, the MAC round is pure projectile.

Borg can adapt to ENERGY weapons. They cannot adapt to a projectile like a bullet, or rifle being brought down over their heads.

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Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Wow i am totally gonna own your @$$ right here. Ready?

Flood VS Zerg from Star craft.
Zerg are in the trillions and a single zergling will own any flood. Never mind Hydras/Mutas/ Queens/ Cerebrates, Ultralisk LMFAO LURKERS LOL
Hell, I dont think the Flood will make a Dent in the ZERG.
not to mention, Zerg have their OWN form of master, I.E. Sarah Karrigan OR Overmind.


U.N.S.C. VS Star Fleet.
ALL unsc ships armor would be entirely useless to Phasers as they would cut them like butter. Photons, QUANTUM torpedoes that could prolly blow a Halcyon in half in 1 shot, not to mention Advanced shielding that put the covenant to shame.

Hell, the defiant and Enterprise E could prolly take on the entire UNSC fleet. LOL

Covenant VS BORG From Star Trek.
A single Borg cube has the power to Decimate an Entire planet. With invasive transporters and warpdrive, and assimilating THOUSANDS of species into their collective, As well, more than 2.5 million ships at their dispense, as well, ADAPTING to weapons both infantry and SHIPS, Covies would be SOOO FREAKEN BONED its not funny.



You Fail.
=)


Look here, folks. This is classic example of blind fanboys who loves their series to death and tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence.


So because i found the statement "Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood." Incorrect and chose to share my answer, i am fan boy?

You sir are a tool. If you would like, i can find species from other sci fi universes that could -blam!- things from halo?

-How about those bug creatures from STAR SHIP TROOPERS? They would destroy the flood BAAAAD.
-How about Scilons From BSG? They would pwn the UNSC.
-How about The Galactic Empire from Star wars? I doubt the covenant would stand a chance.

"tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence. "

What, you mean you want me to break down every segment of each category and explain to your tiny mind why i reason the ignorance of the OP's post? Would you like website links too?? With colorful pictures?


lol noob.


Typical blind fanboy, I see. Not worth of my time to argue logically and appropriately against your ridiculous statements.

And calling me a noob discredits you much further. Sorry.


[Edited on 06.09.2011 9:54 PM PDT]

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Wow i am totally gonna own your @$$ right here. Ready?

Flood VS Zerg from Star craft.
Zerg are in the trillions and a single zergling will own any flood. Never mind Hydras/Mutas/ Queens/ Cerebrates, Ultralisk LMFAO LURKERS LOL
Hell, I dont think the Flood will make a Dent in the ZERG.
not to mention, Zerg have their OWN form of master, I.E. Sarah Karrigan OR Overmind.


U.N.S.C. VS Star Fleet.
ALL unsc ships armor would be entirely useless to Phasers as they would cut them like butter. Photons, QUANTUM torpedoes that could prolly blow a Halcyon in half in 1 shot, not to mention Advanced shielding that put the covenant to shame.

Hell, the defiant and Enterprise E could prolly take on the entire UNSC fleet. LOL

Covenant VS BORG From Star Trek.
A single Borg cube has the power to Decimate an Entire planet. With invasive transporters and warpdrive, and assimilating THOUSANDS of species into their collective, As well, more than 2.5 million ships at their dispense, as well, ADAPTING to weapons both infantry and SHIPS, Covies would be SOOO FREAKEN BONED its not funny.



You Fail.
=)


Look here, folks. This is classic example of blind fanboys who loves their series to death and tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence.


So because i found the statement "Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood." Incorrect and chose to share my answer, i am fan boy?

You sir are a tool. If you would like, i can find species from other sci fi universes that could -blam!- things from halo?

-How about those bug creatures from STAR SHIP TROOPERS? They would destroy the flood BAAAAD.
-How about Scilons From BSG? They would pwn the UNSC.
-How about The Galactic Empire from Star wars? I doubt the covenant would stand a chance.

"tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence. "

What, you mean you want me to break down every segment of each category and explain to your tiny mind why i reason the ignorance of the OP's post? Would you like website links too?? With colorful pictures?


lol noob.


Typical blind fanboy, I see. Not worth of my time to argue logically and appropriately against your ridiculous statements.

And calling me a noob discredits you much further. Sorry.


Not worth your time, but yet you gave me the time of reading my post to being with?

As well i am a typical Fanboy?
mind telling me What i am a fanboy of?
...
...
...
Oh i see. Im a fanboy of everything BUT halo, the reverse of you.

LOL

your such a noob.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If truth, the borg could be wiped out by the UNSC. They cannot adapt to projectile weapons.


Lets go along with your projectile statment.
What would stop those Borg Ship weapons (2.5 MILLION Ships) from cutting the unsc ships to pieces? Factor in ship range?

