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Subject: Ending of the Halo storyline "Spoiler"

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Posted by: Monitor117
His bones and everything he was injected with already affects the way he ages.

I cannot see how it does. There is nothing in his augmentation regime that is associated with anything that is thought to cause ageing. Can you give evidence here?

Posted by: Monitor117
You also need to think about the future. The future of the storyline is already about to put him in the midst of the forerunners themselves.

The Forerunners are not a part of Marathon. There is the Jjaro if I remember correctly, but they are more akin to the Precursor. There is no analogue of the Forerunner in Marathon as far as I know. This is does not really hep your case. It does not suggest that MC is MM in anyway.

Posted by: Monitor117
For all we know he might put himself BACK into cryogenic sleep and that can probably last him the rest of the 200 years or so.

You just said that Marathon has the big crunch in a few billion years... The point is, MC will not be around for even a fraction of that time.

Posted by: Monitor117
And also.. This is a game.. there's A LOT about "Halo Biology" if you will, that we don't know about. The focus is the future of the story line, Please pay attention.

It is sci-fi, not fantasy.

  • 06.10.2011 9:09 AM PDT

I don't think its that simple, but imagine this.

MC lands. He goes to a series of terminal through which the didact imparts his memories on to master chief. About half the major gameplay segments are of you atually playing through didacts memories, while the other half consist of MC searching for the terminals that contain didacts memories, fighting through forerunner defenses, put there to stop the flood if they ever got through. Naturally, this ties in very closely to Greg Bears forerunner trilogy.

Through didacts memories we learn about the prisoner (who is still alive). Master chief, who thanks to didacts memories knows how to use forerunner weaponry, must face the "ancient evil" and defeat it. He gets a suit of forerunner power armor and stuff.

Then didact, from the great beyond (or perhaps from the great journey), speaks to the chief. He tells the chief what has been going on. All this time ONI has secretly been a way for the forerunners to monitor and guide humanity from the great beyond. All along John was destined for this. John has been imparted with all of didacts memories, and the forerunner technology. He in a sense becomes the new didact.

John takes his knowledge, forerunner technology and the mantle, and returns home to earth as the didact, so that he may guide humanity as they rebuild the galaxy, scarred, broken and in turmoil after the human-covenant-flood war, and rebuild. He will guide humanity as the take up the mantle that forerunners left them.

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Posted by: Monitor117
His bones and everything he was injected with already affects the way he ages.

I cannot see how it does. There is nothing in his augmentation regime that is associated with anything that is thought to cause ageing. Can you give evidence here?

You don't have evidence that it doesn't, stop trying to prove a case that has nothing to do with what im asking for.

Posted by: Monitor117
You also need to think about the future. The future of the storyline is already about to put him in the midst of the forerunners themselves.

The Forerunners are not a part of Marathon. There is the Jjaro if I remember correctly, but they are more akin to the Precursor. There is no analogue of the Forerunner in Marathon as far as I know. This is does not really hep your case. It does not suggest that MC is MM in anyway.


Did i SAY the forerunners were in marathon? by future i meant Halo 4 and the teaser.

Posted by: Monitor117
For all we know he might put himself BACK into cryogenic sleep and that can probably last him the rest of the 200 years or so.

You just said that Marathon has the big crunch in a few billion years... The point is, MC will not be around for even a fraction of that time.

a few billion years.. WTF?? it says right THERE^ 200!! the events of marathon were exactly 228 years AFTER the events of halo 3.

Posted by: Monitor117
And also.. This is a game.. there's A LOT about "Halo Biology" if you will, that we don't know about. The focus is the future of the story line, Please pay attention.

It is sci-fi, not fantasy.


The "fi" in "sci-fi" stands for "Fiction"

@anton, please re-read my past posted and reply with something that has nothing to do with his biological/mechanical features.

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Posted by: Wazooty
I don't think its that simple, but imagine this.

MC lands. He goes to a series of terminal through which the didact imparts his memories on to master chief. About half the major gameplay segments are of you atually playing through didacts memories, while the other half consist of MC searching for the terminals that contain didacts memories, fighting through forerunner defenses, put there to stop the flood if they ever got through. Naturally, this ties in very closely to Greg Bears forerunner trilogy.

