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Subject: Am I the only one tired of people saying ME or SW would destroy Halo?
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Posted by: Spartan 100
Is any one forgetting that the halo uses supermassive neutrinos? Neutrinos!


Lol thx,now we have more confirmation that it ignores matter.

That explains why it goes through planets like nothing.

And the Precursor took it like nothing.

  • 06.16.2011 7:48 AM PDT
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We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II
1.Problem is,the Halo wave ignores any object,it goes through it,so it had to go through the pod,to hit the other side.I don't think it's hard to believe the Precursor survived,it's a transsentient being.

2.Ah okay

Cryptum makes reference to a Time Bolt on the prison. After the humans talked to the Prisoner, they sealed the prison again and the San shuum placed a time bolt on it. We don't know what the bolt is, but it might have protected the Prisoner.


I doubt it,i mean how could the Prophets create a defense against Halo if they didn't knew anything about it?

Not to mention..the ring wave went through the planet,so it had to hit the Prisoner.

Aim not saying that the Prophets knew about the Halos, I'm saying that the Time Bolt may have done something that enabled the Prisoner to survive.

Like having the Prisoner a second out of sync with the rest of the universe (a la Doctor Who or The Necrons)

  • 06.16.2011 9:02 AM PDT

The flood is perfect biology? pfft Commander Shepard is perfect biology.



Please don't troll me =D

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II
1.Problem is,the Halo wave ignores any object,it goes through it,so it had to go through the pod,to hit the other side.I don't think it's hard to believe the Precursor survived,it's a transsentient being.

2.Ah okay

Cryptum makes reference to a Time Bolt on the prison. After the humans talked to the Prisoner, they sealed the prison again and the San shuum placed a time bolt on it. We don't know what the bolt is, but it might have protected the Prisoner.


I doubt it,i mean how could the Prophets create a defense against Halo if they didn't knew anything about it?

Not to mention..the ring wave went through the planet,so it had to hit the Prisoner.

Aim not saying that the Prophets knew about the Halos, I'm saying that the Time Bolt may have done something that enabled the Prisoner to survive.

Like having the Prisoner a second out of sync with the rest of the universe (a la Doctor Who or The Necrons)


While i don't have Cryptum now with me,on halopedian it says it was used to prevent the prisoner from escaping.

  • 06.16.2011 10:07 AM PDT

the time bolt is probably a small enclosed portion of slipspace or something, since my understanding is that anything in slipspace is safe from the effects of the installations?

  • 06.16.2011 11:57 AM PDT

Neutrinos, those critters, biggest problem with the writers using them as the main ingredient to the 'weapon' is the fact Neutrinos don't interact with matter, making them well harmless. We are all right now, this second being bombarded by millions of Neutrinos and were not getting damaged, so how someone would expect to use such a particle as a weapon is insane. Even the more massive Neutrinos caused by things like supernovae are as far as I am aware harmless, chances of being killed by a Neutrino are more or less zero. Also just because the Forerunner are more advanced doesn't mean they have the ability to fundamentally change the nature of a type of universal particle to suit their needs as a weapon. So unless something has changed in the time since I was studying physics Neutrinos are harmless and totally non-viable as a weapon.

  • 06.16.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sinnerj117
We are Reapers. Prepare to be indoctrinated!
/thread


heh, funny.

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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II
1.Problem is,the Halo wave ignores any object,it goes through it,so it had to go through the pod,to hit the other side.I don't think it's hard to believe the Precursor survived,it's a transsentient being.

2.Ah okay

Cryptum makes reference to a Time Bolt on the prison. After the humans talked to the Prisoner, they sealed the prison again and the San shuum placed a time bolt on it. We don't know what the bolt is, but it might have protected the Prisoner.


I doubt it,i mean how could the Prophets create a defense against Halo if they didn't knew anything about it?

Not to mention..the ring wave went through the planet,so it had to hit the Prisoner.

A I'm not saying that the Prophets knew about the Halos, I'm saying that the Time Bolt may have done something that enabled the Prisoner to survive.

Like having the Prisoner a second out of sync with the rest of the universe (a la Doctor Who or The Necrons)


While i don't have Cryptum now with me,on halopedian it says it was used to prevent the prisoner from escaping.