Even if the borg sacrificed ship for ship, Would they even lose 1% of their fleet?



And now onto your projectile weapons statment:
While yes in first Contact Picards bullets worked on the drones, they were holographic. Different properties.
maybe perhaps sword against their drones would be effective.

but during ship battle, the borg likely would lose less than 3 ships before adapting to the unsc MAC weapons. Just like in TNG the Cube had adapted top the Enterprise TORPEDOES =)

The ONLY known substance Borg Ships were unable to adapt to, was Species 8472 BIOLOGICAL Weapons.
Weather or not Borg CAN or CANNOT adapt to biological weapons is not stated.



The bullets were holographic, but acted as a real bullet from that gun would.

Um, torpedoes have an energy source and explosion, the MAC round is pure projectile.

Borg can adapt to ENERGY weapons. They cannot adapt to a projectile like a bullet, or rifle being brought down over their heads.


Even if i go along with that, The unsc cannot stop BORG weapons from cutting them to pieces.

It becomes a question of who has more ships? LOL and given 5 million ships 50% of which lost to 8472, Logically, borg have 2.5 million remaining + massive ship yards.

How many did the unsc have before winter contingency?


As well, id like to point out..

ALL star trek shields stop direct projectiles. In fact, in voyager, When KES returned to voyager via shuttle, she crashed her shuttle into voyager, but only hitting its shields.
And theres other occasions where star ships deflect debris etc..

So given the fact that yes borg ships have shields, They would stop direct projectiles. Weather or not they can stop a MAC round, i dont know. And niether do you.

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Again, calling me a noob really does discredit you much further. Also using this word like this: "LOL", it ruins your argument as well. If you want to have appropriate debate, I strongly suggest you to stop using LOL words and be serious. Use any links, etc to prove your statements.

Before the Covenant-Human war occured, UNSC Navy had over 2,000 ships while Covenant navy had estimated to be about 3,000 to 5,000 ships strong.

And, I doubt that Star Fleet or Borg can stand against UNSC or Covenant, if it fights mentioning Forerunners/Flood, well Borg or Star Fleet will be vaporized... In my opinion, although.

Let me ask you a question, does this Star Fleet, their armor is ablative armor, right? Can it withstand plasma weaponry? Can it withstand MAC rounds? How much firepower they possess? kilotons, gigatons, teratons and peratons of TNT?

Let me explain about statistics about plasma and MACs:

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A standard ship-grade MAC (Frigate) fires 600 ton ferric hardened tungsten or depleted uranium slugs at 30,000 meters per second, generating about 64 Kilotons of TNT. However, it is possible to have different variants of standard ship-grade MACs (such for larger ships like cruisers and carriers, possibly super carrier) or have different types of ammunition such as HEAT-type ordnance or kinetic projectile (designed to penetrate though hull then explode inside of hull).

There is other variant of MAC, which is most powerful MAC variant utilized by UNSC: Super-MAC ODP- it fires 3,000 ton ferric hardened tungsten or depleted uranium or can be other type of slugs as well, at 4% of light-speed (estimated about 120,000 meters per second) generating about 51.6 gigatons of TNT, enough to destory any ship, even with fully shielded ships in one shot.

About plasma weaponry, there is no accurate specs about them but it has been proved by several books that it can cause massive damage. For instance, at The Fall of Reach novel and The boot camp of Reach comic during UNSC Commonwealth had its hull melted/decimated, due to impact of pulse lasers and possible plasma torpedoes. Also in First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx describes about UNSC ships being obliterated by ship-grade plasma weapons. Also at Battle of Reach, UNSC Trafalgar, even with 10 meters of Titanium-A Battle-plate, still had its hull being vaporized or melted by ship-grade plasma weapons. We can estimate that ship-grade plasma weaponry possesses double-digit to triple digit of gigatons of TNT, possibly to a single digit of teraton of TNT (not sure, although.) and it can track other ships as well.

What about energy projectors? They're way more powerful than any ship-grade plasma weapons. I can give you a example: At battle of Reach, a covenant super-cruiser, big as three UNSC cruisers speaking of lengths (about 3,000 to 3,500 meters long), fires a thin blue-white energy beam in 100,000km away, completely slices five UNSC ships like a butter.

Also, Covenant's shields are more powerful, depending on type of ships. A CCS battle-cruiser can withstand up to 3 MAC rounds or two plasma torpedoes stated by First Strike as Cortana utilized plasma torpedoes in Ascendent Justice-Gettysburg before the shields disappear. Or, Covenant super-cruiser had powerful shields that had enough to shrug off 3 MAC rounds, with over 450 archer missiles before it got destroyed due to PoA put a shiva-nuclear warhead in Longsword in the super cruiser. Then, let's not mention that assault carriers or super carriers are way more powerful.

I will add more if anyone desires me to.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, although.



