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Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
considering we know nothing of the precursors, it's ignorant to say they could survive a fight with a jedi, however i agree with you, forerunner capabilities alone would be enough to give these galaxies a run for their money, not to mention if we go even further back in the timeline than cryptum, human and san shyum rivaled the strength of forerunners, so there's
1) the modern unsc and covenant
2) the foreunners.
3)humans and san shyum before the great war
4)precursors
5)the flood
it's ironic to me that if the halo universe were to fight another universe, spartans would be less than a spec of dust compared to the other species in the battle.


-A Precursor could survive a freaking a Halo ring wave,that's extremely impressive,as no sentient species could survive it
But that proves they have some god abilities(transsentients)
-Their structures were proven to be indestructible to anything but Halo.

I haven't much time now :(

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Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
considering we know nothing of the precursors, it's ignorant to say they could survive a fight with a jedi, however i agree with you, forerunner capabilities alone would be enough to give these galaxies a run for their money, not to mention if we go even further back in the timeline than cryptum, human and san shyum rivaled the strength of forerunners, so there's
1) the modern unsc and covenant
2) the foreunners.
3)humans and san shyum before the great war
4)precursors
5)the flood
it's ironic to me that if the halo universe were to fight another universe, spartans would be less than a spec of dust compared to the other species in the battle.


-A Precursor could survive a freaking a Halo ring wave,that's extremely impressive,as no sentient species could survive it
But that proves they have some god abilities(transsentients)
-Their structures were proven to be indestructible to anything but Halo.

I haven't much time now :(


1. Ever considered technology was sheilding them?

2. Halos were created seemingly after the destroyed the precursors so no.

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Quote memory alpha "See the canon link noted above or the policy for OUR take on things"
LOL they are aloud to make as many rules as they want on their site. they arnt owned or endorsed by paramount =)

Sorry bud.

EDIT: I should clarify. Cannon is not determined in star trek (at least, the horses mouth hasnt said so aka paramount) Some people consider games canon, others dont. the games however, are licensed and approved before hitting store shelves.


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@ 1:00 minute total awesomeness.
@ 1:09 Point Defense phasers
@ 1:25 shield draining sucka
@ 0:30 Covenant glassing, eat your heart out.
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Actually, Star Trek canon is the movies and most of the TV shows, the books and games are not considered canon at all.


not that im arguing or anything, but im VERY curious:

Says who?
I want to know WHO is the one who determines Star trek Games are NOT cannon?
What is the gentlemans name who says "Star trek books and games are not cannon?
Source?


I just want to know...

  • 06.15.2011 4:20 PM PDT

think if anything its more of a 'rule of thumb' about these sorts of things, generally speaking the original material is Canon and things like games and such are an adaptation of that original material, sometimes (armada II) they add stuff that doesn't fit into the general feel of the Canon material, like that torpedo fired by the Federation battle cruiser that bounces off targets, that is unlike anything ever shown or discussed in Star Trek.

don't think anyone is saying it 100% isn't Canon, but generally considered non-Canon for the reason stated above. also because the original creators, people who made the original source material aren't generally involved in such projects so their 'vision' is distorted by the vision of game developers trying to make a fun and balanced game rather than a Canon accurate game adaptation of a franchise, same thing happens with Halo.

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Now that we have concluded Star Trek would walk all over halo.

Moving on to star CRAFT:

In terms in infantry:

This boils down to numbers.
USNC + Covie VERSUS Terran + Protoss

Infantry
star craft marines would no doubt walk all over unsc standard marines. ODST would put up a fight. Spartans would be the lethal challenge. Elites as well.
Star craft contains fire bats, Reapers jetpacks, Merauders, and Zealots and stalkers/dragoons. The lethal star craft inifantry would be Dark Templars and high Templars. Psi storm, and cloaked blades = LETHAL.

My conlusion: Halo would win in the infantry dept, but at great losses from both sides.