If the Prisoner is a few second out of sync with the rest of the Universe (or trapped in a small bubble of slipspace), I am sure he will not be going anywhere, anytime soon.

@sinnerj117
Ah yes, "the Reapers", an immortal race of sentient spaceships supposedly capable of destroying all life. We have dismissed that claim.

[Edited on 06.16.2011 12:52 PM PDT]

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Although I haven't read cryptum yet I still say HALO WINS! If your looking at the forerunners than the tech is eons past what star wars has. If your looking at humanity than we still win. The jedi and sith are the only ones who can use the force so they would be at the top. In the case of halo the spartans are the elite. Although I'll admit the jedi are powerfull most of them can barely lift a ship so against a spartan who moves so fast they're just a blur a jedi is hopeless. The few who are strong enough are so few that really who frigginn cares. As to the rest of the star wars population the tech is actually not as advanced the weapons wether it be hand held or on a ship really don't do that much damage compared to plasma weapons,M.A.C. cannons,nukes (especially the NOVA) and spartan lasers. Yes the humans still use bullets and yes there is the death star but in whole thats a very small matter compared to everything else. As for mass effect and other titles they really don't stand a chance.

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Posted by: Sinnerj117
We are Reapers. Prepare to be indoctrinated!
/thread


The Reapers are wiped out by a single patrol fleet before they even come close to indoctrinating a Forerunner, or are cluster-hacked by the Forerunner fleet captain's personal ancilla.

  • 06.16.2011 1:38 PM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Sinnerj117
We are Reapers. Prepare to be indoctrinated!
/thread


The Reapers are wiped out by a single patrol fleet before they even come close to indoctrinating a Forerunner, or are cluster-hacked by the Forerunner fleet captain's personal ancilla.


Yeah... cause a single AI can hack and entire fleet of basically sentient AIs.

Calling bull-blam!-.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Sinnerj117
We are Reapers. Prepare to be indoctrinated!
/thread


The Reapers are wiped out by a single patrol fleet before they even come close to indoctrinating a Forerunner, or are cluster-hacked by the Forerunner fleet captain's personal ancilla.


Yeah... cause a single AI can hack and entire fleet of basically sentient AIs.

Calling bull-blam!-.


Only becuase an AI can control trillions of ships compared to what under 500 reapers?

  • 06.16.2011 1:52 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Sinnerj117
We are Reapers. Prepare to be indoctrinated!
/thread


The Reapers are wiped out by a single patrol fleet before they even come close to indoctrinating a Forerunner, or are cluster-hacked by the Forerunner fleet captain's personal ancilla.


Yeah... cause a single AI can hack and entire fleet of basically sentient AIs.

Calling bull-blam!-.


Only becuase an AI can control trillions of ships compared to what under 500 reapers?


If you are talking about Bias, they were built for that.

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[Posted by: hotshot revan II
1.Problem is,the Halo wave ignores any object,it goes through it,so it had to go through the pod,to hit the other side.I don't think it's hard to believe the Precursor survived,it's a transsentient being.

2.Ah okay[/quote]
Cryptum makes reference to a Time Bolt on the prison. After the humans talked to the Prisoner, they sealed the prison again and the San shuum placed a time bolt on it. We don't know what the bolt is, but it might have protected the Prisoner.[/quote]

I doubt it,i mean how could the Prophets create a defense against Halo if they didn't knew anything about it?

Not to mention..the ring wave went through the planet,so it had to hit the Prisoner.[/quote]
A I'm not saying that the Prophets knew about the Halos, I'm saying that the Time Bolt may have done something that enabled the Prisoner to survive.

Like having the Prisoner a second out of sync with the rest of the universe (a la Doctor Who or The Necrons)[/quote]

While i don't have Cryptum now with me,on halopedian it says it was used to prevent the prisoner from escaping.[/quote]
If the Prisoner is a few second out of sync with the rest of the Universe (or trapped in a small bubble of slipspace), I am sure he will not be going anywhere, anytime soon.