Through didacts memories we learn about the prisoner (who is still alive). Master chief, who thanks to didacts memories knows how to use forerunner weaponry, must face the "ancient evil" and defeat it. He gets a suit of forerunner power armor and stuff.

Then didact, from the great beyond (or perhaps from the great journey), speaks to the chief. He tells the chief what has been going on. All this time ONI has secretly been a way for the forerunners to monitor and guide humanity from the great beyond. All along John was destined for this. John has been imparted with all of didacts memories, and the forerunner technology. He in a sense becomes the new didact.

John takes his knowledge, forerunner technology and the mantle, and returns home to earth as the didact, so that he may guide humanity as they rebuild the galaxy, scarred, broken and in turmoil after the human-covenant-flood war, and rebuild. He will guide humanity as the take up the mantle that forerunners left them.


*sheds tears
This is beautiful, this is the type of reply i've been looking for b/c i read that John117 may not have a genetic mark like the others, hinting that he may be of direct descendantcy (i think i made that word up but you get it) to the ancient race of the forerunners. You know the shields the suits give off? you see those on the ships of the covenant but NOT the ships of the humans. The shields on the suits are activated by spartan thoughts.. do you see where im going here. It plays almost perfectly with what you're saying. I'de like to see more of this..

*prays

  • 06.10.2011 9:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
You don't have evidence that it doesn't, stop trying to prove a case that has nothing to do with what im asking for.

Typical response. I actually anticipated this. How the hell can I give evidence for something that does not exist? You made the positive claim (In saying that the augments give him his longevity for your theory) so you provide the proof. Burden of proof is on you.

Posted by: Monitor117
Did i SAY the forerunners were in marathon? by future i meant Halo 4 and the teaser.

You are essentially saying that Halo = Marathon. Your theory failed here. Don't bullsh­it around. You are saying that Master Chief is the Marathon man. You said that in your OP:

Even though bungie denies it now, the Ceo at one point did in fact state that master chief IS in fact the Marathon man.
As well as other references to Marathon. This just seems like another Marathon = Halo to me. Otherwise why include Marathon in your post? What has Marathon go tot do with anything?

Posted by: Monitor117
a few billion years.. WTF?? it says right THERE^ 200!! the events of marathon were exactly 228 years AFTER the events of halo 3.

You are saying that somehow Master Chief will be able to live until the end of the universe. In Marathon that is several billion years. I'm not talking about the gap between the games. You don't even know your own ideas.

Posted by: Monitor117
The "fi" in "sci-fi" stands for "Fiction"

And the "Sci" part means "Science", as in things usually have a coherent explanation, of which there is none for this.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 9:46 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 9:44 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Chief can't undergo rampancy.

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Posted by: Monitor117
You don't have evidence that it doesn't, stop trying to prove a case that has nothing to do with what im asking for.

Typical response. I actually anticipated this. How the hell can I give evidence for something that does not exist? You made the positive claim (In saying that the augments give him his longevity for your theory) so you provide the proof. Burden of proof is on you.

"How the hell can I give evidence for something that does not exist?" They COULD give him his longevity.. but i also said the cryogenic sleep could do it too, seeing as his body is in fact younger than his age b/c of it. This argument here has nothing to do with what i ask.


Posted by: Monitor117
Did i SAY the forerunners were in marathon? by future i meant Halo 4 and the teaser.

You are essentially saying that Halo = Marathon. Your theory failed here. Don't bullsh­it around. You are saying that Master Chief is the Marathon man. You said that in your OP:

Halo=Halo, its the story of the Halo weapon. Marathon is a different battle. Marathon is later..and yes, i did say MC is MM, i didn't say he wasn't so i didnt bull$hit. This also has nothing to do with what i ask.

Even though bungie denies it now, the Ceo at one point did in fact state that master chief IS in fact the Marathon man.
As well as other references to Marathon. This just seems like another Marathon = Halo to me. Otherwise why include Marathon in your post? What has Marathon go tot do with anything?