Vehicles/Air support: Halo has your ghosts, hogs, pelicans, drops, Scorps, wraiths, banshees, hornets.
however, the most lethal is Scarabs.
star Craft however contains your average vultures/hellions, wraiths with CLOAK, Vikings, banshees with CLOAK, reavers.
Most lethal, is SIEGE TANKS, VOID RAYS, COLOSSUS. CLOAK would be the lethal part of Star Craft. ARBITERS that cloak ALL units around it are lethal.

In my conclusion, vehicles VS vehicle, SC walks all over Halo. no contest.


Space:
Battle ship for Battle ship:
Halo has incredible weaponry as we have seen. NO SC ship could sustain a shot from either CCS class or humans MAC rounds.
SC Battle criusers have YAMATO Gun, which is powerful but i dont know if it will down a CCS Cruiser. The standard ATA laser weapon may not be enough to penetrate CCS shields. Likely can damage the human ships well enough.
The carriers dont offer much, other than shooting interceptors lol. they have shields and good size.
HOWEVER Protoss have MOTHER SHIPS that can cloak the entire fleet, and can throw opponents into a temporary vortex, as well can recall fleets to its location. Hard to shoot something you cant see.

My conclusion: Halo would win the space battle very quickly.

Once the mother would be destoryed, as well arbiters from SC that assist cloak, the whole SC fleet will fall fast.



On another note:
The terran have Science vessels that shoot EMP blast, which removes all shields in Star craft. If the EMP blast were fired at the covenent fleet, would it down their shields?

If it did, then that would free the SC universe to assault the CCS cruiser which i think are the back bone of the Halo space fleet.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
think if anything its more of a 'rule of thumb' about these sorts of things, generally speaking the original material is Canon and things like games and such are an adaptation of that original material, sometimes (armada II) they add stuff that doesn't fit into the general feel of the Canon material, like that torpedo fired by the Federation battle cruiser that bounces off targets, that is unlike anything ever shown or discussed in Star Trek.

don't think anyone is saying it 100% isn't Canon, but generally considered non-Canon for the reason stated above. also because the original creators, people who made the original source material aren't generally involved in such projects so their 'vision' is distorted by the vision of game developers trying to make a fun and balanced game rather than a Canon accurate game adaptation of a franchise, same thing happens with Halo.


Oh.. alright. So in a way your just using common sense.
I get it.

  • 06.15.2011 5:01 PM PDT

Dear lord that Enterprise versus Autumn thing is full of errors, who came up with that?

First, Plasma Weapons are primitive to the Federation, they abandoned Plasma Weapons a long time ago, hell the first Enterprise had her Plasma Cannons replaced with more powerful and more accurate Phase Cannons. Hell on a number of occasions like said before the interior of Federation ships has been exposed to high energy Plasma, sure it kills people and makes a mess but it doesn't compromise the overall integrity of the structure, so failing to understand how Plasma weapons are effective? Not to mention the exterior hull is a lot stronger than the corridors further making me think Plasma is no issue.

second, the Autumn is clad in primitive Titanium armour, Federation ships are constructed out of a material magnitudes stronger than Titanium, heck this stuff as an ore (not refined) is over twenty times as hard as Diamond, not to mention it gets alloyed with other materials to improve it. Titanium was used on the first warp ship, the Phoenix and has long been abandoned as a useful ship building material due to the fact there are better materials available, if the material used to make the hull cannot take direct Phaser impacts then there is no chance for Titanium, believe the term hot knife through butter works.

Third, those numbers for the power of a MAC are incredibly inaccurate, a thousand times the power of the Tsar bomb? tell you a Covenant cruiser wouldn't be much trouble for that, single shot would not only destroy the shields, not only penetrate the hull but probably shatter the ship! The numbers I have seen are 600 metric ton projectile at 35,000 metres/second giving a maximum potential yield of around ~80 Kilotons of TNT. Assume the cannon on the Autumn is 'more' powerful, its not going to be thousands of times more powerful, perhaps twice as powerful isn't too hard to imagine, so ~160/200 Kilotons, that is still a lot of energy, don't get sucked into the Star Wars number games and such because they aren't believable. Also for the sake of argument, if the numbers were true where the heck is the Autumn getting the power from for this, fusion reactors?