@sinnerj117
Ah yes, "the Reapers", an immortal race of sentient spaceships supposedly capable of destroying all life. We have dismissed that claim.


Assumptions

I don't know if you read Cryptum but there wasn't any mention of slipspace prison.It was just inside a Precursor pod that can be opened any time to talk with it.

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Assumptions

I don't know if you read Cryptum but there wasn't any mention of slipspace prison.It was just inside a Precursor pod that can be opened any time to talk with it.

Pretty much all we do on this forum is assume. We know nothing about the Prisoner at all. We don't know if he survived the halo ring by himself or if something protected him. We don't even know if he is a Precursor, all we have is his word on that and he could be lying.

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Assumptions

I don't know if you read Cryptum but there wasn't any mention of slipspace prison.It was just inside a Precursor pod that can be opened any time to talk with it.

Pretty much all we do on this forum is assume. We know nothing about the Prisoner at all. We don't know if he survived the halo ring by himself or if something protected him. We don't even know if he is a Precursor, all we have is his word on that and he could be lying.


Only assume?So talks about augmentations are assumptions too?
Well yea he might be lying.

But how could something have protected him if it was nothing more then a pod,the pod itself was destroyed too so it couldn't have protected him.

And the example of rocket launcher vs drop shield(someone pulled that one out) is stupid as the Halo wave goes through everything unless you are are out of range or in another space.

  • 06.17.2011 5:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Assumptions

I don't know if you read Cryptum but there wasn't any mention of slipspace prison.It was just inside a Precursor pod that can be opened any time to talk with it.

Pretty much all we do on this forum is assume. We know nothing about the Prisoner at all. We don't know if he survived the halo ring by himself or if something protected him. We don't even know if he is a Precursor, all we have is his word on that and he could be lying.


Only assume?So talks about augmentations are assumptions too?
Well yea he might be lying.

But how could something have protected him if it was nothing more then a pod,the pod itself was destroyed too so it couldn't have protected him.

And the example of rocket launcher vs drop shield(someone pulled that one out) is stupid as the Halo wave goes through everything unless you are are out of range or in another space.


1.What does augmentations have to do with this?

2.Who said it was the pod?

3. What I meant was it might have been some type of tech used to affect the neutrinos.


[Edited on 06.17.2011 5:34 AM PDT]

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Assumptions

I don't know if you read Cryptum but there wasn't any mention of slipspace prison.It was just inside a Precursor pod that can be opened any time to talk with it.

Pretty much all we do on this forum is assume. We know nothing about the Prisoner at all. We don't know if he survived the halo ring by himself or if something protected him. We don't even know if he is a Precursor, all we have is his word on that and he could be lying.


Only assume?So talks about augmentations are assumptions too?
Well yea he might be lying.

But how could something have protected him if it was nothing more then a pod,the pod itself was destroyed too so it couldn't have protected him.

And the example of rocket launcher vs drop shield(someone pulled that one out) is stupid as the Halo wave goes through everything unless you are are out of range or in another space.


1.What does augmentations have to do with this?

2.Who said it was the pod?

3. What I meant was it might have been some type of tech used to affect the neutrinos.


1.Because he said that all we do in these forums is assuming,i brought augmentations up as an example.Forget it

2.Then what was it,you can't just pull of random info out of air to figure out how the prisoner was protected,even if we clearly know the Precursors had no defense against Halo.

3.Yet the pod was still destroyed,it's just made of Precursor material and we know it has a weakness against the ring.

  • 06.17.2011 5:41 AM PDT

he is a Precursor, when you analyse things it has no reason to be deceitful so wouldn't imagine it was pretending or trying to wind them up. also would guess it was some sort of 'pod' that held the prisoner, pods don't have to be a set size, they can range from tiny to enormous! also it probably realised that Neutrinos are harmless, had a good old laugh at the Forerunner fools and left.