I told you what Marathon has to do with this, go to the very first post and click on the link that i Hyperlinked as "website"

Posted by: Monitor117
a few billion years.. WTF?? it says right THERE^ 200!! the events of marathon were exactly 228 years AFTER the events of halo 3.

You are saying that somehow Master Chief will be able to live until the end of the universe. In Marathon that is several billion years. I'm not talking about the gap between the games. You don't even know your own ideas.

"Yes the final screen would suggest that both Durandal and the Player survive to see the very point of collapse, that one moment in time, when all become one. Escaping this point would potentially allow the survivor to become God in the next Universe created after the closure. This is what Durandal meant when he said Escape will make me God on "Colony Ship For Sale, Cheap" <-- this is the end of the universe, which happens at the end of marathon, you either didn't play the game or did not click on the site i posted.

Posted by: Monitor117
The "fi" in "sci-fi" stands for "Fiction"

And the "Sci" part means "Science", as in things usually have a coherent explanation, of which there is none for this.


Yes you're right.. it means science.. science FICTION, no matter what you say or do.. it's still fiction. gtfover it.

Please follow the golden example of my Wazooty please.

  • 06.10.2011 10:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117
This argument here has nothing to do with what i ask.

Which is?

Posted by: Monitor117
They COULD give him his longevity..

The could also give him a a pair of wings and let him fly. It would make as much sense as them making him live past 300!

Posted by: Monitor117
but i also said the cryogenic sleep could do it too,

Get him into the Marathon timeline? Sure. To the end of the universe like in Marathon. No chance. MM may be able to do it because he is augmented by things like Jjaro technology apparently, but Master chief is 99.99% pure Human. It is only that neural implant that is a part of him.

Posted by: Monitor117
"Yes the final screen would suggest that both Durandal and the Player survive to see the very point of collapse, that one moment in time, when all become one. Escaping this point would potentially allow the survivor to become God in the next Universe created after the closure. This is what Durandal meant when he said Escape will make me God on "Colony Ship For Sale, Cheap" <-- this is the end of the universe, which happens at the end of marathon, you either didn't play the game or did not click on the site i posted.

You have no idea what you just said. This is called the Big Crunch, the end of the universe. The Big Crunch happens billions of years into the future.

[Edited on 06.10.2011 10:12 AM PDT]

  • 06.10.2011 10:04 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117


Couple things you should know about the Universe Forum. Don't make numerous spam threads, even if they are canonically based, and don't haven attitude like yours. Going "get over it" will not get you far here. How about you argue anton's points instead of ignoring them?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Chief can't undergo rampancy.


"His only link to being a machine would be his UNSC-standard neural interface" <-- this was said earlier in this thread.

Also, if you wan't to say Chief can't undergo rampancy b/c he is human, my argument is all humans experience rampancy in their life. Melancholia, Hatred and Jealousy. Don't confuse jealousy for the feeling you get when you see your ex with someone that is better than you either. Look up rampancy from halo nation or google it.

  • 06.10.2011 10:04 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Chief can't undergo rampancy.


"His only link to being a machine would be his UNSC-standard neural interface" <-- this was said earlier in this thread.

Also, if you wan't to say Chief can't undergo rampancy b/c he is human, my argument is all humans experience rampancy in their life. Melancholia, Hatred and Jealousy. Don't confuse jealousy for the feeling you get when you see your ex with someone that is better than you either. Look up rampancy from halo nation or google it.

Considering millions in the UNSC have neural implants and have failed to go rampant, you'll need something else.

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Posted by: Monitor117
This argument here has nothing to do with what i ask.

Which is?


Listen bro (im sorry if calling you "bro" is demeaning in any way", all i want, is something like what Wazooty replied with or the exact opposite. Maybe i'm missing something, like maybe there's perfect proof that says MC isnt MM, other than MM's security officer number. OR maybe you can link MM's security officer number to some other spartan that i have overlooked. Maybe MM died and i overlooked that too? idk, but do you understand? Look for a contradiction in the story, not the science. I'm not trying to be technical here, you guys are just forcing me to be.