Fourth, shooting a Photon Torpedo down with an auto-cannon? It is extremely rare to see a torpedo get 'shot down' by anything, and all of them are a damn sight more sophisticated than an auto-cannon firing shells. So would guess the chances of countering Photon/Quantum Torpedoes through this method are slim at best, also Phasers don't 'shoot Plasma' at things.

Adding a few more things to this post, the Federation also possess some other incredible technologies, matter transportation for example, advanced holographic technologies, matter replication technologies (simple repairs anyone?) and that is just the start of it, temporal research is another field of science for them. Also it isn't fair to compare the Enterprise-D (Galaxy Class) to a dedicated warship like the Autumn, its like comparing and ocean liner to a battleship, not a valid comparison. Would recommend focusing on something like Defiant class versus Frigate/Destroyer, since capital ships are rather rare in the human fleet in the Halo universe. Also the Defiant is as close to a warship as we'll find in Star Trek, so compare warship to warship rather than warship to explorer.

Defiant class would have not much trouble with most Halo universe ships, except perhaps the enormous ones like Covenant super carriers and such, Pillar of Autumn shouldn't be much of a challenge since the Defiant is designed to do one thing, fight bigger opponents like Borg Cubes and such. Powerful armament installed on a small, nimble ship with some of the most potent shields available and dedicated hull armour, the sort of 'warship' Star Trek could produce if the writers could be bothered! PEACE!

  • 06.15.2011 5:27 PM PDT

With regards to the Starcraft post (being a huge Starcraft fan!) might I just remind that Tassadars flagship 'Gantrithor' (a Carrier) ruined Char with some sort of planet cracking weapon. Also Terran marines are Power Armour wearing convicts with Gauss weapons (like Gauss cannon on Warthog) with insane rate of fire. Also that things like Psionic Blades wielded by Protoss seem to pass effortlessly through well, matter. Warp Blades are even more potent, in Starcraft II Zeratul does a number on multiple Hydralisks with his Warp Blade, doesn't even get slowed down it just slices clean through leaving a cauterized wound. Edit: watch this link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEq1JJCgGQg&feature=relate d

also a great cutscene showing the Zerg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flm8Zjw_qRc&feature=relate d

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@raganok99

I get the feeling your not reading plutoniums posts. Go up and read his post just before my SC post.
You might learn something and get yourself out from being wrapped around trying to prove something you already know is false.

Something worth while:
Old ships of starfleet were refit for the dominion war. The "Lakota" received quantums so its possible other Excelsior have been refit the same. Other star trek encyclopedias have stated Galaxys were WAR refit for the dominion war.


In and episode of TNG where the Enterprise was doing a test battle against an old star gazer class, riker and crew were able to fool the enterprise sensors into seeing a Romulan warbird, which wasnt really there. that being said, the enterprise could use same tactics againt the Halo universe. Fool them into seeing something that isnt there. I mean, by the same theory..
wait for it..

...
...
the enterprise could fool enemy sensors to make itself undetectable.
LMAO what now raganok99?

Halo ships are soo primitive in that technological aspect.
They wont even be able to detect it with that strategy.

you have been served. Peace.

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Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
considering we know nothing of the precursors, it's ignorant to say they could survive a fight with a jedi, however i agree with you, forerunner capabilities alone would be enough to give these galaxies a run for their money, not to mention if we go even further back in the timeline than cryptum, human and san shyum rivaled the strength of forerunners, so there's
1) the modern unsc and covenant
2) the foreunners.
3)humans and san shyum before the great war
4)precursors
5)the flood
it's ironic to me that if the halo universe were to fight another universe, spartans would be less than a spec of dust compared to the other species in the battle.


-A Precursor could survive a freaking a Halo ring wave,that's extremely impressive,as no sentient species could survive it
But that proves they have some god abilities(transsentients)
-Their structures were proven to be indestructible to anything but Halo.

I haven't much time now :(


1. Ever considered technology was sheilding them?

2. Halos were created seemingly after the destroyed the precursors so no.



1.How could the tech support him if his entire prison had been destroyed?
The Halo ring wave destroyed any Precursor structure on the planet,including his prison.So yes he survived it.

