- ROBERTO jh
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
Also, i might point out:
Someone mentioned that the flood have spores that once inhaled, can take over their host.
The BORG ASSIMILATE.
They would ASSIMILATE those flood SPORES, then ADAPT to the flood SPORES. Hence why, in star Trek, the BORG are the greatest Threat. They ADAPT to everything. they ASSIMILATE everything.
"we will add your BIOLOGICAL distinctiveness to our own"
EVEN MAC rounds OR PLASMA would be adapted to and ASSIMILATED to their SHIPS. They would USE the MACS agaisnt the UNSC (tho macs are inferior to the BORGS Weapons)
"we will add your TECHNOLOGICAL distinctiveness to our own"
Borg Assimilation is not perfect.
1) Not all weapons can be adapted (kinetics)
2) Not all biological creatures can be Assimilated (Species *insert number here*)
Borg Assimilation requires insertion of nanoprobes into the creature directly. The Flood Super Cell is designed to be perfect. It is infinitely adaptable and immune to outside attacks, as per the besterium.
As the Flood fall into both categories (kinetics and uncontrollable) they'd be the worst enemy the Borg have fought since Species *Number*. Except worse as, since the FSC is a mental connection to all Flood everywhere, the Gravemind would know everything about the Borg upon a single infection of their biological components
Actually, umm... the borg achieve perfection.
borg HAVE assimilated Species 8472 units into their collective.
They had a hard time adapting to the biological Weapon of their BATTLE SHIPS. but the queen herself said, even without Janeways assistance, eventually they would have.
Biological weapons on their space craft WAS an issue. But thanks to Janeway, she discovered a new weapon and, possible defense for the borg using the nanoprobes.
"Borg Assimilation requires insertion of nanoprobes"
FAIL
Go watch: Star trek voyager: End Game
Janeway infects borg with pathogen, Later in episode, Queen tells Janeway "I have assimilated your pathogen"
OH SNAP
how could that be?? but but.. you said they have to insert nano probes? OMG star trek is lying =O
Or you need to go watch star trek before refuting my claims ;)
Once again, the BORG would desecrate the Flood. Allow me to Play the scenerio:
Scenario:
*Borg cube arrives at installation.
Scans it.
Sends drones down to surface.
Drones get killed by flood, other drones adapt.
Flood attempt to infect drone
Borg assimilates flood, Nano's take over flood host.
Borg finds nothing useful of Flood.
Drones beam back to Cube
Cube locks weapons. Destroys ring. flood dead.*
how, would the borg lose to the flood?
even if the flood tried to infect a drone, once the drone is transported, the transporter buffer will filter out the spore
=O
pwned again.
LOL
this is why i hate "Versus" debates. they are opinionated, and people don't want to face facts. They will ignore invaluable info and make something up out of their @$$ to prove a point they believe is true.
When in actual fact, they shouldn't be refuting statements unless they actually have watched / played both THOROUGHLY.
And yes, you bet you @$$ i know alot about halo. hence i KNOW nothing in Halo could touch, pretty well anything in star trek.
maybe BSG would be a good match for halo ;)
This is one of the saddest things I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Not because I'm denying what you said is wrong (which some of it is) but rather because you felt it necassary to resort to belittling my own intelligence simply because I'm not really a big Trek fan, and thus only going off a few eopisodes, for the sake of your argument.
It shows weakness, fanboyism, and self-doubt in your own ability to defeat my arguments with nothing but facts. Pro-tip: never resort to personal insults and jabs when in a debate. It just makes you look like an ass.
Okay, so the Borg's Assimilation process is different then what I expected. Fair game. That does not diffuse the ever present fact of the Gravemind's eternal consciouss link to all Flood Super Cell's everywhere.
Lets say, theoretically, the assimilation worked on a Flood form. The FSC's have never proven to be capable of actually dying by any normal means; Cryptum even states "dead" Flood could still transmit the disease, so a host's condition and its own condition are seperate.
Either way, the Gravemind would know precisely what the Borg's "infection" is and would swiftly counter it. "Adapt" to it, so to speak.
Here's a few problems. Borg have biomass and biological components they canot survive without (First Contact). They also cannot adapt to kinetic attacks, only energy, this much I know, which is what the Flood use.
The Gravemind would try plasma, of course, and find it stopped working. He'd then start to build the FSC's to create specific long range and short range kinetic heavy hitters.
Another problem: Flood are laughably fast compared to the Borg. If it came to a ground operation, the Flood would decimate the Borg's zombies.
In space, things are different. If the Flood were using UNSC weapons, they'd stand a better chance then with Covenant weapons, which the only weapon that can go through an adapted shield they have would be an energy lance (laser, not a plasma).
If they had Forerunner weapons, the Borg are boned. They made ample use of pure light based weaponry. Technically, what it falls under--kinetic, or energy--is uncertain. Either way, a light weapon, being pure light, can bypass a shield considering normal light can indeed go through a shield. If it couldn't, I wouldn't otherwise be able to see the ship, only a shimmering field.
Now we get technical. This is also where you're wrong. Using a very handy yield calculator, we had calculated the strength of the PoA's detonation on Halo 04. It was set somewhere between several hundred terratons (almost just beneath 1 peta) and 10 petatons, depending entirely on whether or not Cryptum retconned the Ring's size (from 10,000- to 30,000 km in diameter).
This is based off of the proportional width of the Ring. As seen in Halo 2's flashback, the explosion was 5 times the Ring's width.
This, however, made only a 5 kilometer crater in the Ring's adamantium armor, as per "The Flood" book. so about 900 terratons to 10 petatons depending on what the size was, only made a 5 kilometer dent in the Forerunner armor. And this didn't even destroy the Ring. What did was the Ring's own centrifuges turning on its self from getting knocked around and being partially damaged on one side.
In Cryptum, two Rings, these ones 30,000 kilometers in diameter, were destroyed by Forerunners hard light beams, cutting vast canyons into the adamantium surface, blowing mountains off the Ring and all. The Ring's were destroyed by pure brute force here, (the first one was anyway, the second went in the same manner as Halo 04).
Anyway, so that would mean the Forerunners' ships were several hundred terratons to at least ten petatons of power per shot. How exactley would the Borg destroy the Ring again?
Or the Flood using Forerunner tech? Or do I need to remind you of what happens to people fighting Forerunner tech?
And you know what? The ever present factor that the Gravemind can not permanently be killed, only laid dormant.
You don't know anything about Halo at all, do you?