[Edited on 06.09.2011 10:39 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 10:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.




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Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming. [/quote]

Wow i am totally gonna own your @$$ right here. Ready?

Flood VS Zerg from Star craft.
Zerg are in the trillions and a single zergling will own any flood. Never mind Hydras/Mutas/ Queens/ Cerebrates, Ultralisk LMFAO LURKERS LOL
Hell, I dont think the Flood will make a Dent in the ZERG.
not to mention, Zerg have their OWN form of master, I.E. Sarah Karrigan OR Overmind.


U.N.S.C. VS Star Fleet.
ALL unsc ships armor would be entirely useless to Phasers as they would cut them like butter. Photons, QUANTUM torpedoes that could prolly blow a Halcyon in half in 1 shot, not to mention Advanced shielding that put the covenant to shame.

Hell, the defiant and Enterprise E could prolly take on the entire UNSC fleet. LOL

Covenant VS BORG From Star Trek.
A single Borg cube has the power to Decimate an Entire planet. With invasive transporters and warpdrive, and assimilating THOUSANDS of species into their collective, As well, more than 2.5 million ships at their dispense, as well, ADAPTING to weapons both infantry and SHIPS, Covies would be SOOO FREAKEN BONED its not funny.



You Fail.
=)[/quote]

Look here, folks. This is classic example of blind fanboys who loves their series to death and tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence. [/quote]

So because i found the statement "Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood." Incorrect and chose to share my answer, i am fan boy?

You sir are a tool. If you would like, i can find species from other sci fi universes that could -blam!- things from halo?

-How about those bug creatures from STAR SHIP TROOPERS? They would destroy the flood BAAAAD.
-How about Scilons From BSG? They would pwn the UNSC.
-How about The Galactic Empire from Star wars? I doubt the covenant would stand a chance.

"tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence. "

What, you mean you want me to break down every segment of each category and explain to your tiny mind why i reason the ignorance of the OP's post? Would you like website links too?? With colorful pictures?


lol noob.


Typical blind fanboy, I see. Not worth of my time to argue logically and appropriately against your ridiculous statements.

And calling me a noob discredits you much further. Sorry.


Not worth your time, but yet you gave me the time of reading my post to being with?

As well i am a typical Fanboy?
mind telling me What i am a fanboy of?
...
...
...
Oh i see. Im a fanboy of everything BUT halo, the reverse of you.

LOL

your such a noob.

Sigh, the flood infect, so it would be the aliens from starship troopers fighting flood forms and themselves only upgraded.

  • 06.09.2011 10:35 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer

Precursors are the epitome of "probably".

  • 06.09.2011 11:18 PM PDT

I love Halo and the universe, read all the books and have been playing since CE. But I will say this, nothing will/can compare to Star Wars. And if any Trekies have anything to say... speak now!

  • 06.09.2011 11:25 PM PDT


Posted by: T14P Colorith
I love Halo and the universe, read all the books and have been playing since CE. But I will say this, nothing will/can compare to Star Wars. And if any Trekies have anything to say... speak now!
Halo is no match for Star Wars, no longer beyond Stargate. Hell, aside from the SMACs they're not even Star Trek level anymore, maybe not even Battlestar Galactica.

  • 06.09.2011 11:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh look, a person riding the precursors.

"Oh, we know next to nothing about them, THEREFORE THEY WIN!"

You see, the reason Star Wars destroys Halo, is their NORMAL forces can win the war. Halo has to bring in precursors and forerunners to win.


No, the Flood, UNSC, and Covenant would probably destroy them if they worked together. Plant a NOVA in an enemy fleet, infect or glass the remnants, then infect remaining planets. Yes, bringing in the Precursors and their advanced creations is over kill, but it is necessary to shut the hardcore SW fanboys up. We know little to nothing about the Precursors other than they have technology so advanced, they can create new species and have armor that makes MJOLNIR look like cardboard. Their weaponry is superior to that of even the Forerunners, and they had the ability to wipe the galaxy clean of life with the press of a button. Imagine the destruction Precursors could inflict on a universe.

  • 06.10.2011 6:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: dahuterschuter
You've inevitably just started another flame war. Anyway, no, I'm tired of people trying to pit Mass Effect against Halo since Halo would stomp them, but Star Wars is another matter.


Even I have to agree with this, Star Wars is either evenly matched or superior. Would be epic to see how it would turn out.

  • 06.10.2011 6:29 AM PDT


Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Seriously, its always "Death Star and Star Forge!" or "Reapers would destroy The Flood!" Its like people forget just how powerful the Halo universe truly is. There are two reasons Halo will NEVER be beaten by another media series like Mass Effect or Star Wars or ANYTHING. Those are The Flood and the Precursors. The Flood probably obey the Precursors due to them being their masters, which means they would be using superior tactics compared to just rushing everything. As for the Precursors, they probably have space stations and ships that make the Death Star or Reaper Ships look like over-sized squirt guns.