2.What are you saying?

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
With regards to the Starcraft post (being a huge Starcraft fan!) might I just remind that Tassadar's flagship 'Gantrithor' (a Carrier) ruined Char with some sort of planet cracking weapon.

Sustained bombardment, actually. And if Char was so buggered, why is it still habitable, or at least able to fight on it with unsealed suits?

The Forerunners' weakest class of warships are called Planet Breakers. Uh oh.

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Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
@raganok99

I get the feeling your not reading plutoniums posts. Go up and read his post just before my SC post.
You might learn something and get yourself out from being wrapped around trying to prove something you already know is false.

Something worth while:
Old ships of starfleet were refit for the dominion war. The "Lakota" received quantums so its possible other Excelsior have been refit the same. Other star trek encyclopedias have stated Galaxys were WAR refit for the dominion war.


In and episode of TNG where the Enterprise was doing a test battle against an old star gazer class, riker and crew were able to fool the enterprise sensors into seeing a Romulan warbird, which wasnt really there. that being said, the enterprise could use same tactics againt the Halo universe. Fool them into seeing something that isnt there. I mean, by the same theory..
wait for it..

...
...
the enterprise could fool enemy sensors to make itself undetectable.
LMAO what now raganok99?

Halo ships are soo primitive in that technological aspect.
They wont even be able to detect it with that strategy.

you have been served. Peace.


says by star trek fanboy or starcraft fanboy...

You greatly underestimate the Halo universe. All right, let's bring up Forerunners/Flood, which those races will destroy your Star Trek unless Q Continuum comes up, and also star craft as well.

Let's face it, your beloved star trek isn't powerful enough to even match against Forerunners... their smallest, weakest class of ships is called as "planet destroyers". Uh oh, indeed.

I have been reading Plutonium's posts since before you even started to post the arguments. Do not make any baseless assumptions on me, troll.

Also I said that I admitted Enterprise vs PoA is grossly miscalculated but I wanted to show the example how it works. You would need to calculate how much firepower would be required to break to Titanium, etc... whatever it is.

Just like other guy and I calculated on Forerunner's firepower based on Halo destruction and also PoA's destruction as well. There's only way to properly calculate forerunners since there isn't much information to tell about tech specs. However it did tell about sizes of warships, their capabilities such as can trigger stellar collapses, cause any star go supernova, also have even smallest warships dubbed as planet destroyers which would account for firepower in several hundred of teratons of TNT to single to double digit peratons of TNT to achieve like that.

And, you don't know anything about Halo universe, huh? You never played all Halo games and probably never read the books/encyclopedia. For now, I will not take your arguments seriously until you have played the halo games and read the books, then I can take you as reasonable debate.

I'm sorry but why you even waste your breath on this halo-related forums if you're siding with your beloved star trek or star wars or whatever? Why not post other forums somewhere else? There's hundreds of forums that were devoted to vs. threads and always have reasonable debates unlike your arguments here... >.>

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
@raganok99

I get the feeling your not reading plutoniums posts. Go up and read his post just before my SC post.
You might learn something and get yourself out from being wrapped around trying to prove something you already know is false.

Something worth while:
Old ships of starfleet were refit for the dominion war. The "Lakota" received quantums so its possible other Excelsior have been refit the same. Other star trek encyclopedias have stated Galaxys were WAR refit for the dominion war.


In and episode of TNG where the Enterprise was doing a test battle against an old star gazer class, riker and crew were able to fool the enterprise sensors into seeing a Romulan warbird, which wasnt really there. that being said, the enterprise could use same tactics againt the Halo universe. Fool them into seeing something that isnt there. I mean, by the same theory..
wait for it..

...
...
the enterprise could fool enemy sensors to make itself undetectable.
LMAO what now raganok99?

Halo ships are soo primitive in that technological aspect.
They wont even be able to detect it with that strategy.

you have been served. Peace.


says by star trek fanboy or starcraft fanboy...

You greatly underestimate the Halo universe. All right, let's bring up Forerunners/Flood, which those races will destroy your Star Trek unless Q Continuum comes up, and also star craft as well.