  • 06.17.2011 3:41 PM PDT

must admit though, the longer this discussion goes on the more I am starting to realise that a comparison is impossible as long as things like Precursors and stuff get brought into it. the Precursors might very well be like the Xel'Naga from Starcraft, in other words powerful and advanced but not hostile or warlike.

also even though the Reapers are 'inferior' to most science fiction races (though that is simply through all these number-gasms that fly around cyberspace!) they are one of the more interesting enemies, rather mysterious and maybe underestimated. the biggest problem is they are from a universe where preposterous numbers aren't common and the weapons aren't said to be as powerful as thousands of stars (Star Wars!), they are interesting, feared and powerful in the same respect that the Borg are, they take your freedom and twist you against your will, which is a fate worse than death for most.

overall though, in terms of scientific power and such the Halo Universe is one of the weaker ones around, due to its being grounded in reality (exception of Forerunner, they are an unexplainable race, which is all good!) with projectile weapons and nuclear weapons, even plasma is pretty box standard stuff in science fiction. but just because its one of the weakest, does it make it one of the worse? I would argue no, its one of the better science fiction universes around!

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Make new Halos. Send them to other game universes. Activate them from the Ark. Win.

  • 06.17.2011 8:13 PM PDT


Posted by: nightspark
Make new Halos. Send them to other game universes. Activate them from the Ark. Win.


Not really. If you do that, the Empire would have an army still and would have clones ready in just a week time. The Empire actually has a failsafe for the a thing such as the rings, the droids would step in and auto drive the Ships and guard all plants under Imperial control. Clones would begin production and be ready in a week.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: nightspark
Make new Halos. Send them to other game universes. Activate them from the Ark. Win.


Not really. If you do that, the Empire would have an army still and would have clones ready in just a week time. The Empire actually has a failsafe for the a thing such as the rings, the droids would step in and auto drive the Ships and guard all plants under Imperial control. Clones would begin production and be ready in a week.
*Sigh*

in that case tune the halo's for a destructive firing and everything would then be destroyed.

  • 06.17.2011 8:20 PM PDT

Why don't we start out small guys? Let's put a Tie Fighter against a Seraph.

At Reach, We saw Seraphs being shot down by UNSC AA guns in seconds.
32 - 96 Terawatt level blasters would have absolutely no trouble at all.
Honestly the fact that Saber fighters can take them out using bullets is proof that their shields won't hold up to a concentrated atomic bomb.

It's unlikely they would be able to withstand many hits, however it's even less likely that they would be hit at all.

TIE Fighters are designed for speed and manoeuvrability, not survivability (considering their own weapons blast through Shielding so easily)

They also have extremely sophisticated ECM and ECCM (far better than that of an X-Wing). Covenent weapons would be unable to get a lock on them, if they show up on anything but visual scanning at all.

Again said speed and manoeuvrability cannot be overstated, Capable of accelerations upwards of 5,000g in linear open space. In Combat their engine performance drops significantly due to the fact that TIEs are always near either a base or a fleet. Bases and Capital Ships are capable of ECM so powerful that it causes enormous spacial distortions in the area, reducing engine performance by up to 99.7% (The performance we see of Fighters in during the Battle of Yavin was them operating at a 0.3% capacity.)

We do know however that TIE Fighters, especially interceptors (which eventually replaced the TIE Fighters entirely) can be retrofitted with Shield generators without much of an engine or weapon performance reduction (personally I'd take a terawatt from the weapons and put it into the shields, which would make them impervious to any Covenant or UNSC fighter while still being able to easily destroy them and their carrier vessels)

Covenant shields can withstand ~5 Megatons of of concentrated energy, which would mean it would take a single fighter about 4 - 11 minutes to bring them down (If they can recharge shields while being attacked that could pose a minor problem), But where there's one TIE Fighter there's at least a dozen. Even using low end estimates a Squadron of TIE Fighters would rip through a CC-S Class Battleship in 15 seconds flat.

A TIE Defender could easily do it on it's own without even expending any ordnance. They say That Covenant weaponry is weak vs plasma weapons, which given the characteristics of Covenant weapons Star Wars Blasters may be able to exploit this as well (not sure if they mean a 1 gigajoule slug has a harder time than a 1 gigajoule plasma bolt, but if they do then things are looking even worse for them than before.)

One thing is for certain however, they are very vulnerable to EMP, and Ion Cannons would batter down their shields very, very fast.

Must I say more?

  • 06.17.2011 8:21 PM PDT