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Posted by: raganok99
Again, calling me a noob really does discredit you much further. Also using this word like this: "LOL", it ruins your argument as well. If you want to have appropriate debate, I strongly suggest you to stop using LOL words and be serious. Use any links, etc to prove your statements.
Before the Covenant-Human war occured, UNSC Navy had over 2,000 ships while Covenant navy had estimated to be about 3,000 to 5,000 ships strong.
And, I doubt that Star Fleet or Borg can stand against UNSC or Covenant, if it fights mentioning Forerunners/Flood, well Borg or Star Fleet will be vaporized... In my opinion, although.
Let me ask you a question, does this Star Fleet, their armor is ablative armor, right? Can it withstand plasma weaponry? Can it withstand MAC rounds? How much firepower they possess? kilotons, gigatons, teratons and peratons of TNT?
Let me explain about statistics about plasma and MACs:
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A standard ship-grade MAC (Frigate) fires 600 ton ferric hardened tungsten or depleted uranium slugs at 30,000 meters per second, generating about 64 Kilotons of TNT. However, it is possible to have different variants of standard ship-grade MACs (such for larger ships like cruisers and carriers, possibly super carrier) or have different types of ammunition such as HEAT-type ordnance or kinetic projectile (designed to penetrate though hull then explode inside of hull).
There is other variant of MAC, which is most powerful MAC variant utilized by UNSC: Super-MAC ODP- it fires 3,000 ton ferric hardened tungsten or depleted uranium or can be other type of slugs as well, at 4% of light-speed (estimated about 120,000 meters per second) generating about 51.6 gigatons of TNT, enough to destory any ship, even with fully shielded ships in one shot.
About plasma weaponry, there is no accurate specs about them but it has been proved by several books that it can cause massive damage. For instance, at The Fall of Reach novel and The boot camp of Reach comic during UNSC Commonwealth had its hull melted/decimated, due to impact of pulse lasers and possible plasma torpedoes. Also in First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx describes about UNSC ships being obliterated by ship-grade plasma weapons. Also at Battle of Reach, UNSC Trafalgar, even with 10 meters of Titanium-A Battle-plate, still had its hull being vaporized or melted by ship-grade plasma weapons. We can estimate that ship-grade plasma weaponry possesses double-digit to triple digit of gigatons of TNT, possibly to a single digit of teraton of TNT (not sure, although.) and it can track other ships as well.
What about energy projectors? They're way more powerful than any ship-grade plasma weapons. I can give you a example: At battle of Reach, a covenant super-cruiser, big as three UNSC cruisers speaking of lengths (about 3,000 to 3,500 meters long), fires a thin blue-white energy beam in 100,000km away, completely slices five UNSC ships like a butter.
Also, Covenant's shields are more powerful, depending on type of ships. A CCS battle-cruiser can withstand up to 3 MAC rounds or two plasma torpedoes stated by First Strike as Cortana utilized plasma torpedoes in Ascendent Justice-Gettysburg before the shields disappear. Or, Covenant super-cruiser had powerful shields that had enough to shrug off 3 MAC rounds, with over 450 archer missiles before it got destroyed due to PoA put a shiva-nuclear warhead in Longsword in the super cruiser. Then, let's not mention that assault carriers or super carriers are way more powerful.
I will add more if anyone desires me to.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, although.
the reason i call you a noob, is because you make generalized assumptions without doing research yourself.
star Trek is very in depth. you have to pay attention to detail to get a full understating.
let me break down for you, STAR TREK. then you can compare to your inferior MAC/PLASMA and you'll understand:
Principle: While damage in most scifi energy weapons is rated on a scale, Not necessarily does Damage Dealt in # subtract from total damage withstand.
in Star Trek universe, LASERS do not even penetrate Deflector shields. Shield are completely advanced to the point Lasers, REGARDLESS of Power (kila joules or whatever) connot penetrate the shields. Even if the Death Star were to fire on the Enterprise, it would be like shooting WATER at it.
Most people have a hard time coming to terms with that.
They dont seem to grasp that LASERS is like WATER to a Federation shield.
Best way to put it: Whats more lethal, a pound of fire crackers or a pound of C4? BOTH are a pound. But C4 will create bigger explosion.
So saying "Blah blah kilo jouls of plasma" In start trek, is like saying "Blah blah kilo jouls of water"
Plasma weapons in star trek are considered OUT DATED. Mankind uses photon energy ( FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN PLASMA) because Mankind Advanced plasma to its limits. and now, They are moving onto Quantum Energy because Photonic energy has reached its limits.
So in essence, PLASMA weapons would be ill effective against Federation shields.
Even a LIGHT burst of the enterprises Mark 13 Phasers, would cut thru a covies shields and HULL. you need to understand, The weapons are different, And the universe Laws are different. Star Treks universe plays on VERY HEAVY Weapons.
Im going to explain why you are ignorant for this statment:
"And, I doubt that Star Fleet or Borg can stand against UNSC or Covenant, if it fights mentioning Forerunners/Flood, well Borg or Star Fleet will be vaporized... In my opinion, although."
your opinion means crap, since opinions are not FACT. you know nothing of star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, or anything other than Halo.
So let me answer all your questions by quoting the Borg:
"We Are the borg. You will be ASSIMILATED. We will add your BIOLOGICAL and TECHNOLOGICAL distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. RESISTANCE... IS FUTILE"
The borg ADAPT. Thats their whole purpose.
NO WHERE in star trek does it say Borg connot adapt to projectiles. it s ASSUMED cause first contact, Picard killed 2 drones with bullets.
Did it occure to anyone, maybe the borg have never been shot with bullets before and have NOW adapted?
DONT assume.
when you ASSUME you make an as$ out of U M E
Im very knowledgeable, and am happy to answers questions.
But when you go calling me Fanboy, especially when my original post does not attack nor defend either, then you deserve title:
NOOB.