Let's face it, your beloved star trek isn't powerful enough to even match against Forerunners... their smallest, weakest class of ships is called as "planet destroyers". Uh oh, indeed.

I have been reading Plutonium's posts since before you even started to post the arguments. Do not make any baseless assumptions on me, troll.

Also I said that I admitted Enterprise vs PoA is grossly miscalculated but I wanted to show the example how it works. You would need to calculate how much firepower would be required to break to Titanium, etc... whatever it is.

Just like other guy and I calculated on Forerunner's firepower based on Halo destruction and also PoA's destruction as well. There's only way to properly calculate forerunners since there isn't much information to tell about tech specs. However it did tell about sizes of warships, their capabilities such as can trigger stellar collapses, cause any star go supernova, also have even smallest warships dubbed as planet destroyers which would account for firepower in several hundred of teratons of TNT to single to double digit peratons of TNT to achieve like that.

I don't know how the Flood would fare against the Zerg actually, unless we're talking the Flood the Forerunners faced, in which everything on the ground dies.

And bringing the Forerunners into a vs debate against anything that isn't above Culture tech or that doesn't have time travel capability results in a Tepes Award.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
@raganok99

I get the feeling your not reading plutoniums posts. Go up and read his post just before my SC post.
You might learn something and get yourself out from being wrapped around trying to prove something you already know is false.

Something worth while:
Old ships of starfleet were refit for the dominion war. The "Lakota" received quantums so its possible other Excelsior have been refit the same. Other star trek encyclopedias have stated Galaxys were WAR refit for the dominion war.


In and episode of TNG where the Enterprise was doing a test battle against an old star gazer class, riker and crew were able to fool the enterprise sensors into seeing a Romulan warbird, which wasnt really there. that being said, the enterprise could use same tactics againt the Halo universe. Fool them into seeing something that isnt there. I mean, by the same theory..
wait for it..

...
...
the enterprise could fool enemy sensors to make itself undetectable.
LMAO what now raganok99?

Halo ships are soo primitive in that technological aspect.
They wont even be able to detect it with that strategy.

you have been served. Peace.


says by star trek fanboy or starcraft fanboy...

You greatly underestimate the Halo universe. All right, let's bring up Forerunners/Flood, which those races will destroy your Star Trek unless Q Continuum comes up, and also star craft as well.

Let's face it, your beloved star trek isn't powerful enough to even match against Forerunners... their smallest, weakest class of ships is called as "planet destroyers". Uh oh, indeed.

I have been reading Plutonium's posts since before you even started to post the arguments. Do not make any baseless assumptions on me, troll.

Also I said that I admitted Enterprise vs PoA is grossly miscalculated but I wanted to show the example how it works. You would need to calculate how much firepower would be required to break to Titanium, etc... whatever it is.

Just like other guy and I calculated on Forerunner's firepower based on Halo destruction and also PoA's destruction as well. There's only way to properly calculate forerunners since there isn't much information to tell about tech specs. However it did tell about sizes of warships, their capabilities such as can trigger stellar collapses, cause any star go supernova, also have even smallest warships dubbed as planet destroyers which would account for firepower in several hundred of teratons of TNT to single to double digit peratons of TNT to achieve like that.

I don't know how the Flood would fare against the Zerg actually, unless we're talking the Flood the Forerunners faced, in which everything on the ground dies.

And bringing the Forerunners into a vs debate against anything that isn't above Culture tech or that doesn't have time travel capability results in a Tepes Award.


Flood vs Forerunners. Yes, ground dies quickly, also space as well! Gravemind can learn anything about zergs once they infect one of them then instantly infects other ships and use it as combat against the space. So, flood is pretty much formidable, I don't think that most of science fiction universe can fare against Flood. In my opinion, although.

And, forerunners aren't exactly extinct, actually. Read Cryptum books and also terminals in Halo 3. It says that there's high possibility that Forerunners didn't get wiped out, they probably went to other galaxy after firing the Halos. So I can safely bring it up against other universe, so since a hundred thousands years has passed, to 2553. So it's possible that Forerunners may have recovered to their old status as civilization.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
@raganok99

I get the feeling your not reading plutoniums posts. Go up and read his post just before my SC post.
You might learn something and get yourself out from being wrapped around trying to prove something you already know is false.