They're advanced minds would probably immune to indoctrination, as would The Flood as they truly don't even HAVE minds, they're all connected to the Gravemind. They have weaponry that dwarfs that of the Forerunners, and combining their arsenal with the Flood would utterly dominate anything the Star Wars universe could throw at them. With enhancements and weaponry provided to them by the Precursors, they would infect entire planets, and with each one they grow more powerful. They probably have Pure Forms bigger than the Juggernaut, and God help ME and SW should the Gravemind somehow connect with the Force.


And to those who might bring up the incredibly powerful weapons Star Wars has, Precursor frigates are probably equipped with such things from final production. A single Precursor could probably destroy any Jedi or Sith in close quarters, with their advanced armor and their probably many CQC weapons. If the Forerunners had weaponry similar to the Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer, imagine what the Precursors had. Precursor ships are armed to the teeth with plasma, slipstream space, energy, ballistic, and laser weapon systems, not to mention how many freaking missiles they had that probably dwarfed even the NOVA nuclear bomb.

TL;DR

Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood. Please keep discussion civil and non-flaming.


Wow i am totally gonna own your @$$ right here. Ready?

Flood VS Zerg from Star craft.
Zerg are in the trillions and a single zergling will own any flood. Never mind Hydras/Mutas/ Queens/ Cerebrates, Ultralisk LMFAO LURKERS LOL
Hell, I dont think the Flood will make a Dent in the ZERG.
not to mention, Zerg have their OWN form of master, I.E. Sarah Karrigan OR Overmind.


U.N.S.C. VS Star Fleet.
ALL unsc ships armor would be entirely useless to Phasers as they would cut them like butter. Photons, QUANTUM torpedoes that could prolly blow a Halcyon in half in 1 shot, not to mention Advanced shielding that put the covenant to shame.

Hell, the defiant and Enterprise E could prolly take on the entire UNSC fleet. LOL

Covenant VS BORG From Star Trek.
A single Borg cube has the power to Decimate an Entire planet. With invasive transporters and warpdrive, and assimilating THOUSANDS of species into their collective, As well, more than 2.5 million ships at their dispense, as well, ADAPTING to weapons both infantry and SHIPS, Covies would be SOOO FREAKEN BONED its not funny.



You Fail.
=)


Look here, folks. This is classic example of blind fanboys who loves their series to death and tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence.


So because i found the statement "Mass Effect, Star Wars, etc. would have their asses handed to them by the Precursors and the Flood." Incorrect and chose to share my answer, i am fan boy?

You sir are a tool. If you would like, i can find species from other sci fi universes that could -blam!- things from halo?

-How about those bug creatures from STAR SHIP TROOPERS? They would destroy the flood BAAAAD.
-How about Scilons From BSG? They would pwn the UNSC.
-How about The Galactic Empire from Star wars? I doubt the covenant would stand a chance.

"tries to implement argument without any proof/evidence. "

What, you mean you want me to break down every segment of each category and explain to your tiny mind why i reason the ignorance of the OP's post? Would you like website links too?? With colorful pictures?

lol noob.


Any biological entity is susceptibale to Flood infection. Conversly, the Besterium indirectly states the Flood are immune to disease (which would suggest biological counter agents wouldn't work). The Flood's singular Macro-organism status makes any attack on the Flood to be border line useless. The Gravemind would instantly know how to counter such attacks and incorporate the FSC (Flood Super Cell) to create specific Flood forms tailored to specific jobs. A common example I use: Thrashers are built to smash tanks into the ground.

The bugs from Starship troopers are just that: bugs. Really big bugs. They'd get r@ped, however much I prefer not to use that word, by the Flood. If it breaths, airborne Flood cells would infect them anyway. If the FSC comes in contact with a creature's skin, it could leak in through the pores and infect that way.

Cryptum says even "dead" Flood (as there is no individualism in the Flood thusly no Flood can truly "die" to the point of being useless beyond vaporization) still carry the infection.

The biological components of even the Borg would make them highly susceptible to the infection.

And the entire concept of Galactic Empire has been debated before. The GE would win against the Covenant on account of superior numbers, though the Covenant would go out swinging.

Tell me this: how would the Borg fair against the UNSC?

  • 06.10.2011 6:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh look, a person riding the precursors.

"Oh, we know next to nothing about them, THEREFORE THEY WIN!"

You see, the reason Star Wars destroys Halo, is their NORMAL forces can win the war. Halo has to bring in precursors and forerunners to win.

The forerunner's smallest ship was a "planet breaker" and we know that as a fact.

  • 06.10.2011 8:58 AM PDT

Blah isnt a good reason. lol

  • 06.10.2011 2:32 PM PDT