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Posted by: Monitor117

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Chief can't undergo rampancy.


"His only link to being a machine would be his UNSC-standard neural interface" <-- this was said earlier in this thread.

Also, if you wan't to say Chief can't undergo rampancy b/c he is human, my argument is all humans experience rampancy in their life. Melancholia, Hatred and Jealousy. Don't confuse jealousy for the feeling you get when you see your ex with someone that is better than you either. Look up rampancy from halo nation or google it.

Considering millions in the UNSC have neural implants and have failed to go rampant, you'll need something else.


You ignored everything else i said xD and millions in the UNSC don't have AI's inside of their heads. Keep in mind Cortana isn't the only AI in the Bungie universe to go rampant.

  • 06.10.2011 10:13 AM PDT

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I don't have time for this crap thread anymore. The OP is making less sense than a 3 year old and keeps on dancing around the point. I don't have a bloody clue what the hell he is on about.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117


Couple things you should know about the Universe Forum. Don't make numerous spam threads, even if they are canonically based, and don't haven attitude like yours. Going "get over it" will not get you far here. How about you argue anton's points instead of ignoring them?


Also, thanks for this. I just realized that this is the "Bungie Universe" forums. Which is probably a hint towards anything made by bungie being part of the same universe.

but alas.. this only confirms what i have already told.

Please you guys.. i'm not trying to argue in a competitive way.. i'm not asking for any technical arguments, I want you to argue with me in an industrial kind of way. Like when you're head of an industry and you ask your team of worker to come up with ideas. One of them spits out an idea and says "No!, that can't be right b/c in this story we already wrote jesus was revived 3 days later, so there's no way jesus could have said "screw you" to the jews a day before he revived! What you guys are doing is saying "people can't revive!" but above the teammate didn't say that at all b/c that would be technical even though the story is already fictional. Think about it.. we are a team.. trying to find out the truth.. again.. look to Wazooty's post for a prime example.

  • 06.10.2011 10:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Monitor117

You ignored everything else i said xD and millions in the UNSC don't have AI's inside of their heads. Keep in mind Cortana isn't the only AI in the Bungie universe to go rampant.



Both Lord Hood and Captain Keyes had neural implants. Pretty sure all officers had them too. They technically are cyborgs as well.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Monitor117

You ignored everything else i said xD and millions in the UNSC don't have AI's inside of their heads. Keep in mind Cortana isn't the only AI in the Bungie universe to go rampant.



Both Lord Hood and Captain Keyes had neural implants. Pretty sure all officers had them too. They technically are cyborgs as well.


"You ignored everything else i said xD and millions in the UNSC don't have AI's inside of their heads."

  • 06.10.2011 10:36 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Monitor117

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Posted by: Monitor117

You ignored everything else i said xD and millions in the UNSC don't have AI's inside of their heads. Keep in mind Cortana isn't the only AI in the Bungie universe to go rampant.



Both Lord Hood and Captain Keyes had neural implants. Pretty sure all officers had them too. They technically are cyborgs as well.


"You ignored everything else i said xD and millions in the UNSC don't have AI's inside of their heads."

And you ignore the fact Chief is not an AI who can think himself to death. That is the byproduct of rampancy.

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The byproduct of rampancy is actually Metastability

Also, rampancy is basically an AI going through emotions, which Master Chief as a cyborg still has.. for now, maybe even. Didn't i already say it didn't matter if he could become rampant or not already? You keep reading articles and then stating that you've only read half of it and disregarded the rest.

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  • 06.10.2011 10:58 AM PDT
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Before you can say you believe it or not, you kinda have to GO BACK AND RE READ EVERYTHING BUNGIE EVER WROTE and say "Hard to believe b/c from THIS i conclude etc..."

otherwise you just go -BLAMyourself.

  • 06.10.2011 11:07 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Monitor117
Before you can say you believe it or not, you kinda have to GO BACK AND RE READ EVERYTHING BUNGIE EVER WROTE and say "Hard to believe b/c from THIS i conclude etc..."

otherwise you just go -BLAMyourself.

Remember what I said about things NOT to do? Way to disregard that.