Something worth while:
Old ships of starfleet were refit for the dominion war. The "Lakota" received quantums so its possible other Excelsior have been refit the same. Other star trek encyclopedias have stated Galaxys were WAR refit for the dominion war.


In and episode of TNG where the Enterprise was doing a test battle against an old star gazer class, riker and crew were able to fool the enterprise sensors into seeing a Romulan warbird, which wasnt really there. that being said, the enterprise could use same tactics againt the Halo universe. Fool them into seeing something that isnt there. I mean, by the same theory..
wait for it..

...
...
the enterprise could fool enemy sensors to make itself undetectable.
LMAO what now raganok99?

Halo ships are soo primitive in that technological aspect.
They wont even be able to detect it with that strategy.

you have been served. Peace.


says by star trek fanboy or starcraft fanboy...

You greatly underestimate the Halo universe. All right, let's bring up Forerunners/Flood, which those races will destroy your Star Trek unless Q Continuum comes up, and also star craft as well.

Let's face it, your beloved star trek isn't powerful enough to even match against Forerunners... their smallest, weakest class of ships is called as "planet destroyers". Uh oh, indeed.

I have been reading Plutonium's posts since before you even started to post the arguments. Do not make any baseless assumptions on me, troll.

Also I said that I admitted Enterprise vs PoA is grossly miscalculated but I wanted to show the example how it works. You would need to calculate how much firepower would be required to break to Titanium, etc... whatever it is.

Just like other guy and I calculated on Forerunner's firepower based on Halo destruction and also PoA's destruction as well. There's only way to properly calculate forerunners since there isn't much information to tell about tech specs. However it did tell about sizes of warships, their capabilities such as can trigger stellar collapses, cause any star go supernova, also have even smallest warships dubbed as planet destroyers which would account for firepower in several hundred of teratons of TNT to single to double digit peratons of TNT to achieve like that.

I don't know how the Flood would fare against the Zerg actually, unless we're talking the Flood the Forerunners faced, in which everything on the ground dies.

And bringing the Forerunners into a vs debate against anything that isn't above Culture tech or that doesn't have time travel capability results in a Tepes Award.


Flood vs Forerunners. Yes, ground dies quickly, also space as well! Gravemind can learn anything about zergs once they infect one of them then instantly infects other ships and use it as combat against the space. So, flood is pretty much formidable, I don't think that most of science fiction universe can fare against Flood.

Until Gravemind hacks one, the Replicators would laugh at the Flood while eradicating the parasite. Even then, the collective would maybe stall Gravemind for a while... I dunno.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Ah yes, this thread. Oh how we have dismissed that claim.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
@raganok99

I get the feeling your not reading plutoniums posts. Go up and read his post just before my SC post.
You might learn something and get yourself out from being wrapped around trying to prove something you already know is false.

Something worth while:
Old ships of starfleet were refit for the dominion war. The "Lakota" received quantums so its possible other Excelsior have been refit the same. Other star trek encyclopedias have stated Galaxys were WAR refit for the dominion war.


In and episode of TNG where the Enterprise was doing a test battle against an old star gazer class, riker and crew were able to fool the enterprise sensors into seeing a Romulan warbird, which wasnt really there. that being said, the enterprise could use same tactics againt the Halo universe. Fool them into seeing something that isnt there. I mean, by the same theory..
wait for it..

...
...
the enterprise could fool enemy sensors to make itself undetectable.
LMAO what now raganok99?

Halo ships are soo primitive in that technological aspect.
They wont even be able to detect it with that strategy.

you have been served. Peace.


says by star trek fanboy or starcraft fanboy...

You greatly underestimate the Halo universe. All right, let's bring up Forerunners/Flood, which those races will destroy your Star Trek unless Q Continuum comes up, and also star craft as well.

Let's face it, your beloved star trek isn't powerful enough to even match against Forerunners... their smallest, weakest class of ships is called as "planet destroyers". Uh oh, indeed.

