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Posted by: raganok99
Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
the reason i call you a noob, is because you make generalized assumptions without doing research yourself.
star Trek is very in depth. you have to pay attention to detail to get a full understating.
let me break down for you, STAR TREK. then you can compare to your inferior MAC/PLASMA and you'll understand:
Principle: While damage in most scifi energy weapons is rated on a scale, Not necessarily does Damage Dealt in # subtract from total damage withstand.
in Star Trek universe, LASERS do not even penetrate Deflector shields. Shield are completely advanced to the point Lasers, REGARDLESS of Power (kila joules or whatever) connot penetrate the shields. Even if the Death Star were to fire on the Enterprise, it would be like shooting WATER at it.
Most people have a hard time coming to terms with that.
They dont seem to grasp that LASERS is like WATER to a Federation shield.
Best way to put it: Whats more lethal, a pound of fire crackers or a pound of C4? BOTH are a pound. But C4 will create bigger explosion.
So saying "Blah blah kilo jouls of plasma" In start trek, is like saying "Blah blah kilo jouls of water"
Plasma weapons in star trek are considered OUT DATED. Mankind uses photon energy ( FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN PLASMA) because Mankind Advanced plasma to its limits. and now, They are moving onto Quantum Energy because Photonic energy has reached its limits.
So in essence, PLASMA weapons would be ill effective against Federation shields.
Even a LIGHT burst of the enterprises Mark 13 Phasers, would cut thru a covies shields and HULL. you need to understand, The weapons are different, And the universe Laws are different. Star Treks universe plays on VERY HEAVY Weapons.
Im going to explain why you are ignorant for this statment:
"And, I doubt that Star Fleet or Borg can stand against UNSC or Covenant, if it fights mentioning Forerunners/Flood, well Borg or Star Fleet will be vaporized... In my opinion, although."
your opinion means crap, since opinions are not FACT. you know nothing of star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, or anything other than Halo.
So let me answer all your questions by quoting the Borg:
"We Are the borg. You will be ASSIMILATED. We will add your BIOLOGICAL and TECHNOLOGICAL distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. RESISTANCE... IS FUTILE"
The borg ADAPT. Thats their whole purpose.
NO WHERE in star trek does it say Borg connot adapt to projectiles. it s ASSUMED cause first contact, Picard killed 2 drones with bullets.
Did it occure to anyone, maybe the borg have never been shot with bullets before and have NOW adapted?
DONT assume.
when you ASSUME you make an as$ out of U M E
Im very knowledgeable, and am happy to answers questions.
But when you go calling me Fanboy, especially when my original post does not attack nor defend either, then you deserve title:
NOOB.
Actually I have researched on Star Trek heavily, and I found out that Albative armor that Star Fleet uses for primary hull aren't designed to withstand the explosive compounds- Look at new movie version and notice that "mine-like" torpedoes utterly ripped the hull apart. Ablative armor's chemical properties were designed to offer resistance against the phasers and laser-based technology weapons. And one more thing, Ablative armor is also isn't designed to withstand high-temperature weapons such as plasma as well. Plasma can be hot as 4,000 degrees, enough to melt any metal known to any mankind.
And, Quantum and Photon torpedoes are only weapon that can only rival against the Covenant. Do you realize that plasma weaponry (utilized by Covenant and can be utilized by UNSC if there's SMART AI to utilize the plasma weaponry more efficiently, can effectively destroy any ships, due to being nature of generating about double-digits to triple digits of GIGATONS of TNT or even a single digit of TERATON of TNT?)
In first strike novel, a plasma torpedoes is enough to vaporize a large asteroid entirely, that can be assumed that it's powerful.
And Photon and Quantum Torpedoes firepower generates about double digit of megatons of TNT, that's same amount with shiva nuclear warheads or HAVOK nuclear warheads. Guess what, nuclear warhead didn't do any -blam!- against the shields, despite of being double digit of megaton of TNT. I doubt that photon or quantum torpedoes can actually hurt any Covenant ships... but it can destroy UNSC ships without any doubt due to no shielding.
Still, the borgs would be still destroyed by Flood due to two reasons: If a flood spore infects a borg member, Gravemind can instantly know everything about borg and exploit the weakness which Flood'll wipe out Borgs in ease. You forget that Flood is fundamentally perfect biology, designed to wipe any species, no matter what their technology or strengths of military forces are. Flood'll just destroy them in ease.
And Borg can adapt to almost anything expect kinetic weapons such as MAC or bullets.
Let's not forget about Forerunners and Flood... they numbers in trillions, FAR more than Federation or Borg combined. Forerunners once had massive warships that can be 15 to 30km long.
"borg cannot adapt to kinnetic energy"
my gosh the ignorance abounds.
Someone please back that up with PROOF? What episode of what series says that? Anyone?
*cricket cricket*
borg adapt to everything. go WATCH star trek and actually learn something =)
And as for your weapons power to damage, Go back and Read # PLUT0NIUM 235 Post. He makes it clear for you.
Honestly, your too one sided and not open minded to understand. for these kind of debates, you need to be open minded. Im no longer replying to your posts, since you obviosly proven you know nothing of star trek and obviosly little about universe laws between sci fi shows.
ill leave you to think in ignorance.
=)
Actually, his posts said that photon/quantum torpedoes GENERATE about double digits of megaton of TNT which it isn't powerful so much to gigatons or teratons of TNT, even with small amount of anti-matter.
And, one episode where Captain Picador (not sure spelling) fired a ballistic weapon at drones. I think that's how they didn't adapt to ballistic weapons (kinetic energy).
Well, same thing goes for you. You're being one sided mind as well because you're obviously star trek fanboy. And, I am pretty much open-minded. I even admitted that borgs is powerful civilization but can lose to Flood for several reasons.
And I know laws of universe pretty good. Don't make any dumb assumptions, you know nothing about me at all.
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Any civilization with Technology Tier 1 or 0 is capable to destroying the Borgs as well... So.
[Edited on 06.12.2011 3:46 AM PDT]