  • 06.10.2011 11:11 AM PDT
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Well I made my thread pretty specific and changed whatever when i needed to. Why would i want someone ruining the thread with pointless replies that do no one absolutely nothing?

  • 06.10.2011 11:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wazooty
I don't think its that simple, but imagine this.

MC lands. He goes to a series of terminal through which the didact imparts his memories on to master chief. About half the major gameplay segments are of you atually playing through didacts memories, while the other half consist of MC searching for the terminals that contain didacts memories, fighting through forerunner defenses, put there to stop the flood if they ever got through. Naturally, this ties in very closely to Greg Bears forerunner trilogy.

Through didacts memories we learn about the prisoner (who is still alive). Master chief, who thanks to didacts memories knows how to use forerunner weaponry, must face the "ancient evil" and defeat it. He gets a suit of forerunner power armor and stuff.

Then didact, from the great beyond (or perhaps from the great journey), speaks to the chief. He tells the chief what has been going on. All this time ONI has secretly been a way for the forerunners to monitor and guide humanity from the great beyond. All along John was destined for this. John has been imparted with all of didacts memories, and the forerunner technology. He in a sense becomes the new didact.

John takes his knowledge, forerunner technology and the mantle, and returns home to earth as the didact, so that he may guide humanity as they rebuild the galaxy, scarred, broken and in turmoil after the human-covenant-flood war, and rebuild. He will guide humanity as the take up the mantle that forerunners left them.


*sheds tears
This is beautiful, this is the type of reply i've been looking for b/c i read that John117 may not have a genetic mark like the others, hinting that he may be of direct descendantcy (i think i made that word up but you get it) to the ancient race of the forerunners. You know the shields the suits give off? you see those on the ships of the covenant but NOT the ships of the humans. The shields on the suits are activated by spartan thoughts.. do you see where im going here. It plays almost perfectly with what you're saying. I'de like to see more of this..

*prays


Thanks! I've sort of wanted halo to end kind of the way I described, and who knows, maybe its closer to what will actually happen than we think.

Some other htings to consider:

Frankie said in an interview that the new trilogy ties in things from past games, current games, and current fiction, I think implying that it has a lot to do with the forerunner trilogy.

And this is just something I noticed:

In the epilogue to halo reach, it cites the year 2589. In the back left there looks to be a ship of some sort, but it certainly isn't completely human. There's also the fact that reach somehow completely regrew in a matter of 30 years...sounds completely off.

But if something like what I said is true, then by 2589, humans will have integrated forerunner technology into theirs, and the ship may reflect that, hence why it doesn't look complete human. And the forerunners could literally make planets. The only plausible way for reach to have regrown in 30 years is with some help from forerunner technology. So that entire scene could be a glimpse of what these next 3 games will bring.



I'm also hoping MC meets up with blue team in this forerunner....thing. Halsey is there too...imagine if she was imparted with the librarians memories and became the new librarian?

Lots of potential for good things to happen with this trilogy...lots of potential for bad things.


We shall see...

  • 06.10.2011 11:23 AM PDT
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I read!! and i went back and watched and i completely agree! I saw everyone talking about some other armor and i do recall there being a VII, halsey IS still alive so it's still possible, especially since the forerunner's had their own suit that was 5times more powerful than MCs according to guiltyspark. If we beat the covenant with a suit than its obviously how the forerunners beat a race that was far superior than them. Thing is, i dont hink halsey could become the new librarian, seeing as humans can't live nearly as long as forerunners but that's why they made AIs! just like cortana, halsey obviously used forerunner tech to make her so it's probably why cortana is still alive even after 7yrs. Also there's a 4th stage to rampancy which i stated above, at that state the AI is basically a "person" which is the HOLY GRAIL of AI's. So if Cortana became a "person" she could then become a librarian, maybe even marry MC to make the security officer known as Mjolnir Recon number 54 that plays in marathon!!

That last part i kinda theorized from about 4 different threads that i found.. tell me what you think O.o Mjolnir Recon number 54 may actually be MC in the next suit but who knows!

  • 06.10.2011 11:41 AM PDT