I have been reading Plutonium's posts since before you even started to post the arguments. Do not make any baseless assumptions on me, troll.

Also I said that I admitted Enterprise vs PoA is grossly miscalculated but I wanted to show the example how it works. You would need to calculate how much firepower would be required to break to Titanium, etc... whatever it is.

Just like other guy and I calculated on Forerunner's firepower based on Halo destruction and also PoA's destruction as well. There's only way to properly calculate forerunners since there isn't much information to tell about tech specs. However it did tell about sizes of warships, their capabilities such as can trigger stellar collapses, cause any star go supernova, also have even smallest warships dubbed as planet destroyers which would account for firepower in several hundred of teratons of TNT to single to double digit peratons of TNT to achieve like that.

I don't know how the Flood would fare against the Zerg actually, unless we're talking the Flood the Forerunners faced, in which everything on the ground dies.

And bringing the Forerunners into a vs debate against anything that isn't above Culture tech or that doesn't have time travel capability results in a Tepes Award.


Flood vs Forerunners. Yes, ground dies quickly, also space as well! Gravemind can learn anything about zergs once they infect one of them then instantly infects other ships and use it as combat against the space. So, flood is pretty much formidable, I don't think that most of science fiction universe can fare against Flood.

Until Gravemind hacks one, the Replicators would laugh at the Flood while eradicating the parasite. Even then, the collective would maybe stall Gravemind for a while... I dunno.

Well, I think he mean most organic races, if the Replicators you mean are the ones from Stargate.

[Edited on 06.16.2011 12:41 AM PDT]

  • 06.16.2011 12:40 AM PDT


Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
Quote memory alpha "See the canon link noted above or the policy for OUR take on things"
LOL they are aloud to make as many rules as they want on their site. they arnt owned or endorsed by paramount =)

Sorry bud.

EDIT: I should clarify. Cannon is not determined in star trek (at least, the horses mouth hasnt said so aka paramount) Some people consider games canon, others dont. the games however, are licensed and approved before hitting store shelves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZwfLbw1obk
You guys should watch this. (also shows p.d.p system on nebula)

@ 1:00 minute total awesomeness.
@ 1:09 Point Defense phasers
@ 1:25 shield draining sucka
@ 0:30 Covenant glassing, eat your heart out.
@ 1:58 CRAP YOUR PANTS


Actually, Star Trek canon is the movies and most of the TV shows, the books and games are not considered canon at all.


not that im arguing or anything, but im VERY curious:

Says who?
I want to know WHO is the one who determines Star trek Games are NOT cannon?
What is the gentlemans name who says "Star trek books and games are not cannon?
Source?


I just want to know...


The fellow who created Star Trek in the first place, and since then... CBS? I believe.

  • 06.16.2011 2:33 AM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
considering we know nothing of the precursors, it's ignorant to say they could survive a fight with a jedi, however i agree with you, forerunner capabilities alone would be enough to give these galaxies a run for their money, not to mention if we go even further back in the timeline than cryptum, human and san shyum rivaled the strength of forerunners, so there's
1) the modern unsc and covenant
2) the foreunners.
3)humans and san shyum before the great war
4)precursors
5)the flood
it's ironic to me that if the halo universe were to fight another universe, spartans would be less than a spec of dust compared to the other species in the battle.


-A Precursor could survive a freaking a Halo ring wave,that's extremely impressive,as no sentient species could survive it
But that proves they have some god abilities(transsentients)
-Their structures were proven to be indestructible to anything but Halo.

I haven't much time now :(


1. Ever considered technology was sheilding them?

2. Halos were created seemingly after the destroyed the precursors so no.



1.How could the tech support him if his entire prison had been destroyed?
The Halo ring wave destroyed any Precursor structure on the planet,including his prison.So yes he survived it.

2.What are you saying?


1. think of a dropshield and a rocket, if the dropshield took most of the damage, the being inside it would only take some damage.

2. I'm saying that the halos were created after the destruction of the precursors.

  • 06.16.2011 4:25 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
considering we know nothing of the precursors, it's ignorant to say they could survive a fight with a jedi, however i agree with you, forerunner capabilities alone would be enough to give these galaxies a run for their money, not to mention if we go even further back in the timeline than cryptum, human and san shyum rivaled the strength of forerunners, so there's
1) the modern unsc and covenant
2) the foreunners.
3)humans and san shyum before the great war
4)precursors
5)the flood
it's ironic to me that if the halo universe were to fight another universe, spartans would be less than a spec of dust compared to the other species in the battle.


-A Precursor could survive a freaking a Halo ring wave,that's extremely impressive,as no sentient species could survive it
But that proves they have some god abilities(transsentients)
-Their structures were proven to be indestructible to anything but Halo.

I haven't much time now :(


1. Ever considered technology was sheilding them?

2. Halos were created seemingly after the destroyed the precursors so no.



1.How could the tech support him if his entire prison had been destroyed?
The Halo ring wave destroyed any Precursor structure on the planet,including his prison.So yes he survived it.

2.What are you saying?


1. think of a dropshield and a rocket, if the dropshield took most of the damage, the being inside it would only take some damage.

2. I'm saying that the halos were created after the destruction of the precursors.


1.Problem is,the Halo wave ignores any object,it goes through it,so it had to go through the pod,to hit the others side.I don't think it's hard to believe the Precursor survived it,it's a transsentient being.

2.Ah okay

  • 06.16.2011 4:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: hotshot revan II
1.Problem is,the Halo wave ignores any object,it goes through it,so it had to go through the pod,to hit the other side.I don't think it's hard to believe the Precursor survived,it's a transsentient being.

2.Ah okay

Cryptum makes reference to a Time Bolt on the prison. After the humans talked to the Prisoner, they sealed the prison again and the San shuum placed a time bolt on it. We don't know what the bolt is, but it might have protected the Prisoner.

  • 06.16.2011 5:03 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II
1.Problem is,the Halo wave ignores any object,it goes through it,so it had to go through the pod,to hit the other side.I don't think it's hard to believe the Precursor survived,it's a transsentient being.

2.Ah okay

Cryptum makes reference to a Time Bolt on the prison. After the humans talked to the Prisoner, they sealed the prison again and the San shuum placed a time bolt on it. We don't know what the bolt is, but it might have protected the Prisoner.


I doubt it,i mean how could the Prophets create a defense against Halo if they didn't knew anything about it?

Not to mention..the ring wave went through the planet,so it had to hit the Prisoner.

  • 06.16.2011 7:33 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: IXI ZeroExE IXI
Quote memory alpha "See the canon link noted above or the policy for OUR take on things"
LOL they are aloud to make as many rules as they want on their site. they arnt owned or endorsed by paramount =)

Sorry bud.

EDIT: I should clarify. Cannon is not determined in star trek (at least, the horses mouth hasnt said so aka paramount) Some people consider games canon, others dont. the games however, are licensed and approved before hitting store shelves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZwfLbw1obk
You guys should watch this. (also shows p.d.p system on nebula)

@ 1:00 minute total awesomeness.
@ 1:09 Point Defense phasers
@ 1:25 shield draining sucka
@ 0:30 Covenant glassing, eat your heart out.
@ 1:58 CRAP YOUR PANTS


Actually, Star Trek canon is the movies and most of the TV shows, the books and games are not considered canon at all.


not that im arguing or anything, but im VERY curious:

Says who?
I want to know WHO is the one who determines Star trek Games are NOT cannon?
What is the gentlemans name who says "Star trek books and games are not cannon?
Source?


I just want to know...


The fellow who created Star Trek in the first place, and since then... CBS? I believe.


Here's the proof:

Only that which is released in a movie format or a TV show format is considered canon. Books, games, comics are not considered canon. Memory Beta is the non-canon Trek wiki; Memory Alpha is the canon wiki.

  • 06.16.2011 7:41 AM PDT

Welcome to bungie, you have no rights. play nice!
CLICK!

Is any one forgetting that the halo uses supermassive neutrinos? Neutrinos!

  • 06.16.2011 7:45 AM PDT